Referendum 2023

[tony soprano]

The comparison to convicts arriving on the first fleet is childish. The is no comparison to 200+ years of systematic attempts at genocide, the taking of land, removal of children, a lack of recognition of even being human up until halfway through last century. I'd be stunned if that is the predominant view in the majority of mainstream Australia (people who are choosing to vote no included).

Have you ever been to a remote community or provided any resources for indigenous before. Or you are on a moral high ground for writing a 3 letter word?

 

[tony soprano]

I was going to post this. It's highly immature. It really is.

She could have said they were locked up in chains and genocide occurred and those weren't good things but instead she has to go full moron style and paint a one sided idiotic picture.

I remember years ago watching that young black woman who is a cooker right wing darling state that the problem with black people in America was that they were given canteen lunches for free. That is cooker material.

It's just dumb and only someone who is really immature would state this stuff.

These are big complex issues and trying to break it down to some harsh simplistic idea that lays blame on the people who are clearly struggling is highly immature.

Just to clarify what a cooker is:-https://cookerpedia.org/wiki/Cooker

Stop typing

 

[earl]

I'd be stunned if that is the predominant view in the majority of mainstream Australia (people who are choosing to vote no included).

I reckon about 20% in society believe they are discriminated against even if they come from privileged backgrounds. That accounts for 20% of the votes.

There are the cooker votes but they'll be a max of say 5% but more likely less.

These groups make a lot of noise but they aren't that significant.

I hate to say it but I don't think the yes campaign have done a good job.

 

[earl]

Stop typing

Why ? She just stated something that was highly ridiculous and immature. You can't be so one sided and expect a rational discussion.

You need to look at the whole picture.

 

[Betterdays22]

Have you ever been to a remote community or provided any resources for indigenous before. Or you are on a moral high ground for writing a 3 letter word?

I certainly don't feel like I need to justify my occupation to you. But i'll bite. I am I psychologist working publicly in regional NSW. Her statements around intergenerational are scientifically and objectively untrue.

The irony of Sky News talking about tantrums. Their whole business model is built on fully grown adults having tantrums.

 

[earl]

Cool down dude. I'm definitely not having a tantrum. That isn't my style. I'm stating that a complex issue should be discussed in it's complexity. She didn't do that. It was silly and immature.

No tantrum. Just calm rational discussions without the extremism.

 

[earl]

Her statements around intergenerational are scientifically and objectively untrue.

I am reading a book where he states that this has been proven to occur. The book is not based on Indigenous trauma. It's trauma in general.

 

[tony soprano]

I certainly don't feel like I need to justify my occupation to you. But i'll bite. I am I psychologist working publicly in regional NSW. Her statements around intergenerational are scientifically and objectively untrue.

The irony of Sky News talking about tantrums. Their whole business model is built on fully grown adults having tantrums.

When u start calling people names I thought u must be a subject matter expert.

 

[earl]

When u start calling people names I thought u must be a subject matter expert.

Do you have anything constructive to add to the conversation ? The funny thing is he does sound like a subject matter expert.

 

[Tucker]

I think we should get all the triggered white people together and they can form a posse and go after this Aboriginal woman, telling her she doesn’t understand her own culture and educating her as to what is best for her community.

Whoops too late….

 

[Betterdays22]

I think we should get all the triggered white people together and they can form a posse and go after this Aboriginal woman, telling her she doesn’t understand her own culture and educating her as to what is best for her community.

Whoops too late….

Genuinely wondering if her view around colonisation would be a majority view in the Aboriginal people you know Tucker.

 

[Betterdays22]

When u start calling people names I thought u must be a subject matter expert.

I should take a leaf from your book. Much easier to mindlessly repost things from Sky News than actually generate a thought for yourself.

 

[tony soprano]

I should take a leaf from your book. Much easier to mindlessly repost things from Sky News than actually generate a thought for yourself.

You sound like a great psychologist 😂

 

[Betterdays22]

You sound like a great psychologist 😂

Thanks Tony.

 

[Tucker]

Genuinely wondering if her view around colonisation would be a majority view in the Aboriginal people you know Tucker.

I would say it is a minority view but not substantially extremist.
A lot of people are far enough removed from these happenings that they are only looking forward.

 

[Enmore_Tiger]

I think we should get all the triggered white people together and they can form a posse and go after this Aboriginal woman, telling her she doesn’t understand her own culture and educating her as to what is best for her community.

Whoops too late….

My ancestors arrived as convicts. They finished their sentences and took up farming land that was handed down through 3 generations to the present.

We know the story of our family. We have litteraly zero information about peoples who were on the land before us. They and thier history was erased.

The land was handed down as accumulated inherited wealth. Aboriginal people continued to experience the killings of family and were forced without property onto missions where they could not maintain wealth or hand it to children etc etc etc.

My childhood and education was financed by inherited wealth that started as land for free.

For Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, as an official senior leader of the No campaign to compare the Ingidenous experience to convicts, and for senior members of the Liberal/National Party to laugh at a joke about intergenerational trauma, is scrapping the bottom of the barrel, diabolical. Ditto saying there are no ongoing impacts of Colonisation (see my personal above story).

Many No supporters here have rightly and clearly pointed out concerning issues with the Yes campaign. If they cannot see that those elements of Price's speach to be a bizzare opinion that right thinking people would see as untrue, and just wrong, then it distracts from the sense of objective thinking of the No supporters and diminishes their arguments.

 

[Kaito]

I think we should get all the triggered white people together and they can form a posse and go after this Aboriginal woman, telling her she doesn’t understand her own culture and educating her as to what is best for her community.

Whoops too late….

Like whats been happening 2 Prof. Marcia Langton?
Being a hypocrite as usual, and im not white pal lol.
Not everyone voting yes is a leftie activist y'know.

 

[tony soprano]

My ancestors arrived as convicts. They finished their sentences and took up farming land that was handed down through 3 generations to the present.

We know the story of our family. We have litteraly zero information about peoples who were on the land before us. They and thier history was erased.

The land was handed down as accumulated inherited wealth. Aboriginal people continued to experience the killings of family and were forced without property onto missions where they could not maintain wealth or hand it to children etc etc etc.

My childhood and education was financed by inherited wealth that started as land for free.

For Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, as an official senior leader of the No campaign to compare the Ingidenous experience to convicts, and for senior members of the Liberal/National Party to laugh at a joke about intergenerational trauma, is scrapping the bottom of the barrel, diabolical. Ditto saying there are no ongoing impacts of Colonisation (see my personal above story).

Many No supporters here have rightly and clearly pointed out concerning issues with the Yes campaign. If they cannot see that those elements of Price's speach to be a bizzare opinion that right thinking people would see as untrue, and just wrong, then it distracts from the sense of objective thinking of the No supporters and diminishes their arguments.

For context she was baited by the media and gave her answer/opinion.

Again, more context, leading to the question she was talking about government bodies and hand outs do not do anything for the indigenous community and only accelerate a victim mentality.

Like you said she lives and in NT and I am going to assume has more ground knowledge then the sensitive blokes on here.

 

[Tucker]

My ancestors arrived as convicts. They finished their sentences and took up farming land that was handed down through 3 generations to the present.

We know the story of our family. We have litteraly zero information about peoples who were on the land before us. They and thier history was erased.

The land was handed down as accumulated inherited wealth. Aboriginal people continued to experience the killings of family and were forced without property onto missions where they could not maintain wealth or hand it to children etc etc etc.

My childhood and education was financed by inherited wealth that started as land for free.

For Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, as an official senior leader of the No campaign to compare the Ingidenous experience to convicts, and for senior members of the Liberal/National Party to laugh at a joke about intergenerational trauma, is scrapping the bottom of the barrel, diabolical. Ditto saying there are no ongoing impacts of Colonisation (see my personal above story).

Many No supporters here have rightly and clearly pointed out concerning issues with the Yes campaign. If they cannot see that those elements of Price's speach to be a bizzare opinion that right thinking people would see as untrue, and just wrong, then it distracts from the sense of objective thinking of the No supporters and diminishes their arguments.

So you are saying she cannot hold this opinion as it varies from the narrative too much? Therefor, she is a bad person and leader?
She has ancestors who suffered through colonialism and they weren’t all black. The narrative states that the white ones accepted the situation and it didn’t really affect them, however all of the black ones suffered from trauma. That is verging on racist stereotype.
She isn’t comparing indigenous experience to convicts. She is stating they have similarities. She is correct to say so.

You have clearly portrayed that your privilege doesn’t sit well with you. What are you doing about it other than commenting on here? Have you undertaken moves to repay your familiy’s “debt”? Surely you must want to give the land back? Are you engaging in financial exchanges of any sort? or merely holding hope that treaty happens and everyone is forced to pay reparations, which will make you feel better?

Your assertion that this damages the well founded arguments of the no campaign remain to be seen. They certainly aren’t, just on the lefty’s say so. No matter how much they Nash their teeth.
Let’s check the polls next week and revisit.

 

[Tucker]

Like whats been happening 2 Prof. Marcia Langton?
Being a hypocrite as usual, and im not white pal lol.
Not everyone voting yes is a leftie activist y'know.

Marcia Langton brings everything on her self. Very much like you do.