Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Magpie_Magic]

Just a friendly observation re Russia and Anti-Nazism.

We see Nazi's as the people who killed the Jews. We know this, we see the concentration camps and get taught this in history, etc etc.

Nazi's though believe in Racial superiority. The Slavic people (of Russia, Ukraine and other states) were regarded as subhuman, as were the jews, Gypses and other races*

A lesser known fact is that Stalin too rounded up the Jews in Gulags and persecuted them as well. Naturally that is NOT taught in Russian history, along with the Holocaust. Russians never learned about it

Because the Nazi's killed lots of Russians and yes were brutal to civilians... in Russia to be a Nazi you are Anti-Russian. Not Anti-Jew.


This is how Zelenskii is regarded by Russians as being a Nazi. The perspective from Russia is totally different. When Russians say they are hunting Nazi's in Ukraine, they mean something totally different to what the west understands of Nazi's.


*Unsure on the Irish how Nazi's regarded them. The American KKK regarded the Irish as subhuman just above the Jews, yet an inferior race.

Both the Russian and western perspectives are correct and take into account their personal respective viewpoints emanating from their personal experiences.

Exclusive of students of history most in the West outside Europe believe WW2 was all about the atrocities against Jews ..............with the U.S. saving the world.

Hardly anybody knows the Soviets lost 26 million dead of which 14 million were civilians.

Who knows that along with six million Jews exterminated in those hideos gas chambers another 4 million Soviet POWs were also gassed.

Few also know that the Soviets proportionately took the lead role in winning WW2. They would have defeated all comers a couple of years later. The U.S. sped up the process and shared in the peace.

Even less know that the Japanese only finally decided to accept terms not following the disgusting atomic attacks....But after their army was annihilated in Manchuria by the Soviets in 10 days.

So naturally they would promote their view given their contribution and the atrocities committed against them.

 

[Yossarian]

Both the Russian and western perspectives are correct and take into account their personal respective viewpoints emanating from their personal experiences.

Exclusive of students of history most in the West outside Europe believe WW2 was all about the atrocities against Jews ..............with the U.S. saving the world.

Hardly anybody knows the Soviets lost 26 million dead of which 14 million were civilians.

Who knows that along with six million Jews exterminated in those hideos gas chambers another 4 million Soviet POWs were also gassed.

Few also know that the Soviets proportionately took the lead role in winning WW2. They would have defeated all comers a couple of years later. The U.S. sped up the process and shared in the peace.

Even less know that the Japanese only finally decided to accept terms not following the disgusting atomic attacks....But after their army was annihilated in Manchuria by the Soviets in 10 days.

So naturally they would promote their view given their contribution and the atrocities committed against them.

Agree with most of this but the idea that the USSR was capable of defeating the USA and its allies is speculative at best.

I would also say it was a combination of the Soviet declaration of war and the atomic bombings that forced Japan's hand.

I'm not sure too many people disagree with the assessment that WW2 was costly for the Soviet people or the major role the Soviets played in the defeat of Germany.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Agree with most of this but the idea that the USSR was capable of defeating the USA and its allies is speculative at best.

Was not thinking about the U.S. and allies only Axis powers.

I would also say it was a combination of the Soviet declaration of war and the atomic bombings that forced Japan's hand.

I'm not sure too many people disagree with the assessment that WW2 was costly for the Soviet people or the major role the Soviets played in the defeat of Germany.

Yes,
But few know about it.

 

[hugh1954]

I notice the deafening silence from all the far lefties this week about the hard fact, the evidence, the undeniable truth with receipts that the Biden/Democrats campaign completely interfered with the 2020 election. Proving so many conspiracy facts.

Crickets from the left.

Total vindication to the right wing.

Dont like talking about things that are right in their faces, lets not mention real things are going on , just like the fake news media in U.S.

 

[jadtiger]

Was not thinking about the U.S. and allies only Axis powers.

Yes,
But few know about it.

It is a fact that 80% of all german military deaths in WW2 were on the Eastern Front (from official german records) and yet the figure pales in significance compared to the total loss of life suffered by the Soviet military.When you also factor in the civilian casualties suffered it highlights the obscenity of war

 

[Magpie_Magic]

It is a fact that 80% of all german military deaths in WW2 were on the Eastern Front (from official german records) and yet the figure pales in significance compared to the total loss of life suffered by the Soviet military.When you also factor in the civilian casualties suffered it highlights the obscenity of war

Even today, the Germans when speaking about WW2 really only talk about Russia. The bombings, Normandy Italy and North Africa barely get a mention.

The Germans had 80% of their military pointed against the Soviets so without the Soviet contribution say the Germans were facing west DDay would have been impossible logistically given the allies would have needed a force of minimum 12 million given that Eisenhower said "we need 3 to 1 of everything against the Germans to have any hope".

The Russians are typically slow to get organised in many ways Including war but learn quickly and adapt. Most of their casualties were pre Kursk. Operation Bagration culminating in the defeat of Kluge's Army Group Centre was a very complex masterful military operation.

Von Braun would've had the A10 ballistic missile ready by 1947 probably loaded with nuclear material.

The German military was one smart outfit .

 

[Tucker]

Be careful Winston,some on here cant handle the truth...I still cant believe that Biden who is so incompetent at running his country can give so much money to Ukraine where he has business interests,but his people are suffering from high costs of living,unemployment,homelessness and illegals crossing the border...
Wouldnt you think that a so called ELECTED leader of his country would place it first and foremost rather than support the most corrupt country on the planet...

Mate, I have no doubt Biden puts his undies on backwards.

 

[Winston Churchill]

It is a fact that 80% of all german military deaths in WW2 were on the Eastern Front (from official german records) and yet the figure pales in significance compared to the total loss of life suffered by the Soviet military.When you also factor in the civilian casualties suffered it highlights the obscenity of war

One of the best videos ever published on YouTube

 

[Winston Churchill]

Mate, I have no doubt Biden puts his undies on backwards.

*nappy

 

[Winston Churchill]

@TrueTiger @Tucker @Carefactor @Magpie_Magic @InBenjiWeTrust

Fellas, this video will blow your minds. Is a long watch, but a must watch. Most stuff we already knew about but the left love to call you a conspiracy nut if you dare bring any of this up. Its all tied up beautifully with a bow on top in this video. This lady being interviewed must have some hell of a death wish.

 

[jadtiger]

One of the best videos ever published on YouTube

Yes i have watched it a couple of times and it portrays the whole abomination of war in something so graphicaly simple yet so powerful.It is compelling and should be shown in every school in the world once a year

 

[Tucker]

@TrueTiger @Tucker @Carefactor @Magpie_Magic @InBenjiWeTrust

Fellas, this video will blow your minds. Is a long watch, but a must watch. Most stuff we already knew about but the left love to call you a conspiracy nut if you dare bring any of this up. Its all tied up beautifully with a bow on top in this video. This lady being interviewed must have some hell of a death wish.

Human beings are freaks. Using their sexual habits/proclivities to entrap and blackmail them makes all the sense in the world.
It wouldn’t surprise me if that’s why all those sexual habits that have often been spurned by the mainstream are currently being normalised.

 

[Winston Churchill]

LTA fined £820,000 for ban on Russian players

The Lawn Tennis Association is fined £820,000 by the ATP for banning Russian and Belarusian players from this summer's grass-court events.

www.bbc.com

Keep politics out of sport, as the saying goes, "go woke, go broke'n brain"

 

[TrueTiger]

Well Winston this vi

@TrueTiger @Tucker @Carefactor @Magpie_Magic @InBenjiWeTrust

Fellas, this video will blow your minds. Is a long watch, but a must watch. Most stuff we already knew about but the left love to call you a conspiracy nut if you dare bring any of this up. Its all tied up beautifully with a bow on top in this video. This lady being interviewed must have some hell of a death wish.

Well Winston,it just goes to show that these people only care for themselves,once they have money,power and prestige they live in a world of their own full of deciet,lies and ungodly behaviour..To think we the people elect some of them to protect and care for us and our country,end up being the very filth we are supposed to be protected from..
I really dont care what side of politics anyone follows,once any of them interfere with and sodomise children,they become the lowest scum of the earth and God has a means of dealing with them in the end...Im not preaching religion,Im stating what to me should be a decent human being,if any child was in dire need or at risk of being hurt I would go to any length to make sure I could help protect the child from immeasurable pain,whether that child was mine or somebody elses..
Im also not putting all of them in the one basket,some politicians try to do the right thing,however the corruption is long and deep,its really up to us to expose them and not comply to any of their garbage demands they expect us to...GOVT is not our friend,to many people blinded by what they have grown to see as normal is only a manipulation by the very people we expect to do the right thing by us..I have woken up a long time ago,I was privy to meeting Daryl Maguire and thought he was a good person looking out for his community,it shocked me to find out what a poor judge of character I really was..Him and Gladys are both just there to feather their own nests and we are a means by which they can get wealthier..I could go on longer but I think you get my point,Im still a person who will vote on whoever is going to do the right thing by us and the counrty no matter what side there from...once they get there they change and we vote for people we really know nothing about until they are in the public view....cheers mate...

 

[Curly_Tiger]

@TrueTiger @Tucker @Carefactor @Magpie_Magic @InBenjiWeTrust

Fellas, this video will blow your minds. Is a long watch, but a must watch. Most stuff we already knew about but the left love to call you a conspiracy nut if you dare bring any of this up. Its all tied up beautifully with a bow on top in this video. This lady being interviewed must have some hell of a death wish.

Whitney Webb does great work
Check it all out at
unlimitedhangout.com

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Majority of Victorian voting public evidently disagree ma'am!

The conservatives hate Dan Andrews so much. It is great we have someone like him in State politics. I will never forget the looks on Peta Credlin and Jane Humes' faces when the former Vic Labor minister called the State election result very early.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I notice the deafening silence from all the far lefties this week about the hard fact, the evidence, the undeniable truth with receipts that the Biden/Democrats campaign completely interfered with the 2020 election. Proving so many conspiracy facts.

Crickets from the left.

Total vindication to the right wing.

Anyone including moderates would appear far left from your perch on the ultra right wing.

 

[Winston Churchill]

Anyone including moderates would appear far left from your perch on the ultra right wing.

Sick burn, take 2 or 3 days to come up with that? Nice attempt at trying to deflect while ad homing. That's play 3 from the lefty playbook. In your attempt to bring the sick burns it doesn't go unnoticed the silence about the question posed of the now proven election interference from your ilk. Surprising that, but not really. The shame and embarrassment you must be feeling.

 

[Winston Churchill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1601395696447688704

 

[Cobarcats]

Sick burn, take 2 or 3 days to come up with that? Nice attempt at trying to deflect while ad homing. That's play 3 from the lefty playbook. In your attempt to bring the sick burns it doesn't go unnoticed the silence about the question posed of the now proven election interference from your ilk. Surprising that, but not really. The shame and embarrassment you must be feeling.

Are you on some sort of commission Winston 🙂