Aidan Sezer #279

batboy said:
Neck up Parrot....
We stuck with your man Doueihi - Least there's someone to carry the Radio and run the Oranges for another season next year...
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Don't know if you've mistaken me for someone else but Doueihi was never 'my man'. I for one am glad the toxic relationship of Brooks trying to be a organising half is over. Hey, if it cheers you up you can go on YouTube & watch Brooks highlights so you can still live in your Brooks fantasy land.
 
batboy said:
Except he's not a game managing 7, that seems to have been invented overnight....
He's a 5/8, Pretty much always been a 5/8.
Played with the 7 on his back at Raiders with a dominant 9 and dominant 6...
And is doing it in a mickey mouse comp - But he's a 6... Not a 7.
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Look I agree, he is a runner and a kicker and was better suited to a 5/8. But you can’t dispute he is a really good kicker.
Benji slowed down and learnt to organise away from his earlier days of just playing off the back of what Robbie created, what we saw was probably his best seasons in years right at the back end of his career.
Sezer, strong defender, still has a running presence and has a passing game. With all his experience of playing in the halves you don’t think he can get our team around the field?
One of the most important assets you need as an organiser is the know how of when to kick and the ability to execute it.
Mitch Moses is a runner but with his strong kicking game he can get the team around the park.
Not in anyway comparing Sezer’s ability to Moses, just implying that if your a kicking half your 90% of the way there.
 
batboy said:
Not good for 600k....
Was easy for him to stand out in a shite team, Easy for him to fade into the team where he is...
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But much better than what we have now. I would have kept him for around 600 short term regardless of the team dynamics. They are grown men and professionals so coaches should be able to manage that. However we couldn’t compete with a stupid 900 offer.

That’s the halfback market atm.
 
Kiama 2533 said:
Exactly my point give him a go. It might work it might not. But if you don’t try something different then nothing will change
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Agreed. The club signing anyone in the halves is a step forward. I hope we get Fainu as well even though he could just as easily be a bust. We need options in the halves.
 
batboy said:
Nope....
Benji was also 'asked' to do it at the Tigers, Many times - In his Prime...
He wasn't a 7, And couldn't do it....
(Wasn't even a consistent 6 to be fair)

In his 22 Souths games he started at 7 once (4 times at 6, Once at 9)
I also remember a game where he was on the bench and didn't even get on.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not like the idiots here that have a need for an 80's model General type 7 Kenny / Sterling type combination like a lot of the folk here....
Wests Tigers best years outside 05 were with a dominant 6, Secondary 6 at 7 and a dominant 9.

There's also been plenty of 6/7's over the last few years that can slide between either Jersey and do pretty much the exact same job on either side of the field.
James Maloney, Luke Keary - Jahrome Hughes is a 5/8 with a Dominant Boot.... NICHO!!
The only difference is usually the dominant kicking game - There are plenty that can do both roles.
I can promise you the coaches want the same skills in both...

Halves are Halves... As long as one has a dominant boot - It's fine...
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Your saying the right things.

I just want to pointout:
2005, the halves were Scott Prince and Benji.
While Prince isn't a Dominant style half. He can organise a play and make an attack happen. I recall one origin where Cronk was injured and Prince came in. QLD was lost, Prince lead Thurston and the attack (from 7).

2011(?) Robert Lui came in as Halfback with Benji at 6. We made the quarter finals and lost to an incredible Bulldogs side who lost to an incredible Souths side.

IMHO those were the two years our team has done the best. I wouldn't say either Lui or Prince are a Cooper Cronk or Townsend style Organisational half. But they were more then just 5/8's and could organise our team. Other then Wakeham and Mead(ancient) who both are fringe graders, Lui and Prince would be our most dominant halves.

Still I like a team with 2 5/8's as you describe. You don't know what's going to happen and it is very exciting.
 
crazycat said:
I know Demps is a Doueihi fan but the club should have punted either Doueihi or Brooks and stuck with a solid halves pair.
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I thought it should have been Hastings at 7 and Doueihi and Brooks fighting it out for 6 but now I don't think Hastings was what we needed at the club. I thought Hastings last year might have struggled with us a little because he had a foot injury. He still has a poor kicking game and doesn't threaten with the ball. I think he is miles behind someone like Mitch Moses for instance.

It doesn't matter though because the club has let Hastings and Brooks go and I don't think Doueihi's biggest fan would state he was likely to make it as an NRL player now. I'd love to see Doueihi come back a gun but I can't see the club planning for him to play any role going forward. It'd be a miracle at this point.
 
crazycat said:
Still I like a team with 2 5/8's as you describe. You don't know what's going to happen and it is very exciting.
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I couldn't give a toss about the organizing half. I'd like us to have two decent halves first. That hasn't happened in years.
 
crazycat said:
Your saying the right things.

I just want to pointout:
2005, the halves were Scott Prince and Benji.
While Prince isn't a Dominant style half. He can organise a play and make an attack happen. I recall one origin where Cronk was injured and Prince came in. QLD was lost, Prince lead Thurston and the attack (from 7).

2011(?) Robert Lui came in as Halfback with Benji at 6. We made the quarter finals and lost to an incredible Bulldogs side who lost to an incredible Souths side.

IMHO those were the two years our team has done the best. I wouldn't say either Lui or Prince are a Cooper Cronk or Townsend style Organisational half. But they were more then just 5/8's and could organise our team. Other then Wakeham and Mead(ancient) who both are fringe graders, Lui and Prince would be our most dominant halves.

Still I like a team with 2 5/8's as you describe. You don't know what's going to happen and it is very exciting.
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2011(?) Robert Lui came in as Halfback with Benji at 6. We made the quarter finals and lost to an incredible Bulldogs side who lost to an incredible Souths side.

Sorry are we the 2014 Panthers?
 
earl said:
Agreed. The club signing anyone in the halves is a step forward. I hope we get Fainu as well even though he could just as easily be a bust. We need options in the halves.
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What's our plan with Fainu then?

If we think Fainu is our First grade answer then IMHO we are pushing it.
If we think Fainu is maybe a 13th/bench option to start with, we need a halves solution.

Were lucky with Bula, yet I think there are potentially gaps there that are not getting looked at. Mainly defense and positioning....

I see how the backs are difficult. The front row someone can take up the slack. Having a back underperform means a defensive hole.

Personally. I think we should accept the Halves are stuffed. Bypass Sezer and work on our defensive posture and hire wings/Centers accordingly. Then with a squad that can actually defend hire a Halfback to manage them.
 
crazycat said:
What's our plan with Fainu then?

If we think Fainu is our First grade answer then IMHO we are pushing it.
If we think Fainu is maybe a 13th/bench option to start with, we need a halves solution.
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One of our top two halves options. We can bring him along slowly if we have too but I suspect they will view him like Bula in that they were always planning on Bula coming good at fullback.

I think we are definitely pushing it but I don't see better options out there.

crazycat said:
Personally. I think we should accept the Halves are stuffed. Bypass Sezer and work on our defensive posture and hire wings/Centers accordingly. Then with a squad that can actually defend hire a Halfback to manage them.
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Not a bad idea but I can't see why we can't have 4 halves, 2 can be Wakeham standard, Fainu and Sezer and go out and buy another outside back or two with pace. Yes they need to be able to defend but we need some speedier outside backs. Lock might be an issue but we can play Blore and Pole there and there are kids coming through. I think the issue with the pack would be more about getting the players performing consistently. They are probably good enough.

I wouldn't be thinking we can win the comp straight away with those halves but I think that is the best we can do right now.
 
earl said:
One of our top two halves options. We can bring him along slowly if we have too but I suspect they will view him like Bula in that they were always planning on Bula coming good at fullback.

I think we are definitely pushing it but I don't see better options out there.



Not a bad idea but I can't see why we can't have 4 halves, 2 can be Wakeham standard, Fainu and Sezer and go out and buy another outside back or two with pace. Yes they need to be able to defend but we need some speedier outside backs. Lock might be an issue but we can play Blore and Pole there and there are kids coming through. I think the issue with the pack would be more about getting the players performing consistently. They are probably good enough.

I wouldn't be thinking we can win the comp straight away with those halves but I think that is the best we can do right now.
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Look at the way Reynolds played last night for the donkeys , that’s what we are missing , we need a playmaker and a running 5/8 , I also think we need another experienced frontrower , because I think KLEMMER is playing big minutes, would take Paul Vaughan he is killing it in England, throw in a ball playing lock and I think even with the crap backs we got u would see a mass improvement
 
bptiger 0 said:
Look at the way Reynolds played last night for the donkeys , that’s what we are missing , we need a playmaker and a running 5/8 , I also think we need another experienced frontrower , because I think KLEMMER is playing big minutes, would take Paul Vaughan he is killing it in England, throw in a ball playing lock and I think even with the crap backs we got u would see a mass improvement
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I hear what you are stating but honestly I just want two halves that can threaten. I also don't want any more middle forwards. We have to get rid of some of them already.

We have Klemmer, Stef, Pole, Seyfarth, James, Blore, Matamua and Twal. Then we have the young guys coming through in Faagutu, Miller and Kit Laulilii,
 
Demps said:
Benji was a 5/8 that when asked at South's played a game managing mature halfback role and proved an asset.

I'm seeing this will be the same approach for Sezar.

Trust the process.
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Sezer runs the show at Leeds in the world's premier rugby league competition.
Penrith and St Helens say hello to all the knockers.
He took them to the GF against the world champions as their game manager.
 
I am starting to think that the idea of a spine could be extended to a having a ball playing lock.

Isiah Yeo is the prototype for this. He often take the first pass from the ruck and affords Cleary more time and space. I can see with Sezer that he isn’t a Hastings, DCE type who have a high amount of touches per set of six.

If we can attract or develop someone like a Yeo, who plays either side of the ruck and allows the halves more time, this could potentially work. At present only Seyfarth is our only option (and still would require significant development) as Pole and Blore etc play the role of an additional prop who are more metre eating than a true link man.
 
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