Australia Day

[weststigers]

People can celebrate whatever they like, I don't
give a damn lol. Personally, I think a lot of people
would probably get more involved if the date
was changed though, and that's not being 'woke'
that's just my honest opinion. What would I know!

Just seemed like you had something to say about it judging by your post.

You said it was a beat up holiday. Went on talk about bogans wearing rubber aussie flip flops with flags and cheap plastic cups made in China. Most countries have these things for sale on their national day with their national flag and colours...maybe even Lebanon?

Every country, for their faults or otherwise, has a national day. The people get out and buy hats, flags, flip flops, paint their face, meet friends, spend time with family....whatever makes them feel good. I don't see it as a beat up that people want to celebrate the country they live in.

 

[innsaneink]

We and them.... How cool

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Most of the people outraged don't even know why it's on that date in the first place..!

Not sure.

But they would all feel that there is an attempt to somehow change the identity of the country and cancel the influence of probably many parts of its development under British colonisation by a date change.

Probably a reflexive push back against that.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

1.01 this thread ends in tears.

Nope mods delete posts before it gets out of hand. Speaking which I would like a personal msg to clarify. Been posting for years without a delete, on topic or not and 2 in one day feels a little targeted. Esp when I continue to read other rubbish.

 

[weststigers]

Nope mods delete posts before it gets out of hand. Speaking which I would like a personal msg to clarify. Been posting for years without a delete, on topic or not and 2 in one day feels a little targeted. Esp when I continue to read other rubbish.

Eh...it just kinda cools things off if the mods think it could descend into something more. They don't do it often to be fair. Topics like this can get heated, so I can understand. I wouldn't take it personally. It's better than warnings, suspensions and bans. Take it as a little nudge in the right direction.

 

[Kaito]

Just seemed like you had something to say about it judging by your post.

You said it was a beat up holiday. Went on talk about bogans wearing rubber aussie flip flops with flags and cheap plastic cups made in China. Most countries have these things for sale on their national day with their national flag and colours...maybe even Lebanon?

Every country, for their faults or otherwise, has a national day. The people get out and buy hats, flags, flip flops, paint their face, meet friends, spend time with family....whatever makes them feel good. I don't see it as a beat up that people want to celebrate the country they live in.

What's your point? I don't celebrate it, I couldn't
give a shit about Australia day/invasion day. I
think I made that clear. I also said I dont care
how & what other people celebrate - good 4 them.

To suggest 27th isn't divisive is bullshit though.
A think that a lot of anglos harbour guilt because
they're only a couple of generations removed
from the atrocities commited against 1st peoples.

Heck, golliwogs only went out of fashion in the
last few decades lol. Like I said, be proud, celebrate
whatever you like, have a lamb BBQ, drape urself
in the union jack and get pissed, I'm happy 4 U

 

[KingRobbie]

Nope mods delete posts before it gets out of hand. Speaking which I would like a personal msg to clarify. Been posting for years without a delete, on topic or not and 2 in one day feels a little targeted. Esp when I continue to read other rubbish.

The thread would’ve derailed into a general Politics thread the way it was going.

I deleted all off-topic posts (not just yours) to prevent the closure of the thread, which users don’t like.

No targeting.

 

[Kaito]

I've compiled a short list of reasons why some
folks aren't as enthusiastic about celebrating
Australia day on the 26th for your consideration:

1. *Cultural Insensitivity*: The date marks the arrival of the First Fleet in 1788, which led to the dispossession and suffering of Indigenous Australians. Celebrating on this date can be seen as culturally insensitive.

2. *Invasion Day Perspective*: For many Indigenous Australians, January 26th is known as "Invasion Day" or "Survival Day," highlighting the negative impact of European colonization on their communities.

3. *Historical Trauma*: The date represents a painful history for Indigenous people, including violence, forced removal of children, and the destruction of their cultures. Celebrating on this day may perpetuate historical trauma.

4. *Call for Reconciliation*: Advocates for change argue that choosing a different, more inclusive date for Australia Day could be a step towards reconciliation and acknowledgment of the historical injustices.

5. *Diverse National Identity*: Australia is a diverse nation with a rich tapestry of cultures. Choosing a date that represents unity and inclusion for all Australians can better reflect the country's multicultural identity.

6. *Shift in Public Opinion*: There is a growing awareness and support for changing the date among Australians who recognize the need to respect Indigenous perspectives and promote a more inclusive national celebration.

7. *International Perception*: Celebrating on a date associated with colonial history may affect how Australia is perceived internationally, potentially hindering efforts to foster positive relationships with Indigenous communities and other nations.

 

[bptiger 0]

I've compiled a short list of reasons why some
folks aren't as enthusiastic about celebrating
Australia day on the 26th for your consideration:

1. *Cultural Insensitivity*: The date marks the arrival of the First Fleet in 1788, which led to the dispossession and suffering of Indigenous Australians. Celebrating on this date can be seen as culturally insensitive.

2. *Invasion Day Perspective*: For many Indigenous Australians, January 26th is known as "Invasion Day" or "Survival Day," highlighting the negative impact of European colonization on their communities.

3. *Historical Trauma*: The date represents a painful history for Indigenous people, including violence, forced removal of children, and the destruction of their cultures. Celebrating on this day may perpetuate historical trauma.

4. *Call for Reconciliation*: Advocates for change argue that choosing a different, more inclusive date for Australia Day could be a step towards reconciliation and acknowledgment of the historical injustices.

5. *Diverse National Identity*: Australia is a diverse nation with a rich tapestry of cultures. Choosing a date that represents unity and inclusion for all Australians can better reflect the country's multicultural identity.

6. *Shift in Public Opinion*: There is a growing awareness and support for changing the date among Australians who recognize the need to respect Indigenous perspectives and promote a more inclusive national celebration.

7. *International Perception*: Celebrating on a date associated with colonial history may affect how Australia is perceived internationally, potentially hindering efforts to foster positive relationships with Indigenous communities and other nations.

Crap 💩

 

[rugbygoated]

Middle of winter? That’s a terrible time to have Oz Day. No wonder it was changed.

January is perfect. I'd be open to a change of date to the 25th. Don't think it's a big deal especially if it impacts an important community to Australia's history and identity where they can't celebrate their nation on the same day that invasion and genocide occurred. In saying that, I think it's ignorant to think that the civilisation that Australia has become (forced or not) is not something we should be sorry for, one of the best countries on Earth, and a lot of that is due to Western civilisation being brought here (at least pre-2010s)

 

[rugbygoated]

Isn’t ’Boomer’ a woke buzzword?

Ironically, this has also been 'redefined' to suit some agendas

 

[Kaito]

Crap 💩

Lol. You have the right to your opinion mate. I was
just outlining some points as to why some Aussies
aren't onbored with Australia day (26th, January)

 

[rugbygoated]

I'd change the date just so everyone can enjoy it again.
It's been a bit hijacked by bogans.
I wore a Malta t shirt to the Australia Day races at the Sunshine Coast a few years ago and copped bogan, Southern Cross tattooed abuse.

Nothing wrong with being proud of your nation (I actually feel proudest when I am outside the country and longing to return home) but excessive patriotism breeds racism and other negative attitudes

 

[rugbygoated]

How about the bogan who abused a Chinesa fella & his kid for fishing the other day. Crazy people lol.

How do we define bogan? Is it an attitude? Is it a person of white appearance being racist to someone else? An unemployed person? An uneducated person? What is the definition?

 

[rugbygoated]

T

Id say buzzword is one too

What does woke mean @GNR4LIFE ......curious to see how many different opinions we get on this.

Personally ive never been interested, I dont think ive ever used it as I dont know what it means

I'll try and adapt and grow with new things im interested in or things that affect me but whenever woke is used its usually things im not bothered with

The recent Woolies outrage is a massive overreaction. And I'm more of a centrist. Sales are down for it and it isn't even produced in Australia

 

[Kaito]

Nothing wrong with being proud of your nation (I actually feel proudest when I am outside the country and longing to return home) but excessive patriotism breeds racism and other negative attitudes

Tucker is going to come on here soon & raise
hell haha. Think I'm going to mute the thread 😆

 

[Tiger-ferret]

The thread would’ve derailed into a general Politics thread the way it was going.

I deleted all off-topic posts (not just yours) to prevent the closure of the thread, which users don’t like.

No targeting.

Appreciate the communication thank you

 

[rugbygoated]

How about the broader 1st nations people stop putting there hand out for everything and give the people who do must of the heavy lifting that gives them $ 60 odd billion every year , that would be a 1st , u can’t change the past so just get over it and maybe they might find peace

Why can't everyone be equal? It seems as a society the Indigenous/LGBT are privileged in their treatment based on historical events that most people in the current era had no influence over. Not only does it increase racism/homophobia by 'bringing awareness' (also known as virtue signalling) but it also doesn't make actual racist/homophobic people any more educated on the matter. Acting like the rest of society and keeping your head down instead of grandstanding your woke identity will lead to equality

 

[rugbygoated]

Tucker is going to come on here soon & raise
hell haha. Think I'm going to mute the thread 😆

Lol right vs left debates are toxic

 

[rugbygoated]

It's not going to stop man. Every Australia day will have this dark cloud over it until it's moved.

I want a proper Australia day back. If that means a simple movement of the date, who cares? It's just a date. Change it to 3rd friday or something so it's always a long weekend - true aussie style.

I just want to celebrate my nation. It's right. This nation has such a grand history and whether you like this nation or not it is one of the best in the world. That's a fact. Every institution, country and religion has some sort of blood on its hands in some way. We can go on and on about colonisation being bad in a moral sense (which it was), but the end result has led to a better society. Many native tribes not civilised eat their own people, have very strange cultural practices or religious customs and even attack any visitor on their island