2023 Israel–Hamas war

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Mistymuzzle said:
Yeah real genius. Has the conviction to start the thread but not stick at it when reality hits.
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Hi. Personally I think the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the most overrated topics in history. A petty squabble between Abrahamic sects that the rest of the world is forced to endure endless commentary on. The emphasis it gets is not to do with care for human life, as there are at least half a dozen conflicts going on right now that are deadlier.

For some reason every single dumbarse ideology feels the need to attach itself to what's going on in this little patch of dirt in the Middle East. We see evangelicals and conservatives in the west more concerned about terror attacks in Israel than terror attacks in their own countries. We see leftists coming out with pathological weirdness like 'Queers for Palestine!' and rambling about colonisation. We see Turks storming embassies in rage at bombings in Gaza while they are simultaneously themselves bombing Kurds back to the stone age. We see Indians and Pakistanis in a frenzy of backing particular sides because Israelis v Palestinians in their own head has become a proxy for their own hatred of each other.
 
TillLindemann said:
Hi. Personally I think the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the most overrated topics in history. A petty squabble between Abrahamic sects that the rest of the world is forced to endure endless commentary on. The emphasis it gets is not to do with care for human life, as there are at least half a dozen conflicts going on right now that are deadlier.

For some reason every single dumbarse ideology feels the need to attach itself to what's going on in this little patch of dirt in the Middle East. We see evangelicals and conservatives in the west more concerned about terror attacks in Israel than terror attacks in their own countries. We see leftists coming out with pathological weirdness like 'Queers for Palestine!' and rambling about colonisation. We see Turks storming embassies in rage at bombings in Gaza while they are simultaneously themselves bombing Kurds back to the stone age. We see Indians and Pakistanis in a frenzy of backing particular sides because Israelis v Palestinians in their own head has become a proxy for their own hatred of each other.
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Agree with your assessment here, and personally thought that the Middle East was on the right path to sorting itself out with the rest of the Middle East ignoring Israel/Palestine with the Abraham Accords and the recent intent for normalisation between israel & Saudi. If all these different parties could normalise relations and create wealth and prosperity and dare say increased security, the Middle East basically sorts itself out, which of course is probably why Iran triggered this attack.

Having said that, the Hamas attack was unprecedented in the extent and barbaric nature which of course was intentional and the predictable Israeli response is of course killing thousands of civilians and is as horrific as it is inevitable. I also think this conflict right now has the greatest capacity for spilling out of its current boundaries and escalating to draw Iran & US in directly.
 
Mistymuzzle said:
I also think this conflict right now has the greatest capacity for spilling out of its current boundaries and escalating to draw Iran & US in directly.
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Hamas want Iran to intervene but they won't. They'll send the Iran funded terrorist group Hezbollah which will involve Lebanon in the war & quite frankly it's a war Lebanon can't afford.
 
WesternSuburbsBoy said:
Hamas want Iran to intervene but they won't. They'll send the Iran funded terrorist group Hezbollah which will involve Lebanon in the war & quite frankly it's a war Lebanon can't afford.
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Agree, Iran are already involved obviously via proxies of Hamas and potentially Hezbollah. I think the big risk is if Hezbollah attack Israel whilst Israel are sorting Hamas, potentially dragging US into it. Ultimately US & Iran would be directly involved (not through proxies) and then there is obviously the risk of opportunistic actions (China/Taiwan for example).
 
Mistymuzzle said:
Trust Earl to have the worst take on this.

Hamas storm into Israel, intentionally slaughtering civilians at a music festival, beheading babys, raping women, killing kids, taking women and children hostage and its Israels 'Tough Guy attitude" that is a problem.
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Some of this has been found to be inaccurate, for the record...which is a whole new chapter / thread around fake news...
 
Tiger_heart said:
Some of this has been found to be inaccurate, for the record...which is a whole new chapter / thread around fake news...
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The only part of that list that wasnt sourced directly from Hamas uploaded videos was the beheading babies, which the US Govt confirmed as real. Lets take it as a given that the US Govt is lying, I witnessed with my own eyes, from videos uploaded by Hamas, beheading of men who are still alive with blunt gardening tools, rape of women to the point that their pants are soaked with blood, shooting of small children and desecration of their bodies, kidnapping small children, woman and elderly women and parading them through the streets of Gaza to be beaten by "innocent palestinians", a 5 yo child whose mother was shot in front of him, taken back to Gaza where he was beaten by sticks by palestinian children and taunted with "say mummy", a young woman beaten so badly her legs were bent at 90degrees the wrong way, apparently still alive but unconscious, naked face down in a ute paraded through Gaza to be further beaten and spat on.

None of this is fake news. I posted the link to the videos earlier in the thread. I do not recommend viewing because it is truly disgusting and horrific, but if you are going to suggest that this is fake news and these things didnt happen, then yes you should watch the videos that were uploaded by Hamas and report back and tell me Im making it up.
 
Mistymuzzle said:
Agree, Iran are already involved obviously via proxies of Hamas and potentially Hezbollah. I think the big risk is if Hezbollah attack Israel whilst Israel are sorting Hamas, potentially dragging US into it. Ultimately US & Iran would be directly involved (not through proxies) and then there is obviously the risk of opportunistic actions (China/Taiwan for example).
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Any attack by the US on Iran brings Russia and China into the conflict. Even if it wasn't the case a US attack on Iran in isolation is useless without occupation which is out of the question. Any bombing campaign on Iran will only further their quest for atomic security which will be aided by Russia and China.

Also Hamas and Hezbollah don't have to do anything to achieve their aims, that is watch the world turn the against Israel as Israel struggles to achieve it's military aims and turns increasingly to indiscriminate aerial attacks.

Iran can sit back and watch, the Israeli Saudi detente is on ice.
 
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Magpie_Magic said:
Any attack by the US on Iran brings Russia a d China into the conflict.
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There are a many many steps before US directly attack Iran, but if Hezbollah was to make a significant orchestrated attack on Israel and push them back, I dont think it is beyond the realms of possibilty that US air power supports Israel attacking Hezbollah in north.

The US have moved two aircraft carrier groups into the eastern Mediterranean and thats not for nothing. They are there as a deterrent for more action and to support Israel if necessary as well as provide support to extract hostages that are US citizens out of Gaza.

Up to 13 of the hostages that Hamas are holding in Gaza are US citizens and the US will not do nothing.
 
Well. I can cancel my Telegraph subscription. Got all the breaking news here. Thank you Misty Muzzle. More food on the table for the kids.
 
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