Top idea FT..... as we had the "Cleary is a wanker" chant last year.
WT will become known as the Club With A Voice.....at last.
NRL admits bunker mistake
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WT will become known as the Club With A Voice.....at last.
You cheeky person 🤣
So.....it seems like @TurnStyle is of the female gender and by the sound of things a good lookin one.....getting two whistles "all the time".
TurnStyle
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Well it basically means someone is talking bull💩, so pretty appropriate!
TurnStyle
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Scarily prophetic book hey? Think it was written in 1948 which led to the title.
TurnStyle
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TurnStyle
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Yes, but games decided by rules that don't exist aren't.
TurnStyle
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Well Yuh must be a pretty good lookin dude when Yuh get whistled at all the time.
I'm jealous 😡 😆
tig_prmz
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FULL STATEMENT FROM THE NRL: "The NRL has acknowledged the concerns raised by the Wests Tigers and in response has put forward its interpretation of the rules which enabled the Captain's Challenge to be made and the subsequent decision of the Bunker match official.
"The NRL has already acknowledged that the Bunker official decision of "escort" was incorrect, leading to the erroneous awarding of a penalty in favour of North Queensland Cowboys which ultimately decided the match.
"On the matter of whether the Captain's Challenge was permissible in terms of how the rules were drafted, the NRL and the Wests Tigers expressed differing views and interpretation.
"The NRL is comfortable with the interpretation that was applied but has acknowledged, in light of the concerns raised by the Wests Tigers, that the rule needs to be reviewed at the end of the season to provide more clarity so as to ensure that there is no future misunderstanding as to the intent and application of the rule. Wests Tigers will be consulted as part of the review, together with other interested Clubs and stakeholders.
"The NRL acknowledges the professional and respectful manner in which the representatives of the Wests Tigers have pursued their concerns on behalf of their Club’s members and fans.
"There will be no further consideration in relation to the match of 24 July 2022."
"The NRL has already acknowledged that the Bunker official decision of "escort" was incorrect, leading to the erroneous awarding of a penalty in favour of North Queensland Cowboys which ultimately decided the match.
"On the matter of whether the Captain's Challenge was permissible in terms of how the rules were drafted, the NRL and the Wests Tigers expressed differing views and interpretation.
"The NRL is comfortable with the interpretation that was applied but has acknowledged, in light of the concerns raised by the Wests Tigers, that the rule needs to be reviewed at the end of the season to provide more clarity so as to ensure that there is no future misunderstanding as to the intent and application of the rule. Wests Tigers will be consulted as part of the review, together with other interested Clubs and stakeholders.
"The NRL acknowledges the professional and respectful manner in which the representatives of the Wests Tigers have pursued their concerns on behalf of their Club’s members and fans.
"There will be no further consideration in relation to the match of 24 July 2022."
tig_prmz
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To paraphrase, we made this rule about Captain's Challenge but we didn't exactly know what this rule means. To be honest, we don't know what any of these rules mean. Thank you for playing, we will make another rule to help clear up this rule. When you get screwed over again, plese come back to us.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Buttface
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This was never going anywhere. These knob jockeys we have in charge have just embarrassed us for the last two weeks by going on about it.
Sorry I was incorrect there, they have embarrassed us for the last ten years, it’s just been highlighted by their complete stupidity and lack of awareness of the situation over the last 2 weeks.
Sorry I was incorrect there, they have embarrassed us for the last ten years, it’s just been highlighted by their complete stupidity and lack of awareness of the situation over the last 2 weeks.
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Weak gutted dogs. Pathetic
hank37w
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All I wanted was the audio so everyone could see if there was corruption involved and if that was proved to be the case then the guilty parties could face the consequences.
We already know that there is incompetence involved in the adjudication of games and errors will always occur and some errors have been admitted to in this particular case, but with the level of gambling in sport these days we need to be especially careful that criminal elements are not manipulating the outcome of games.
As far as I am concerned asking or demanding that competition points be re-allocated was never a viable option due to the precedent that this would set, leaving uncertainly about the standing of future match results and the chaos that it could potentially cause.
We already know that there is incompetence involved in the adjudication of games and errors will always occur and some errors have been admitted to in this particular case, but with the level of gambling in sport these days we need to be especially careful that criminal elements are not manipulating the outcome of games.
As far as I am concerned asking or demanding that competition points be re-allocated was never a viable option due to the precedent that this would set, leaving uncertainly about the standing of future match results and the chaos that it could potentially cause.
TheDaBoss
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Ok
Next
Next
tig_prmz
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Why can't the audio be made public? The fact that no one has brought this up, the journos, the club and all those supposed independent media people makes it look very dodgy.
Well the nrl have allowed the result of a game to be altered AFTER the game was technically and correctly over .Their cop out is to say the rules were ambiguous so they can change a game because when the ref blew the whistle at the tackle of Laurie with zero seconds left .AT THAT SECOND the game was over.The worst cop out on record
tig_prmz
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Wests Tigers has decided not to pursue a course of legal action following the club’s loss to North Queensland Cowboys in Round 19 of the Telstra NRL Premiership.
Last Thursday, our Chairman, Mr Lee Hagipantelis, and our CEO, Mr Justin Pascoe, met with the NRL for the purpose of making representations that it needed to intervene to overturn the result of the Wests Tigers and North Queensland Cowboys match played on Sunday, 24 July 2022.
The argument put forward on behalf of the Wests Tigers centred on what was perceived to be the absence of a decision by the referee which was the subject of the Captain's Challenge as well as a determination as to when the game was actually concluded. Robust and earnest discussions were undertaken together with a detailed review of the relevant NRL and International Rules of the game.
It was conceded by the NRL that there was sufficient ambiguity within the rules, as currently drafted, to give support to the argument put forward by the Wests Tigers. Conversely, the ambiguity in the rules also provided support for the argument put forward by the NRL that what occurred on the conclusion of the match was permissible.
As to the conclusion of play, the NRL took comfort in the NRL's Operational Rules which provided that it was the referee who was vested with the sole discretion as to when the game was to conclude at either half-time or full-time following the sounding of the siren. It was also provided in said rules that the referee may extend a match, to either award a penalty or complete the play, and that same again fell within the referee's discretion.
As to the Captain's Challenge, the NRL argued that it was the decision of the referee to stop play that was being challenged. That is, the Cowboys took the point that the decision to stop play was an incorrect one in light of the earlier indiscretion alleged to have occurred, to wit, the alleged escort.
Wests Tigers has taken independent legal advice and in light of same, the Board has determined, albeit reluctantly, not to take any further action so far as the NRL is concerned with a view to overturning the result of the match. The essence of the advice received from Senior Counsel is as follows:
“I agree with your legal analysis in the note to the Board. Especially in noting that there are very cogent arguments available both ways. The difficulty would be in persuading the Supreme Court that:
• despite the ambiguity, there was here a clear case of ultra vires such that the Court could determine the justiciability of that;
• is there any utility in the grant of declaratory relief, when, apart from who ends up in the Top 4, very little else turns on the outcome.”
Litigation is, at best, inherently risky and Wests Tigers is not prepared to commit to what would be speculative litigation particularly in light of the cogent arguments which are available to both parties. Wests Tigers is also cognisant that pursuing the matter through the courts will be a distraction for the NRL, particularly as we approach the end of this season and may therefore not be in the best interests of the game as a whole.
The arguments which have been put forward have, quite properly, identified deficiencies within the Rules which will now receive appropriate attention. On season's end, Wests Tigers, other Clubs and stakeholders, will be consulted for the purpose of re-drafting the rules to remove any ambiguity, to the extent that same is possible, so that there is no opportunity of there being a repeat of the matters of which complaint has been made.
All of us at Wests Tigers have been overwhelmed and humbled by the support that we have received from our members and fans. We readily accept that the decision not to take this matter further may prove to be disappointing to many. We are hopeful that our reasons for same will be understood.
We have made our point to the NRL and made it forcibly. We did so on behalf of our members and fans and gave voice to their legitimate concerns that the outcome of the match was not just nor fair. We extracted a concession from the NRL that the obstruction penalty which was given was erroneous and therefore, by implication, Wests Tigers should have won that match. We know it, everyone knows it. Unfortunately, the history books will not record it that way.
So far as the Wests Tigers is concerned, it is now onwards and upwards. We will put this matter behind us, look forward to finishing out the year on a high note and then turn our attentions to what will no doubt be a very exciting 2023.
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I don't mind this explanation- clearly a lot of thought has been put into this whole thing. There was never going to be a legal case here anyway. However, I am very surprised that the Tigers have not said anything about the referee's audio tape.
Last Thursday, our Chairman, Mr Lee Hagipantelis, and our CEO, Mr Justin Pascoe, met with the NRL for the purpose of making representations that it needed to intervene to overturn the result of the Wests Tigers and North Queensland Cowboys match played on Sunday, 24 July 2022.
The argument put forward on behalf of the Wests Tigers centred on what was perceived to be the absence of a decision by the referee which was the subject of the Captain's Challenge as well as a determination as to when the game was actually concluded. Robust and earnest discussions were undertaken together with a detailed review of the relevant NRL and International Rules of the game.
It was conceded by the NRL that there was sufficient ambiguity within the rules, as currently drafted, to give support to the argument put forward by the Wests Tigers. Conversely, the ambiguity in the rules also provided support for the argument put forward by the NRL that what occurred on the conclusion of the match was permissible.
As to the conclusion of play, the NRL took comfort in the NRL's Operational Rules which provided that it was the referee who was vested with the sole discretion as to when the game was to conclude at either half-time or full-time following the sounding of the siren. It was also provided in said rules that the referee may extend a match, to either award a penalty or complete the play, and that same again fell within the referee's discretion.
As to the Captain's Challenge, the NRL argued that it was the decision of the referee to stop play that was being challenged. That is, the Cowboys took the point that the decision to stop play was an incorrect one in light of the earlier indiscretion alleged to have occurred, to wit, the alleged escort.
Wests Tigers has taken independent legal advice and in light of same, the Board has determined, albeit reluctantly, not to take any further action so far as the NRL is concerned with a view to overturning the result of the match. The essence of the advice received from Senior Counsel is as follows:
“I agree with your legal analysis in the note to the Board. Especially in noting that there are very cogent arguments available both ways. The difficulty would be in persuading the Supreme Court that:
• despite the ambiguity, there was here a clear case of ultra vires such that the Court could determine the justiciability of that;
• is there any utility in the grant of declaratory relief, when, apart from who ends up in the Top 4, very little else turns on the outcome.”
Litigation is, at best, inherently risky and Wests Tigers is not prepared to commit to what would be speculative litigation particularly in light of the cogent arguments which are available to both parties. Wests Tigers is also cognisant that pursuing the matter through the courts will be a distraction for the NRL, particularly as we approach the end of this season and may therefore not be in the best interests of the game as a whole.
The arguments which have been put forward have, quite properly, identified deficiencies within the Rules which will now receive appropriate attention. On season's end, Wests Tigers, other Clubs and stakeholders, will be consulted for the purpose of re-drafting the rules to remove any ambiguity, to the extent that same is possible, so that there is no opportunity of there being a repeat of the matters of which complaint has been made.
All of us at Wests Tigers have been overwhelmed and humbled by the support that we have received from our members and fans. We readily accept that the decision not to take this matter further may prove to be disappointing to many. We are hopeful that our reasons for same will be understood.
We have made our point to the NRL and made it forcibly. We did so on behalf of our members and fans and gave voice to their legitimate concerns that the outcome of the match was not just nor fair. We extracted a concession from the NRL that the obstruction penalty which was given was erroneous and therefore, by implication, Wests Tigers should have won that match. We know it, everyone knows it. Unfortunately, the history books will not record it that way.
So far as the Wests Tigers is concerned, it is now onwards and upwards. We will put this matter behind us, look forward to finishing out the year on a high note and then turn our attentions to what will no doubt be a very exciting 2023.
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I don't mind this explanation- clearly a lot of thought has been put into this whole thing. There was never going to be a legal case here anyway. However, I am very surprised that the Tigers have not said anything about the referee's audio tape.
Buttface
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Rick for PM!!!