Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Tiger_claws]

Mt Druitt Heights perhaps

A suburb of Mt.Druitt is Shalvey but better known by locals as the upmarket name Shalvalley. He could move to the “Valley”. Better than its neighbouring suburb Lethbridge Park better known as Metho Letho.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

A suburb of Mt.Druitt is Shalvey but better known by locals as the upmarket name Shalvalley. He could move to the “Valley”. Better than its neighbouring suburb Lethbridge Park better known as Metho Letho.

When I was younger I had a friend who lived in Whalan. Every night she’d sit out on her veranda and call me when all her neighbours would set off on each other. Good times.

 

[Todd Packer]

When referring to Panthers players can we please use their real names.
Upstanding educated Tigers fans can't be expected to keep up with the nicknames of Penrith filth .

 

[Juice]

I don’t really understand the 3rd party agreements, how much are each team allowed to use? Just seems like a waste of time having a salary cap if people are suggesting over $300k of Luai’s contract would be TPA?
Also why wouldn’t Panthers just offer him that much in TPA for him to stay?

(Sorry if dumb questions lol)

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Bro you and your cronies started it all lol
made every forum on the net believe it!

The only leaks have come out of Penrith.
Unreal what we've managed in a few weeks

No, I took the bait as well... I was distracted by a seriously fantastic sandwich I'd made.

 

[Tom Shines]

No, I took the bait as well... I was distracted by a seriously fantastic sandwich I'd made.

Looking at your avatar …What exactly are you doing to that sandwich to be so distracted?

 

[851]

Yeah...Pendi beach

Pondi actually

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Pondi actually

I drove past it the other night actually. And that’s exactly what it is. No waves in sight.

 

[hank37w]

Been plenty of waves out at Penriff Park lately.

 

[twentyforty]

I don’t really understand the 3rd party agreements, how much are each team allowed to use? Just seems like a waste of time having a salary cap if people are suggesting over $300k of Luai’s contract would be TPA?
Also why wouldn’t Panthers just offer him that much in TPA for him to stay?

(Sorry if dumb questions lol)

Not a dumb question at all. I’m trying to understand how the 10 day last right of negotiation needs to run 14 days? 😂
Anyway, these 3rd party deals have nothing to do with the club (apparently). If you we’re totally arms length from the club and wanted a player to promote your business without wearing the club logo, then you could pay him anything you like, the sky is the limit.

 

[hank37w]

I just worry about these so called independent 3rd party agreements and worry that something happens and they fall over or the NRL decide that it is not at arms length and independent and then disallow it etc.

To me they seem like a really dodgy grey area.

 

[88]

We seem to be assuming that whatever Luai is being paid is coming off the cap entirely.

It has been suggested that there is a component of TPA and I've seen $350k mentioned more than once.

If, for argument sake, the offer to Luai was $850k off the cap and $350k TPA, totaling $1.2m pa, would you still have reservations about the offer ?

That scenario would be a fantastic deal for the Tigers in terms of salary cap hit. Would be surprised the Panthers couldn’t offer something similar though with TPDs if they can afford $850k on their cap and keep him though.

Not sure why people would complain about the Luai deal. Pretty accepted on here that the majority of people on the forum have been whinging about the level of our halves for years now. The club has (rightly in my opinion) targeted every elite half that has been on the market (Munster, Moses, Luai). From memory they offered the first 2 even more money (up to $1.4M) and Munster’s offer was before the salary cap increase was confirmed.

I know we haven’t been able to land one of the elite halves as yet but you can’t blame the club for trying when it’s been one of the most talked about deficiencies of our list.

And they’ve also signed a steady veteran (Sezer), and some young halves with very high ceilings (Sullivan and Fainu). Not saying they will make it but you’ve always got to take a punt on young talent. Also got in our system Galvin and Large.

Given what is available and our recent struggles to sign elite ready to go halves, I’d say Luai is a no brainer if we can get him. Great age to mentor the young brigade (with Sezer the stop gap for that in the meantime). And like most bottom sides you need the circuit breaker to start attracting other high end talent.

More upside than downside I’d say and $1.2M for you marquee player is not unreasonable.

 

[gregjm87]

I don’t really understand the 3rd party agreements, how much are each team allowed to use? Just seems like a waste of time having a salary cap if people are suggesting over $300k of Luai’s contract would be TPA?
Also why wouldn’t Panthers just offer him that much in TPA for him to stay?

(Sorry if dumb questions lol)

There is no limit to 3rd party deals, but it is incredibly unlikely Luai would be getting 300k worth. Based on reported 3rd party figures* most clubs wouldn't get that many for their whole team.
*the reported figured would only consider the declared ones. I'd expect most clubs have a few illegal 3rd party deals as well.

 

[Fingers83]

The highest amount of third party deals in history was the Melbourne Storm, which equated to $1 million in 2019. Cronk, Smith and Slater benefitted from those.

Now the total amount of TPA's at any club is around $400k.

I highly doubt Jarome Luai is going to be given $300k in a TPA for himself.

As of last year, Wests Tigers had 0 TPA's.

The top 10 players in the NRL take up about 40% of the TPA market.

 

[Tom Shines]

The highest amount of third party deals in history was the Melbourne Storm, which equated to $1 million in 2019. Cronk, Smith and Slater benefitted from those.

Now the total amount of TPA's at any club is around $400k.

I highly doubt Jarome Luai is going to be given $300k in a TPA for himself.

As of last year, Wests Tigers had 0 TPA's.

The top 10 players in the NRL take up about 40% of the TPA market.

This might be true… but didn’t Harry T from Meriton say recently that he would consider third party arrangements to help out the Tigers ? it was subject apparently to him “meeting” with the player first …

I would assume he could afford to throw JL $300k a year if he wanted ..

 

[Tiger_claws]

When I was younger I had a friend who lived in Whalan. Every night she’d sit out on her veranda and call me when all her neighbours would set off on each other. Good times.

Good old Whalan. My brother played footy for them. The area was such a strong league area. So many clubs with brilliant players. Great memories

 

[Fingers83]

This might be true… but didn’t Harry T from Meriton say recently that he would consider third party arrangements to help out the Tigers ? it was subject apparently to him “meeting” with the player first …

I would assume he could afford to throw JL $300k a year if he wanted ..

I am sure the NRL has rules in place to stop this kind of significant money being thrown around though.

 

[KH1988]

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[gregjm87]

I am sure the NRL has rules in place to stop this kind of significant money being thrown around though.

Not really. The player would have to do something beyond sign to earn that money e.g. commercial, guest appearances. The business providing the money can not be directly affiliated with the club e.g. an existing sponsor, club employee, board member.

 

[Tom Shines]

I am sure the NRL has rules in place to stop this kind of significant money being thrown around though.

From what I can see… there is no limit on the amount…provided the Club did not “source the agreement with the third party” … which could be an issue… but how could he have had time on his own to sort out any deal already ?

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