innsaneink
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I dunno mate.... As someone else stated it ls not a funeral, they're all big boys there they can handle it
WT Ownership, The Board & Senior Management - MEGA Thread
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diedpretty
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Karma - isn't this what Hagipantellis did to the Wests Magpies chairman when he accused the guy of being a traitor and saying he had no right to be associated with the club on SEN. Left him hanging with no way of reply. Little sook doesn't like it when its him who is hung out to dry.
innsaneink
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Truth hurts ay Lee?
Run boy... run
Run boy... run
Eternal Tiger
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Business focussed?....they hire and fire Coach's and Recruitment Managers. They're all over the Football Dept, which is why we need their removal if we want to be successful.“If Mr Hagipantelis had a problem with what I said he could have come and talked to me,”
And created a scene at a charity fundraiser.
“I did coach the Balmain Tigers for nothing.
30 years ago. Different era, different club. Nice casual reference to doing it pro bono. Big noting himself much?
“At the end of the day, there’s been so many changes at the club, and with every change requires a drain on the resources of the club. Millions of dollars.
“People are sacked and they are paid out early.
I thought the club is profitable?
“Then the people they’ve appointed fail and they want to blame someone else.
Like the coach?
“The punter out there wants scores on the board.
Which they've tried to by sacking Maguire.
“You can’t win every game, I concede that, but he’s in charge of what is a mess.
“He said we were going to get better this year and they haven’t.
when? i highly doubt he would speak in absolutes about something he has no control over: winning games. Would very likely be feel good rhetoric about "how excited" they are about the season ahead, etc.
“If it was a company like BHP they’d be gone.”
Rubbish. A company like BHP is responsible solely to make a profit for its shareholders. No one cares if they've exported more tonnes of ore this year than last: they care about making money off their investment.
In this sense, if the Wests Tigers was a publicly listed company the shareholders would give 2 shits about winning games. They'd care about their returns on their investment.
Yes, a ridiculous defence of the club, because a rugby league club is not BHP and this comparison is ridiculous.
In any business or sporting club people have different jobs because it takes people with expertise in different areas to be successful.
Isn't the board and administrative side of the club responsible for it's sustainability and performance in a commercial sense?
Isn't it the coaching and recruitment people's jobs to recruit players and then have them perform?
Then ultimately, it is the players who lose the games, which is the face of the club the public sees, and therefore brands the club as a failure.
Hangipantelis and Pascoe may be complete knobs, and from what I read here I suspect they are.
But I consider their roles business focused, and as a business it's hard to refute they are succeeding when the club rates at a net worth of $13.3M.
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diedpretty
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Former Balmain coach - absolutely nothing to do with Wests Tigers. It was pretty ordinary from Sampson - why didn't she ask him about how bulldogs are going - he has as much to do with them as WT. Having said that it was good to see Hagi's reaction to it. Shows what a weak individual he is.
diedpretty
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Nothing to do with that - its a fact that Jones never has and never will have anything to do with WT. You seem to be the one stuck in the past holding him up as a "tigers" coach.
twentyforty
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I could be way off the mark here, but I’m starting to form this view of the board being impotent and under the control of Hagipantelis and Pascoe.
It looks awfully like the board is stacked with followers, allowing the CEO and Chair to run amok, making decisions which are in their own political interest, and not necessarily in the interest of the club. Far too many times we hear of a nameless committee making the decisions.
When there is no clarity or transparency in the decision making process, there’s no accountability.
It looks awfully like the board is stacked with followers, allowing the CEO and Chair to run amok, making decisions which are in their own political interest, and not necessarily in the interest of the club. Far too many times we hear of a nameless committee making the decisions.
When there is no clarity or transparency in the decision making process, there’s no accountability.
Same could be said for any ex magpies or Balmain players then.
They have nothing to do with Wt's.
Are they stuck in the past?
Management spout that they have a plan to raise Wests Tigers out of the doldrums. They hire three people from the golden year of Wests Tigers as coaches and tell the punters to have faith. Like dopes, we buy into their 'vision'.
Inexplicably they trade away a halfback that can lead. They undermine the remaining halfback by shopping around all over the place for a halfback, while reassuring the one they have that they really want to keep him. Then they lowball an offer to him to keep him here. As a result that half leaves, leaving us without a half for next year. They trade away a good forward that wants to stay and is valued by his team mates and then don't replace him, leaving us short. And although they stay out of football decisions, they then undermine the coaches by hiring a recruitment manager without reference to them.
Is there any reason for anyone in the playing group or coaching staff to trust Management? Is there any reason for the playing group to believe in the (spin) plan, or for that matter even to believe there is one?
This management has done just about everything in its power to destabilise the club environment for the football team. If any of us believed they were intelligent enough, it could almost be seen as deliberate, however my guess it is simply gross incompetence.
I call BS on their plan.
As much as i see Sheens as a large part of the problem he has far more right to be in the decision making than either Lee or Pascoe when it comes down to player retention and signing.Those 2 other imbeciles and the entire board should just concentrate on keeping the club financial and concentrating on the general direction we as a club can improve.If they all died tomorrow it is a day too late imho.
For the few people who may play Warhammer our heirachy are what i would describe as the followers of Nurgle and just as likeable (hehe)
TurnStyle
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You'd hope they took the advice of someone more in the know and impartial when it comes to hiring and firing coaches and recruitment managers.
But then, they obviously haven't done that!
I've acknowledged I didn't realise just how involved they are on the game aspects of the club; they should definitely stay out of it and let people do their job.
To clarify, these guys SHOULD stick to the business side of the running of the club.
Again, I'm gaining a better understanding of why people are upset with them - I know in my job it p1sses me off having project managers who just seem to want their stamp on everything.
I doubt I'm going to change my mind on the time and place this was done though.
TurnStyle
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Doesn't make it right.
Halbrowne61
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A bit tired now Bula. Can I suggest you get some new material.
TurnStyle
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Disagree with your first point. If a team gets 40 people to every game, has 60 members and 100 supporters who buy merchandise I doubt they'd be too successful as a club.
It certainly helps a lot, but there's moreto it than simply winning games.
You could easily be successful as a team and a failure as a club.
Saying all clubs rely on NRL funding kind of contradicts yourself.
tig_prmz
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Anyone got the actual transcript of this?
My understanding is that Sampson just asked a routine question just like she'd ask Siro, Blocker, Skando etc about the club. Unless anyone has the actual question she asked, you shouldn't be pinning anything on her.
Jones is the prick who turned the event into this. Lee is also a prick but smaller prick for walking out. Difference though is Jones represents no one whereas Lee represents us.
What a shitshow.
My understanding is that Sampson just asked a routine question just like she'd ask Siro, Blocker, Skando etc about the club. Unless anyone has the actual question she asked, you shouldn't be pinning anything on her.
Jones is the prick who turned the event into this. Lee is also a prick but smaller prick for walking out. Difference though is Jones represents no one whereas Lee represents us.
What a shitshow.
It wouldn't surprise me that Hagipantelis is holding court with the threat of taking his sponsorship and walking, and claiming that the club will not be able to get a major sponsor that would put in as much as he does, and it will leave the club financially struggling. Then Pascoe is supporting this case and adding fuel to the fire.
Halbrowne61
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I’ve developed a similar opinion of late, puts us over a barrel doesn’t it !
TurnStyle
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Fallen Angel
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There is a real stench of arrogance amongst the club’s hierarchy. Sheens has been an arrogant fossil with a chip on his shoulder since Adam was a boy. And the Chairman, i don’t even know where to begin. Comes across as the floggiest flog to ever flog. Remember the time he disregarded supporters who weren’t members? It’s embarrassing that he is connected to the club. I’d rather Alan Jones any day of the week. Twice on Sundays
Halbrowne61
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Nothing too contentious there, Jones is, and always has been an egomaniac so I’m letting the free coaching through to the keeper.
What else is not exactly what everyone is thinking ?
For my 20 cents worth I think that Sheens original role as GM of football was a great move. Of course now the coaching aspect has come in he has no one overseeing him.
Part of the solution would be to make Benji coach in 24, revert Sheens back to GM of football and conduct the role as it should be.
The board would then have 2 major management reviews each year, Pascoe for finance/admin and Sheens for football. No necessity for the board to be involved more than that.
If either are not meeting their objectives then remove and recruit. Same applies further down the line eg if Pascoe had an accountant or Sheens had a coach, who weren’t meeting their objectives then remove and recruit.
What we dont know is the actual details of this coaching agreement. Yes, I know broad based it’s a 3 year deal for Benji but based on what criteria ? Improved table position, appropriate recruitment ?
It’s all a little bit cosy don’t you think? And has Sheens formally announced if he is going to stay in as GM of football or not ? My
Suggestion would be, if not, then we start recruiting now for a replacement and give Tim a quiet office somewhere or buy him and his family a nice ticket back to the Uk.
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