Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[hank37w]

I've always had the desire to forgo 500k, I guess I can only dream that one day I may be so lucky.

🤣🤣

 

[Spartan117]

do people not yet realise that TPA’s have nothing to do with the club, it’s organised by agents or the player themselves and can no way shape or form be linked to the club, even if the person is just a mate of a ceo you cannot do it

Respectfully, this is very naive POV

I know from a FG player himself that there is a number of clubs including his own that will forego sponsorship money and re route it via TPVs at the discreet direction of the club.

Not arranged by the club on the surface.

 

[crazycat]

This would stop the situation you are talking about. All offers are made public & registered with the NRL. .The Roosters can only withdraw the offer IF the player has not accepted it. Say Tigers offer Tedesco 1.2 M . That is now his market value. Before Tedesco accepts it, the Tiger sign RTS & withdraw the offer. The market value is now determined by the next lowest offer (say Parra offered 1 m )that is now Tedescos market price. But if Tedesco has agreed to terms with the Tigers BEFORE they withdrew the offer, , The tigers are contractually bound to honour that offer. It is not too disimilar to how things work now except it is transparent cause they all have to make public bids.

It's not a bad idea, but boy it could make some lives weird.

"Guess what, New Zealand is your highest bid!"

 

[Champ1]

I dont understand how this changes what i've said. Rooster have 700K available in their cap. Tedesco wants to play for them for 700K but Tigers offer 1.2M but Tedesco would rather play at the Roosters. This market value system leaves no outcome where Tedesco can get his desired outcome?

Clearly, if the roosters have only 700 k on their cap, Tedesco wasnt a priority. If he was, they would make sure they signed him first. In other words , they simply cant afford him . Thats what the cap does. Even out talent(or at least its supposed to). And Greg, im sure you are not that naive to believe that Tedesco is playing for "800k" now just for the love of the Rorters.

 

[Champ1]

It's not a bad idea, but boy it could make some lives weird.

"Guess what, New Zealand is your highest bid!"

Yep crazy ,but the player doesnt have to sign with the club with the next highest bid.EG if Tedesco wanted to sign with the Rorters , he still could however it would cost the Rorters 1m. , because thats the amount New Zealand were willing to pay. It stops the Rorters making up there own "value" & paying the rest under the table.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Tristan Sailor looks to be getting a train and trial with Brisbane

 

[stevied]

Well the market would set the value. like i said, if the Tigers offered 1.2 & then withdrew it before the offer was accepted, the next higest offer would become his market value..(say Parra offered 1M ) . Now Tesdcos market value is 1 M( cause the Tigers withdrew their offer before Tedesco accepted it)

Sounds good to me. There must be a point where a club is entitled to withdraw their offer in the instance they're being played, need to move on or they find a more suitable player. Do you think there should be a proviso, that if they're home grown, they can choose to stay for less money? I guess the whole point is to stop the topping up of salaries via TPAs.

 

[stevied]

I dont understand how this changes what i've said. Rooster have 700K available in their cap. Tedesco wants to play for them for 700K but Tigers offer 1.2M but Tedesco would rather play at the Roosters. This market value system leaves no outcome where Tedesco can get his desired outcome?

Clearly, if the roosters have only 700 k on their cap, Tedesco wasnt a priority. If he was, they would make sure they signed him first. In other words , they simply cant afford him . Thats what the cap does. Even out talent(or at least its supposed to). And Greg, im sure you are not that naive to believe that Tedesco is playing for "800k" now just for the love of the Rorters.

That's what the cap is meant to do.....I think Greg was merely surmising Champ.

 

[liltiger]

Apparently Adrian Morley owns 6 pubs in The old dart

Wouldn't surprise me, there's so much that clubs can do to circumvent the cap. The NRL know and are powerless to stop it. They know only 2 - 3 clubs are within the spirit of the salary cap, if they penalised the rest we wouldn't have a comp.

 

[liltiger]

Tristan Sailor looks to be getting a train and trial with Brisbane

Cobbo replacement maybe. 🤪

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Cobbo replacement maybe. 🤪

hopefully, more likely than a Ken M swap lol

 

[rusted-on]

Well the market would set the value. like i said, if the Tigers offered 1.2 & then withdrew it before the offer was accepted, the next higest offer would become his market value..(say Parra offered 1M ) . Now Tesdcos market value is 1 M( cause the Tigers withdrew their offer before Tedesco accepted it)

What is to stop clubs tendering bogus offers, only to withdraw them, raising the price for anyone else who wants to sign said player. Sounds like a system that could be easily abused IMO

 

[finnzo]

Tristan Sailor looks to be getting a train and trial with Brisbane

Did he end up been proven innocent? They were some pretty heavy charges laid on him

 

[gregjm87]

Clearly, if the roosters have only 700 k on their cap, Tedesco wasnt a priority. If he was, they would make sure they signed him first. In other words , they simply cant afford him . Thats what the cap does. Even out talent(or at least its supposed to). And Greg, im sure you are not that naive to believe that Tedesco is playing for "800k" now just for the love of the Rorters.

It's not about what I believe happens. It is why this is still a restraint

 

[Tucker]

TPAs are one of only three deciding factors that lead to premierships.
The others being coaching setups and injury/rehab capabilities.
They are that important.
Any club who doesn’t play the TPA game effectively results in extremely infrequent finals appearances.

 

[Demps]

HAHAHA!!!

Yeah
- Quality of players has absolutely nothing to do with winning the competition.....

+ a bit of luck 🔮

 

[supercoach]

HAHAHA!!!

Yeah
- Quality of players has absolutely nothing to do with winning the competition.....

You need TPA’s to attract quality players I guess

 

[Champ1]

What is to stop clubs tendering bogus offers, only to withdraw them, raising the price for anyone else who wants to sign said player. Sounds like a system that could be easily abused IMO

All offers are made public & registered with the NRL. .The Roosters can only withdraw the offer IF the player has not accepted it. Say Tigers offer Tedesco 1.2 M . That is now his market value. Before Tedesco accepts it, the Tiger sign RTS & withdraw the offer. The market value is now determined by the next highest offer (say Parra offered 1 m )that is now Tedescos market price. But if Tedesco has agreed to terms with the Tigers BEFORE they withdrew the offer, , The tigers are contractually bound to honour that offer. It is not too disimilar to how things work now except it is transparent cause they all have to make public bids.
Also bogus offers would be frought with danger as once the offer is registered , it cannot be withdrawn if the player has accepted it. EG say the Tigers want to up the price of Brandon Smith on the Rorters Tigs offer 2m . If Smith accepts this , the Tigers now have to honor it.

 

[Champ1]

Sounds good to me. There must be a point where a club is entitled to withdraw their offer in the instance they're being played, need to move on or they find a more suitable player. Do you think there should be a proviso, that if they're home grown, they can choose to stay for less money? I guess the whole point is to stop the topping up of salaries via TPAs.

Yes, the club could withdraw their offer at any time before it is accepted by the player. Also there should be a percentage discount for local juniors & that percentage gradually increases the longer a players stays. This would stop clubs like the Rorters pilfering young players from Penrith, Tigs & Souths juniors and make them develop their own.

 

[Champ1]

It's not about what I believe happens. It is why this is still a restraint

Its not a restraint. In this example it is simply supply & demand. The Rorters dont have a contract for Tedsco at 1.2 M. He might want to sign with them but he cant cause they simply dont have the money in their cap & want to spend their money eIsewhere(eg Sualli of Manu) I might want to buy a new BMW but i cant afford it. I think i should be able to get it for $1000 but the market dictates its worth $500 000. Its not a restraint of trade because the market has set the value.