Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Lestronge said:
Wtf are you talking about ? He’s 34 , and was recruited to be the old head ? Literally why he was recruited .
As for the cogger stuff. Once again WTF are you talking about ? You credit a guy who comes off a premiership to the wooden spoon team , and he’s not going to have an issue riding the pine or reserve grade ? That’s literally nonsense , and lacking any insight .
And it would have taken a 3-4 year deal , so you’re literally giving Jack Cogger the keys to the team if you do that .
Of course he has an ego! He’s a first grade footballer . How many have you met that even play reserve grade that don’t have one ! It’s a virtue in sports to have irrational confidence .
do you just naysay for the sake of it ?
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Yes it is why he has been recruited. That doesn't actually mean he can do that job. It means our club hopes/believes he can do that he can.
The best example of this I believe is Frizzell. Knights signed him believing they were not only getting a very good player but also a leader only to discover Frizzell doesn't talk. He is not a leader and not a guy to guide young players, even though he himself exemplifies what it takes to be a first grader.
It is more common for experienced players to not act as mentors for young players than it is they do. I'm not saying Sezer isn't that guy, I'm saying it certainly isn't a given that he is.

Again with Cogger, the insight is that he isn't assured of a starting spot at Knights, yet he signed there anyway. This shows he either understands that he is currently a benchie/fringe first grader. Or he has such an ego that he believes he will displace Hastings/Gamble/Crossland. He might do so but it isn't a given. There is no evidence that he will soon or cause any other chaos if he isn't in their best 17, just as there is none that he would do so if he was here.
 
earl said:
Where would be play Welsby ? We have like 3 gun junior halves and a fullback we've signed long term.

We desperately need some class players but we need to be somewhat strategic.
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I’m thinking you could only play him as a 1 6 or 13. Anywhere else and you hobble him? With this in mind, perhaps Benj is thinking he could be our 1 with Bula moving to 3 or 4?
 
Lestronge said:
Bull shit dude ! You don’t get to first grade being humble . He may be a good bloke , but humble , in a halfback is a death warrant . Even someone like Luke brooks the epitome of a “humble good bloke” is anything but .
Some of the shit said on here is arm chair I swear . I never played a game of football in my life where the halfback was humble .
Of course the star halfback recruited from a premiership team would have an issue playing reserve grade for the wooden spoon team . How is this debatable ?
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A few years ago a player named Humble was a first grade Wests tigers halfback
 
jrtiger said:
so you don't think that Benji Marshall, a 300 game, premiership winning, future Hall of Famer and true innovator of the game doesn't have any pull? give me a break. you also think that a coach with that kind of standing in the game should sit on the sidelines when you have players tour the facilities? Benji is a drawcard and should be used as such.

Fulton has runs on the board, yes, but he should be overruled by the coach he works for, that's how it works. how can a coach get his side to play how he wants if he doesn't have the cattle he needs?
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Don't talk sense.
 
jrtiger said:
so you don't think that Benji Marshall, a 300 game, premiership winning, future Hall of Famer and true innovator of the game doesn't have any pull? give me a break. you also think that a coach with that kind of standing in the game should sit on the sidelines when you have players tour the facilities? Benji is a drawcard and should be used as such.

Fulton has runs on the board, yes, but he should be overruled by the coach he works for, that's how it works. how can a coach get his side to play how he wants if he doesn't have the cattle he needs?
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Like I said the track record says no.

Come on who else goes from media straight to first grade coach. Let's be real. There is a legitimate concern for his coaching there.

I know he is once in a life time player but coaching is different.

In reality benji the coach was a another poor management decision.
 
jrtiger said:
not right now he isn't, but he has the tools to become a 7. brilliant passing game both sides, slight of hand, classy short kicking game, defends very well. some of the controlling / game managing aspects he needs to pick up, but those things can be taught over a few preseasons.

don't be surprised if he’s our halfback in a few years time once he is 50-60 games into his career with Onitoni Large outside of him.
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Can be taught? We had a bloke for 11 seasons that never learnt those aspects
 
jrtiger said:
not right now he isn't, but he has the tools to become a 7. brilliant passing game both sides, slight of hand, classy short kicking game, defends very well. some of the controlling / game managing aspects he needs to pick up, but those things can be taught over a few preseasons.

don't be surprised if he’s our halfback in a few years time once he is 50-60 games into his career with Onitoni Large outside of him.
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Large is playing centre for the Waratahs at the moment, I've watched a bit of their games coz I know one of the kids in the team. He's an outstanding runner of the ball, quick and a big kid. He'll end up a centre
 
tony soprano said:
Like I said the track record says no.

Come on who else goes from media straight to first grade coach. Let's be real. There is a legitimate concern for his coaching there.

I know he is once in a life time player but coaching is different.

In reality benji the coach was a another poor management decision.
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who's he missed out on? Mitch Moses and Shaun Johnson, who both stayed at their respective clubs. big whoop.

I understand there is cause for concern given he hasn't done a traditional apprenticeship, but this is Benji Marshall we're talking about. the player managers may have concerns but I'm sure there's plenty of players throughout the league that want to play under him, and in 12 months who's to say those concerns won't be put to bed if we shoot the lights out next year?

there's also been plenty of chat from internal and external stakeholders that Marshall has created an environment and culture players want to be a part of. players talk. let's see what happens in these next few weeks when free agency opens.
 
jrtiger said:
who's he missed out on? Mitch Moses and Shaun Johnson, who both stayed at their respective clubs. big whoop.

I understand there is cause for concern given he hasn't done a traditional apprenticeship, but this is Benji Marshall we're talking about. the player managers may have concerns but I'm sure there's plenty of players throughout the league that want to play under him, and in 12 months who's to say those concerns won't be put to bed if we shoot the lights out next year?

there's also been plenty of chat from internal and external stakeholders that Marshall has created an environment and culture players want to be a part of. players talk. let's see what happens in these next few weeks when free agency opens.
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Great post. Creating an environment where our own juniors want to stay and play and new recruits wanting in at the club is exciting.
 
Camel2281 said:
Large is playing centre for the Waratahs at the moment, I've watched a bit of their games coz I know one of the kids in the team. He's an outstanding runner of the ball, quick and a big kid. He'll end up a centre
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he definitely has the physical skillset of an outside back, but if you have a look at tape from his time in Matts last season you'll see he has incredible ballplaying skills as well and already possesses the ability to play up and down the gears, which most players don't learn until they're 60 games into their career.

he is generational. given how hard we pushed to keep him and his brother he will be playing in the spine when he's ready for regular first grade.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
Great post. Creating an environment where our own juniors want to stay and play and new recruits wanting in at the club is exciting.
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a lot of the youngsters in the HM side have wanted to stay together and build the club to where it should be. Marshall as head coach with some decent assistants and Cheika above him will be more than enough to ensure they reach the heights they should.

we've had two golden generations come one after the other. the first went undefeated through Harold Matts in 2022. this next Harold Matts side next year is going to be very fun to watch and could do something very similar with Karnib, Makasini, O. Large, Isdale, A. Large, Sheck and Havea.
 
jrtiger said:
he definitely has the physical skillset of an outside back, but if you have a look at tape from his time in Matts last season you'll see he has incredible ballplaying skills as well and already possesses the ability to play up and down the gears, which most players don't learn until they're 60 games into their career.

he is generational. given how hard we pushed to keep him and his brother he will be playing in the spine when he's ready for regular first grade.
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If the ARU gets their s%*t together they will throw huge money at Large when the time is right!
 
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