Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[balmain boy]

Sullivan could be a handy 14 long term

Electric and some X-factor off the bench

I see him being a handy backup to Api while TDS is developing in NSW Cup

 

[Kaito]

If you're married try going home tonight and telling the wife that you could've pulled in an extra 600k a year but you knocked it back because you wanted to hang around with your mates, see how many frying pans to the head you take.

Too many of you blokes get sucked in by the "getting less to play for a good club" rubbish. These blokes all have mangers getting their cut. They're not taking less. They go for money every time, sometimes the money just isn't on show.

Haha. Spot on Packer, you're not wrong at all

 

[balmain boy]

Apparently he had a deal on the table at Penrith that if he signed without a manager he would pocket the commission costs of over 100k.
So roughly a 800k deal with no manager was going to net him over 900k with Penrith.
You would have to assume he isn’t signing up with a new manager to resign with Penrith even if they push the deal to 900k he still loses the money that was already on the table.

It's the same for any player, if you don't have an agent you get to keep the 10% cut (or whatever their cut is). If he signed for 800k he'd keep that 800k, with an agent his share would only be ~720k.

 

[Tiger Stripes]

It's the same for any player, if you don't have an agent you get to keep the 10% cut (or whatever their cut is). If he signed for 800k he'd keep that 800k, with an agent his share would only be ~720k.

And that 10% is a one off, right?
And the subsequent years he gets full freight, right? Is that how it works?

 

[Needaname]

That game Luai played SOS without Cleary there were questions marks if he would look out of place. Arguably NSW’s best player that game - he has proved he can do it without Cleary.

Penrith seem to be worse without Luai then they are without Cleary….. am I by no stretch hinting Luai is the better player but it does give you an indication of the impact he has.

The only question mark is whether he’s the type of halve we need.

We have enough X-factor halves coming up, you could make the argument we have the two most electric young junior halves in the game with Fainu and Sullivan. Luai is similar but has the toughness as well…..

However, we need a general who can help provide the balance of X-factor yet efficient at the same time.

With every Benji, you need a Prince
With every Munster, you need a Hughes
With every Brown, you need a Moses
With every Mam, you need a Reynolds
With every Luai, you need a Cleary.

Can Luai provide the same polish at the end of our sets as an established 7 to allow one of either Fainu/Sullivan to play their natural game. If the club feel like he can do that throw the $1.2 million at him….. if not then maybe money spent elsewhere for someone who can provide that.

You can have as much talent as you want but if you don’t have a 7 who can polish off your sets and provide that balance - well you’ll just end up like the South Sydney Rabbitohs this year.

Go ask Cody Walker how important it is to have a 7 to rely on to end your sets to allow your 6 to be creative.

Just my thoughts.

I think you said it best in an earlier post. You would play him at 7 with a similar style to Nicko Hynnes there is no way you’re pigeonholing him to a flank.
All the talk of Luai coming will upset the young halves.
Has TDS complained that he has Api Korisou to learn off and compete with? Or is he grateful?

 

[Needaname]

It's the same for any player, if you don't have an agent you get to keep the 10% cut (or whatever their cut is). If he signed for 800k he'd keep that 800k, with an agent his share would only be ~720k.

Yes, you’re right. His not getting more from no manager but he certainly isn’t getting less.

 

[Flippedy]

That game Luai played SOS without Cleary there were questions marks if he would look out of place. Arguably NSW’s best player that game - he has proved he can do it without Cleary.

Penrith seem to be worse without Luai then they are without Cleary….. am I by no stretch hinting Luai is the better player but it does give you an indication of the impact he has.

The only question mark is whether he’s the type of halve we need.

We have enough X-factor halves coming up, you could make the argument we have the two most electric young junior halves in the game with Fainu and Sullivan. Luai is similar but has the toughness as well…..

However, we need a general who can help provide the balance of X-factor yet efficient at the same time.

With every Benji, you need a Prince
With every Munster, you need a Hughes
With every Brown, you need a Moses
With every Mam, you need a Reynolds
With every Luai, you need a Cleary.

Can Luai provide the same polish at the end of our sets as an established 7 to allow one of either Fainu/Sullivan to play their natural game. If the club feel like he can do that throw the $1.2 million at him….. if not then maybe money spent elsewhere for someone who can provide that.

You can have as much talent as you want but if you don’t have a 7 who can polish off your sets and provide that balance - well you’ll just end up like the South Sydney Rabbitohs this year.

Go ask Cody Walker how important it is to have a 7 to rely on to end your sets to allow your 6 to be creative.

Just my thoughts.

Great thoughts, makes a lot of sense. Maybe Sezer at 7 if he stays on past 2024 can provide that polish/stability for Luai at 6? I’ve never been a big fan of Sezer but he is an experienced and more controlling half than those we’ve had or have signed and maybe he has picked up a few more tricks in his stint overseas.

Anyway see how they all go next season I guess. Maybe one of Sullivan or Fainu will have a break out year and we won’t need Luai, or maybe both those guys will still need time in reggies to ply their trade OR perhaps they won’t work out at all! Either way I’m thinking a Luai/Sezer combo might work well and, along with Api & Bula, be exactly what this team needs. That’s if we are actually any real hope of signing Luai of course??

 

[Magpies1969]

A lot of quality Five Eights in the past got their first taste of first grade in the Centres.

Laurie Daly played centre for Raiders until Chris O'Sullivan retired and then he moved to Five Eight

Brett Kenny and Steve Ella use to interchange between Centre and Five Eight for the Eels

Brad Fittler played centre for Penrith until Steve Carter retired and then he moved to Five Eight

Maybe one of the younger players we bought to play Five Eight gets a start at Centre???

Also Luke Lewis went from a quality winger to a quality Second Rower. I wished we had signed him ahead of the Sharks. One of my favourite players

 

[supercoach]

Luai can play that organising role without any problem. He is also ultra competitive , has a good kicking game and a strong defender. Only downside he seems a tosser but who cares if he helps lift our team up the ladder

 

[Bula]

Flanagan Snr lets Sullivan leave while another half has a court verdict pending and is subsequently found guilty. Kyle Flanagan come on down

 

[pawsandclaws1]

A lot of quality Five Eights in the past got their first taste of first grade in the Centres.

Laurie Daly played centre for Raiders until Chris O'Sullivan retired and then he moved to Five Eight

Brett Kenny and Steve Ella use to interchange between Centre and Five Eight for the Eels

Brad Fittler played centre for Penrith until Steve Carter retired and then he moved to Five Eight

Maybe one of the younger players we bought to play Five Eight gets a start at Centre???

Also Luke Lewis went from a quality winger to a quality Second Rower. I wished we had signed him ahead of the Sharks. One of my favourite players

Good post. Ben Ikin was another good footballer who had his first start in the centres.

 

[Oldman]

Good post. Ben Ikin was another good footballer who had his first start in the centres.

Agree
One thing
All these examples were pretty good no matter where they played.
Add
Bozo in that list as well although he might have moved to 5/8 a bit later than the rest.
If they are good enough they have to be in the team.

 

[851]

Good post. Ben Ikin was another good footballer who had his first start in the centres.

So did Greg Florimo, Michael Buettner, Peter Jackson, Matt Burton, Jack Wighton and quite a few others

 

[Demps]

So did Greg Florimo, Michael Buettner, Peter Jackson, Matt Burton, Jack Wighton and quite a few others

Freddy Fitler too?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Benji played a few games in the centres in 2004.

 

[Camel2281]

Good post. Ben Ikin was another good footballer who had his first start in the centres.

Agreed. I think Large especially will end up in the centres at least for his first few years in grade if he makes it. He's playing centre for the junior Waratahs lately

 

[Wiz]

Large plays inside centre at Scots because the Scots backline is fairly stacked (Fittler’s son is the outside centre) and he was only in year 10 this year. I expect you’ll see him move to five eighth or full back for his next two seasons.

 

[SwervinMervin]

Good post. Ben Ikin was another good footballer who had his first start in the centres.

Not to mention our very own Garry Schoefield. Legs so white they were practically blue!

 

[SwervinMervin]

And that 10% is a one off, right?
And the subsequent years he gets full freight, right? Is that how it works?

Pretty sure it is each year of the contract they pick up the commission. Otherwise none of the agents would be pushing for long term deals.

 

[Halbrowne61]

Not to mention our very own Garry Schoefield. Legs so white they were practically blue!

Everytime I see your handle I start smiling.
Swerving Mervin , great handle.
Do you remember Merv Muggleton who played for Balmain, I think he may have had that title as well.
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