Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

The performance of Jock and Jackson will once again highlight the stupidity of the Wests Tigers.

Problem he ain't 20 anymore and he isn't the hungry young prop he used to be.
Oh totally agree Spartan ...the only reason we bring him back is to replace Seyfarth ......

You mentioned the blokes leaving us ....how many 6 and 7 's are running around now we'd have back ......hell even Lolohea is starting to look like the Elle MacPherson of the ex WT's halves lol
 
Hastings was a far superior 7. With Api and Hastings we would’ve been a team capable of 8-12th. (Closer to 8)

With Api and Brooks we will be 13th-17th. (Closer to 16)
There is no way on God's green earth the difference between Hastings and Brooks at halfback in an otherwise identical roster is close to eight ladder spots. You could have replaced Cleary with Brooks and the Panthers would still have come top four, and Hastings ain't no Cleary.
 
well we may well get both who knows.
see how Brooks goes behind the 2023 pack before death riding him ok
I am not death riding him, this is not the first time you and others have said this.
I like Brooks, I just can't understand how plenty of others have been moved on in his 9 years here, but he somehow escapes any responsibility for his and the teams poor performances.
I have stated many times, I wish him well and hope he succeeds, but I think it can only happen at another club
 
Fa’agutu will be a development player for 2024.

I believe Dotoi wants to go back to QLD, does have a contract for 2023.
In all @THE_POM updates, this is a mixed bag.

Great about Fa'agutu & hopefully the club is doing what it can to help Dudley Dotoi settle in Sydney (if he has returned for pre-season training yet). Probably the best of our SG Ball backs from last season, well the fastest with the most x-factor anyway.
 
Go support parramatta then if you like Moses so much
or
Go support Newcastle if you like Hastings so much

Fact is at present Brooks is here playing for wests tigers for 2023 and I would like to see wests tigers go well and make the semis

hopefully we get Moses for 2024 but one thing is for sure Hastings is not here
You are a real piece of work, I have supported Wests/Wests Tigers longer than you have been alive, you really have no idea what you are talking about with statements like that, the forum was a much better place until people like you dragged their sorry butt in
 
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Tigers are POTENTIALLY putting one of the more dominant forward packs on the field in 2023 at this stage. Klemmer & Utoikamanu will almost certainly increase our effectiveness in the middle of the field. Really looking forward to watching Papali'i running the lines that Garner & Tuilagi ran off Luke Brooks out wide.

I was never really happy with Hastings @ #13. I felt like it really unbalanced our forwards, particularly as we were often run over by the opposition. Having Joffa/Matamua or Nathan Brown at #13 toughens us up. I still believe the NRL is a game of momentum, won through the middle. And we lost momentum in the middle almost ritually.

I've said a number of times that Brooks is the most 'complete' of the Tigers halves last season. The team DESPERATELY requires a solid kicking game. Hastings had an at best average kicking game. Doueihi is still developing his game and really only has that bomb. Brooks is more rounded. That said, it's at best an 'above average' skill set for him. He needs a compliment at #6. Laurie sounds like he'll get a shot. But he seems more like a running option. Api offers direction. Staines isn't a kicker. That general field kicking game is a problem. If Brooks can refine that- he IS the best option at 7 in the club.

I have no problem with Woods coming back. Not much doubt that the club has always meant a lot to him. And you can critisise his defence rightly, he's not being brought in for that. He gains metres, he offloads at will & he contributes to momentum.

The Tigers will win games if they can wrestle the flow of the game away from the opposition. Having a dominant forward pack is the absolute key.
Really?
If Brooks was the most ‘complete’ halfback this past year then why was he moved from the position?
Also don’t recall Hastings getting run over too often by the opposition when playing at 13 … more like some of his arm grabbing, lazy teammates.
And seriously… you are happy for Dora (who offers zilch) to come back at the expense of a top 30 spot for Hastings?
 
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Go support parramatta then if you like Moses so much
or
Go support Newcastle if you like Hastings so much

Fact is at present Brooks is here playing for wests tigers for 2023 and I would like to see wests tigers go well and make the semis

hopefully we get Moses for 2024 but one thing is for sure Hastings is not here
We all want the Tigers to do well… only thing is we can see the common denominator why we haven’t for the past 9 years … Mr Luke Brooks.
 
Really?
If Brooks was the most ‘complete’ halfback this past year then why was he moved from the position?
Also don’t recall Hastings getting run over too often by the opposition when playing at 13 … more like some of his arm grabbing, lazy teammates.
And seriously… you are happy for Dora (who offers zilch) to come back at the expense of a top 30 spot for Hastings?
I dont think wanting Woods is purely a player decision. Woods would be on say $200 and Hastings $700. Its a salary cap decision
 
There doesn't no seem to be a lot of quality halves juniors coming through the systems over the last couple of years.

Half Back is probably the most important position on the field.

Are Junior coaches and systems not teaching juniors how to be quality half backs?

Hopefully WT have a decent half back coming through the junior ranks and is signed up long term.

Finally, with all the quality signings plus the duds that were let go I am excited about what 2023 and 2024 will bring. 2023 will be a rebuilding stage as players adapt to new players and a more attacking mind set. 2024 is where I see WT competing with the big boys.
 
There doesn't no seem to be a lot of quality halves juniors coming through the systems over the last couple of years.

Half Back is probably the most important position on the field.

Are Junior coaches and systems not teaching juniors how to be quality half backs?

Hopefully WT have a decent half back coming through the junior ranks and is signed up long term.

Finally, with all the quality signings plus the duds that were let go I am excited about what 2023 and 2024 will bring. 2023 will be a rebuilding stage as players adapt to new players and a more attacking mind set. 2024 is where I see WT competing with the big boys.
Conti, Isdale and Large are three players in our junior pathways worth noting. 2 x 7s and 1 x 5/8.
 
Klemmer undoubtedly improves our weak forward pack. It was very poor this season and we're not anywhere near competitive there at the moment. He's not a rep level player anymore, but I hope he can provide what Tamou didn't and bring leadership and mettle to the forward pack. To that end, Klemmer is a far more productive forward than Tamou was when he came to us, so I'm hopeful he'll be valuable to us.

Unfortunately I think Hastings did a lot to improve our pack when he moved there. Line speed and tackling from him were strong and he got forwards on the front foot and was threatening in his runs as well as creating space for Doueihi and Brooks. I'm disappointed this wasn't given a season to see if this works going forward as it gave us a point of difference to the rest of the league. I don't see someone replacing Hastings.

Hastings has a limited kicking game and I think that is far more of an issue than his lack of pace in terms of playing halfback going forward. I think he will improve Newcastle, but I also wonder whether he won't just end up playing lock for them there. If he left because he wanted to play halfback I think we should have talked him round or at least got him to play for us this year in the hope that seeing this style enables someone to step into the role. I'm particularly disappointed because of how successful Yeo and Api were together, and you could see a similar combination possible between these two.

So, I can see this being good for us but I think Hastings was not a good player to send and I think, given how toxic the relationship appeared between Klemmer and the Knights, we would have been able to get him without giving up anything, or at least anything as valuable as Hastings. To me this is another poor move by our club.
 

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