WT Ownership, The Board & Senior Management - MEGA Thread
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Madge
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It doesn’t have to be detailed. It’s as plain and simple as that. I don’t understand what would need more explaining. Just because change happened doesn’t mean it is the right decision. The CEO and board make those decisions and the fact that we haven’t made the finals since 2011, says all you need to know.
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unless they invent a time machine the board can’t fix that…
earl
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This shouldn't be in this thread but I don't believe this is the case. I'm not stating you are wrong but there can be many reasons for a lack of success that have nothing at all to do with the CEO or board.
Lot's of sporting teams don't have success for many many years and it has nothing to do with corporate governance.
Is the reason the Australian soccer team haven't won the world cup due to the Australian soccer federation (or whatever it is) having a bad board ? Of course not.
Especially when most get bonuses based on results.
I agree, although I do think some of the criticism aimed at the Board is ill-informed. If a public company continually fails to perform despite corrective action being taken, the first head on the chopping block is the CEO but eventually the shareholders will seek to replace members of the Board usually starting with the Chair.
While WT is not a public company, it's lifeblood is results on the field. Hence the need to put the CEO and Board under close scrutiny.
I still think WT has a poor culture, one nothing like it's predecessors. I remember for most of the period up to 2000, Wests and Balmain were regarded as super-tough teams who might not win a game but, if they lost, you'd know you'd been in a war. Not so today.
The person most responsible for culture in any organisation is the CEO. His / her job is to preserve and strengthen a good culture or to turn around a bad one. Pascoe has failed dismally on this front.
gallagher
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Absolutely agree, I put total responsibility at his feet. My issue largely wirh the board is that they didn't move him in when he cheated the cap and havnt removed him since.
The board is in charge of governance of a company which seeks to ensure the smooth running of a business by making accountability and oversight the core of their workings.
Who do you think would have okayed the wonderful “Tales in Tigertown” or backed the appointment of administrators, coaches and players (and their salaries) over the last 10 fruitless yeas?
Madge
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Again, it does not change the fact they are held responsible for this. I'm sure any player, head coach, business owner or anyone had their time again they could fix the past. No one is not going to make errors but when you're in a position like they are, there needs to be accountability.
diedpretty
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Who said they were good - the argument was as to whether the board is giving 100% towards Wests Tigers and only a person who continually whines about the " love of mediocrity " would suggest that they dont. If you said yea i agree they think they are doing whats best for the club but in my opinion they have stuffed up then thats fine. But this continual "lets sack the board " BS from the same few who don't even bother to research if thats even possible gets a bit boring.
earl
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Firstly I want to state that I'm really not interested in these discussions. I think they are pointless and ill informed and I typically try and avoid these discussions. I have no intentions to continue to post on this topic. I also understand that people get frustrated at how bad our club is and they want an easy simplistic target and solution.
I thank the mods for putting these ideas into this thread where people who are interested in this topic can talk about it and people like myself can avoid the topic.
I assume the board of a small organization like the Tigers okayed the documentary. Personally I had no problems with the documentary and I don't see it as any sort of proof of incompetence of the board.
Players were always going to get paid. My assumption is that the football operations including Pascoe oversee the management of the cap. I think this hasn't been well managed but I would drill into the details of who made those decisions. I think Madge was pretty good in managing the cap whereas Cleary was hopeless.
I think appointing JT as a coach was a poor decision.
I think sacking Madge was a poor decision but I understand the decision.
I hope that Sheens performs significantly better over the next 2-5 years because so far he has been hopeless.
Absolutely, but we want to make sure the right people are accountable.
Off field we have improved significantly. We now have the COE, we are now spending inline with other clubs on support staff, we are strong financially, sponsorship and membership is up.
I understand that all that is fluff without infield results. We seemed on a good path with a head of football who oversees onfield matters, who then answers to the board but then we made him coach so who does he answer to?
We should just be careful we aren’t throwing the baby out with the bath water because as bad as we are onfield we could also but just as bad off it.
balmain boy
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You're wrong. Completely wrong.
The board has failed 10 years in a row in one of their top two objectives. Sure, being profitable is very important (and they've succeeded in this area) but the board are responsible for evaluating the performance of the club as a whole, for setting the direction of the club and who is employed in which specific roles at the club to achieve their vision.
They have made mistakes across these criteria every year. There's no hiding it. The club is the laughing stock of the league, a complete mess, based on their decisions.
Our CEO has failed, our Chairman is an embarrassment. The board have failed.
They've repeatedly made poor decisions, and then back that up with more poor decisions then they need to be accountable for their actions. It's that simple. They have failed their primary stakeholders year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year.
Such failures cannot tolerated by any organisation that aims to be successful.
innsaneink
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Maybe that's why the board must change... Because they've made changes that have made our performances worse
PJ2
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Don't know if that's possible with these [This word has been automatically removed]wits.
Hard to be respectful of them when they've done nothing to deserve it..
tig_prmz
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Am I correct in saying that Pascoe is the CEO of Wests Tigers and has no actual connection to Wests Ashfield. On the other hand, 5 of the 9 the Board Members are appointed by Wests Ashfield, 2 by Balmain and 2 by the NRL?
I have no opinion one way or the other about whether the board is doing a good job .I only question if board members could have a conflict of interest if hypothetically issues arise that put Wests Tigers interests at loggerheads with either Wests Magpies or Balmain interests . Maybe the board always put Wests Tigers first and certainly are not responsible for the dreadful on field performance .
I accept that but the dreadful onfield performance is heavily connected with our very weak roster .Our roster is weak and I suspect Tim and Benji have had little luck improving it .We need to pull off a number of top class signings but it is a fact players are reluctant to come to Concord because of a perceived image that the place has a toxic environment and is a fractured factional organisation. I would think repairing our image is the responsibility of both head of football and the CEO overseen by the chairman and the board
I note the Wests Tigers reserve grade side is called Wests Magpies and I read that one director resigned in protest that the Jersey Flegg was called Wests Tigers and not Wests Magpies .That doesn't help remove the image referred to above.
I accept that but the dreadful onfield performance is heavily connected with our very weak roster .Our roster is weak and I suspect Tim and Benji have had little luck improving it .We need to pull off a number of top class signings but it is a fact players are reluctant to come to Concord because of a perceived image that the place has a toxic environment and is a fractured factional organisation. I would think repairing our image is the responsibility of both head of football and the CEO overseen by the chairman and the board
I note the Wests Tigers reserve grade side is called Wests Magpies and I read that one director resigned in protest that the Jersey Flegg was called Wests Tigers and not Wests Magpies .That doesn't help remove the image referred to above.
hobbo1
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The board has zero football nous at all
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