Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[GNR4LIFE]

I see the dogs are at it again , looking to get the may brothers , I find it embarrassing for the nrl that the dogs can keep singing who ever comes available, who would need to have no brains to sign for the dogs , because if someone else comes available who’s better than you , then ur out , but there cap must be under stress

As long as they aren’t doing anything dodgy it’s none of the NRL’s business. Plus, it’s not like we haven’t for every big name on the market the last few years. They missed out on Luai, so are probably throwing his money at them.

 

[hammertime]

Can't make them stay. He chose to leave

This. We want people who want to be here. If the $100k difference is true, and he has walked after we gave him his start, which elevated his earnings, do we want to keep a bloke like that?

That is not how you build a premiership roster. It's born out of people wanting to be here. Buying into Benji's vision and being with your mates. Particularly relevant to the juniors who get their start in our jersey.

 

[jrtiger]

I see the dogs are at it again , looking to get the may brothers , I find it embarrassing for the nrl that the dogs can keep singing who ever comes available, who would need to have no brains to sign for the dogs , because if someone else comes available who’s better than you , then ur out , but there cap must be under stress

they have a stack of cap space. you have to remember Gus signs the majority of these players on 2 year contracts and rolls them in and out and keeps the ones that stick. they also don’t have a player on anything above $850k.

as for Terrell he’s a great player and no surprise the Dogs moved for him as he’s quality in a position they need. I’d expect them to move for Taylan once they move Fox on which I feel is a near certainty to happen. Tyrone has history with Ciraldo too, which does make him a chance of getting there.

 

[gregjm87]

I see the dogs are at it again , looking to get the may brothers , I find it embarrassing for the nrl that the dogs can keep singing who ever comes available, who would need to have no brains to sign for the dogs , because if someone else comes available who’s better than you , then ur out , but there cap must be under stress

They still have 10 roster spots for 2025. They havent spent big on anyone except Crichton. They should have heaps of cap space. Not sure what the issue is.

 

[crazycat]

What can I say...?
Groat was 110kgs..but mostly flab unfortunately.Wasnt ready for the toughness of the NRL ..got smashed out of the game,despite his bulk
Do u think Galvins body shape wont be targeted?Risk is thrown to the wolves too early without the resilience to withstand the inevitable..and loses his confidence
and lost forever

Flab does not get you injured.

I remember the game sped up and Groat just never had the pace to keep up. Oh how I wish we kept Fifita instead.

All said Groat proves what we have learned again and again for the last 10 years, The next "new talent" doesn't mean they will work in first grade. I was fortunately wrong re Bula, it seemed a shot in the dark. It worked out. Galvin could work out in first grade OR he could totally suck, likewise Fainu. Anyone who scores 3 tries in reggies has a blank slate in first grade.

But hey, try the "next big thing", Bula worked out incredibly well. Just have a fallback plan and don't re-arrange your entire team to accomodate any talent.

 

[tigertragic]

They still have 10 roster spots for 2025. They havent spent big on anyone except Crichton. They should have heaps of cap space. Not sure what the issue is.

I think
Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Fox would all be on solid money + creighton. Would all be about $600,000 to $750,000.
Plus the second rower (club captain) they tried to punt was reportedly on $600,000, which was the issue in trying to get rid of him (a bit like Nofa)
Wasn’t Burton just upgraded to his ‘true’ value or I think that’s what I read

 

[crazycat]

they have a stack of cap space. you have to remember Gus signs the majority of these players on 2 year contracts and rolls them in and out and keeps the ones that stick. they also don’t have a player on anything above $850k.

as for Terrell he’s a great player and no surprise the Dogs moved for him as he’s quality in a position they need. I’d expect them to move for Taylan once they move Fox on which I feel is a near certainty to happen. Tyrone has history with Ciraldo too, which does make him a chance of getting there.

Man Phil Gould is one person who can turn on the Charm and Flick a player when he needs.
Penrith made a smart move hiring him, and a smarter move Firing his arse.

I seriously hope the players wise up to what he is doing. 3-4 year contracts mean if they get injured they have something to build off. 1-2 year contracts mean they get thrown around.

 

[Todd Packer]

Seen Dragons want a hooker and Raiders denied the release of Zac Woolford. Maybe we should offer Jake Simpkin in exchange for Either Lomax or Ravalawa?

I'd be happy to trade Simpkin for a Saints ballboy. They have very good ballboys.

 

[Kaito]

I just don't see where Ngutlik fits in... whose he gonna start ahead of in cup? Alex Lobb, Brent Naden, Solomon Alaimalo, Declan Casey, David Nofoaluma? All of those guys have been training with the NRL squad too while Ngutlik been training with Wests which is kind of telling for me.

Not saying he'll dominate straight away, especially
coming off the reco less than a year ago. I just
see him getting a run soon & showing his value
Only just turned 23 as well. On a side note, think
Casey will play fullback & Alaimalo at centre,
Nado other centre if he doesn't start Rd.2 and
Lobb + Ngutlik on the wings is possible too

 

[bptiger 0]

They still have 10 roster spots for 2025. They havent spent big on anyone except Crichton. They should have heaps of cap space. Not sure what the issue is.

So they haven’t spend big on the other 2 Penrith players , the hooker from the eels , the fox and at least 5-6 more players , they might have 10 spots which I doubt, but there cap has to be in trouble

 

[gregjm87]

I think
Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Fox would all be on solid money + creighton. Would all be about $600,000 to $750,000.
Plus the second rower (club captain) they tried to punt was reportedly on $600,000, which was the issue in trying to get rid of him (a bit like Nofa)
Wasn’t Burton just upgraded to his ‘true’ value or I think that’s what I read

I think you would be right for all those players (except probably Addo-Carr just under 600K).
But none of those salaries are exorbitant and in line or lower than comparisons at every other club e.g. most clubs would have (at least) one half on as much or more as Burton, one hooker on as much or more as Mahoney and one if not two backrowers on as much or more as Kikau and RFM. The only salary I think would be above the starting position average is Addo-Carr and arguably Crichton.
The rest of their starting 13 would be well below what most teams are spending in their respective positions.

 

[gregjm87]

So they haven’t spend big on the other 2 Penrith players , the hooker from the eels , the fox and at least 5-6 more players , they might have 10 spots which I doubt, but there cap has to be in trouble

Depends what you call "big". As above I think they would be on par with most clubs for their high priced players and well below par for their rest of their best 17 players.

 

[crazycat]

I think
Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Fox would all be on solid money + creighton. Would all be about $600,000 to $750,000.
Plus the second rower (club captain) they tried to punt was reportedly on $600,000, which was the issue in trying to get rid of him (a bit like Nofa)
Wasn’t Burton just upgraded to his ‘true’ value or I think that’s what I read

The Dogs have to keep Burton... Halfbacks are just too valuable.

Kikau, Mahoney, Fox. They can find second rowers, Hookers and Wing's easily enough.
I would argue Fox is a good pickup but only at the right price.

Fast predictions:
Latu Fainu will be heavily targetted by the Bulldogs. Gould will keep his interest up.
Gould will ruthesly cut players, including Fox who is very loyal to the team.
I expect another tough year for Ciraldo, and perhaps us as well. The difference between the top 4 sides, the next 8 and the bottom straglers is HUGE.

 

[Juice]

I think
Kikau, Burton, Mahoney, Fox would all be on solid money + creighton. Would all be about $600,000 to $750,000.
Plus the second rower (club captain) they tried to punt was reportedly on $600,000, which was the issue in trying to get rid of him (a bit like Nofa)
Wasn’t Burton just upgraded to his ‘true’ value or I think that’s what I read

Kikau, Burton and Critta are all on over $800k each and when Fox signed he was the highest paid winger in the comp. I think they are still a long way off top 8 still as well

 

[gregjm87]

So they haven’t spend big on the other 2 Penrith players , the hooker from the eels , the fox and at least 5-6 more players , they might have 10 spots which I doubt, but there cap has to be in trouble

I'll go further (values from Zerotackle which I don't rate as a source but easiest to use for this).

Crichton: 825K. Bula: 700K
Kikau: 800K. Bateman: 750K
Burton: 750K. Luai: 1.2M
Mahoney: 600K. Api: 700K
Addo-Carr: 550K Nofo: 525K
F-Mariner: 600k. Papali'i: 600k

Total: 4.125M. Total: 4.475M

I then think our "5 or 6 more" including Utoikamanu, Klemmer, Pole, Twal, 2 X Fainu, Sullivan would be on much more than their 5 or 6 more of Preston, Sutton, Curran, Kiraz, Tracey, Olauapu, Mann.

Do this for any team and I think Dogs would be spending far less.

 

[bptiger 0]

I'll go further (values from Zerotackle which I don't rate as a source but easiest to use for this).

Crichton: 825K. Bula: 700K
Kikau: 800K. Bateman: 750K
Burton: 750K. Luai: 1.2M
Mahoney: 600K. Api: 700K
Addo-Carr: 550K Nofo: 525K
F-Mariner: 600k. Papali'i: 600k

Total: 4.125M. Total: 4.475M

I then think our "5 or 6 more" including Utoikamanu, Klemmer, Pole, Twal, 2 X Fainu, Sullivan would be on much more than their 5 or 6 more of Preston, Sutton, Curran, Kiraz, Tracey, Olauapu, Salmon.

Do this for any team and I think Dogs would be spending far less.

Ur not the accountant that the rosters use 🤔🤪

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

I'll go further (values from Zerotackle which I don't rate as a source but easiest to use for this).

Crichton: 825K. Bula: 700K
Kikau: 800K. Bateman: 750K
Burton: 750K. Luai: 1.2M
Mahoney: 600K. Api: 700K
Addo-Carr: 550K Nofo: 525K
F-Mariner: 600k. Papali'i: 600k

Total: 4.125M. Total: 4.475M

I then think our "5 or 6 more" including Utoikamanu, Klemmer, Pole, Twal, 2 X Fainu, Sullivan would be on much more than their 5 or 6 more of King, Preston, Sutton, Curran, Kiraz, Tracey.

Do this for any team and I think Dogs would be spending far less.

Thompson & Pangia Jr have left at the end of this year too and they definitely haven't signed anybody that meets their level of pay yet.

Also the salary cap went up, I would say the dogs are completely fine.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

I'll go further (values from Zerotackle which I don't rate as a source but easiest to use for this).

Crichton: 825K. Bula: 700K
Kikau: 800K. Bateman: 750K
Burton: 750K. Luai: 1.2M
Mahoney: 600K. Api: 700K
Addo-Carr: 550K Nofo: 525K
F-Mariner: 600k. Papali'i: 600k

Total: 4.125M. Total: 4.475M

I then think our "5 or 6 more" including Utoikamanu, Klemmer, Pole, Twal, 2 X Fainu, Sullivan would be on much more than their 5 or 6 more of Preston, Sutton, Curran, Kiraz, Tracey, Olauapu, Mann.

Do this for any team and I think Dogs would be spending far less.

They still have Thompson on stupid coin ($800k) don't they?
And in my mind they paid more for Mahoney than we did for Api. But you're not wrong, they still have cap to spare because their halves cupboard is real bare.

 

[KingRobbie]

They still have Thompson on stupid coin ($800k) don't they?
And in my mind they paid more for Mahoney than we did for Api. But you're not wrong, they still have cap to spare because their halves cupboard is real bare.

Thompson gone, went back to Super League.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

They still have Thompson on stupid coin ($800k) don't they?
And in my mind they paid more for Mahoney than we did for Api. But you're not wrong, they still have cap to spare because their halves cupboard is real bare.

Thompson has gone back to the ESL.