OFFICIAL Lachlan Galvin #277 *Released* Career Discussion.

[tiger_one]

Benji, Morris, Farah and Heigho are all in the business of winning football matches and they will perish if they don’t . So I guess they are going to pick the best 17 they have at their disposal. So if Galvin gets picked Benji sees him as the best option.

Personally I think Sezer is the player with the most question marks. Will he be able to keep up with the pace of the game now and will he be up to the physical challenges. Will his experience and kicking game take us up the ladder. I have my doubts

I hear what you're saying.
But the half back is where things start and finish, for me.
Sezer v. Wakeham - surely this has to be better.
Sezer v. Brooks - consistent field placement and kicking game (hopeful I am) v. sporadic flair
And Sezer replaced by Bud if form dictates.
Just has to be a better team outcome.

 

[Vicious]

No... Vicious says the first team will be the strong one

My suspicion is both our trial teams will be close to full strength, different to last year when our first trial team only contained a couple of NRL regulars.
Let’s wait and see.

 

[Vicious]

@Vicious, is this what you meant?

Yes it was frustrating seeing lower grade journeyman with no chance of playing NRL being selected in our NSW Cup Team ahead of younger much more talented players who could have been fast tracking their development with valuable experience against men instead of playing against their own age group.
Anyway that was last season, we got rid of that dinosaur coach hopefully it’s done with a much better common sense approach in 2024.

 

[Tucker]

Yes it was frustrating seeing lower grade journeyman with no chance of playing NRL being selected in our NSW Cup Team ahead of younger much more talented players who could have been fast tracking their development with valuable experience against men instead of playing against their own age group.
Anyway that was last season, we got rid of that dinosaur coach hopefully it’s done with a much better common sense approach in 2024.

I agree to a point, noting that 4 or 5 of the young guns did debut in firsts last year. I am just weary of going too far the other way and damaging them.

 

[Vicious]

Benji, Morris, Farah and Heigho are all in the business of winning football matches and they will perish if they don’t . So I guess they are going to pick the best 17 they have at their disposal. So if Galvin gets picked Benji sees him as the best option.

Personally I think Sezer is the player with the most question marks. Will he be able to keep up with the pace of the game now and will he be up to the physical challenges. Will his experience and kicking game take us up the ladder. I have my doubts

This post from supercoach has absolutely nailed it.
Barring injury or poor form on the trials I’d say Sezer is almost certain to start as our NRL halfback in round 2 based on the fact that it was Benji’s call to sign him for his experience and kicking game.
As supercoach has eluded to I agree and also have doubts that an ageing Sezer will handle the week to week physical nature of the NRL and have doubts his ageing body has the ability to run the ball and cause the opposing defence any concerns.
Personally I’m a big fan of Jayden Sullivan’s ability and called for his signing long before it actually happened. I believe he has a very similar playing style to Scott Prince who was undoubtedly our best ever Wests Tigers halfback.
Adding to this equation is the undoubted rising talents of Latu Fainu and Lachie Galvin who some believe are the most talented of the 4 halves available to us in 2024.

 

[tiger_one]

My suspicion is both our trial teams will be close to full strength, different to last year when our first trial team only contained a couple of NRL regulars.
Let’s wait and see.

Historically, trial teams are a mix.

eg last year, against Canberra, the Wests Tigers team included relative unknowns in Scolari, Reilly, Wakeham, Tumeth, Matamua, Bula, Hill, Peni, Feledy, Faagutu, James, Vaihu, Camroux, Fainu, Ngatikaura, Tanous and Sukkar.

2022 trial lists included Dillon, Pauga, Madden plus heaps more on an extended bench

2021 trial lists included Roberts-Davis, Tyronne Roberts-Davis, Zac Cini, Reece Hoffman, Allan Fitzgibbon, Daine Laurie, Jock Madden, Kiah Cooper, Tyler Field, Ky Rodwell, Zach Dockar-Clay, Edenn Rogers-Smith, Iverson Fuatimau, Joe Taipari, William Kei, Logen Dillon, Israel Ogden, Curtis Wilson, Liam Scolari, Austin Dias, Regan Hughes, Semisi Kioa, Etuale Lui, Mavoni Tuifua, Daniel Sykes, Billy Stapleton

And so on.
Trials are just that
Trials.
Opportunities for clubs to see who are where in their development.
I have always attended trials hoping to see the "stars" and have invariably come away half satisfied.

 

[Kaito]

2021 trial lists included Roberts-Davis, Tyronne Roberts-Davis, Zac Cini, Reece Hoffman, Allan Fitzgibbon, Daine Laurie, Jock Madden, Kiah Cooper, Tyler Field, Ky Rodwell, Zach Dockar-Clay, Edenn Rogers-Smith, Iverson Fuatimau, Joe Taipari, William Kei, Logen Dillon, Israel Ogden, Curtis Wilson, Liam Scolari, Austin Dias, Regan Hughes, Semisi Kioa, Etuale Lui, Mavoni Tuifua, Daniel Sykes, Billy Stapleton

2 jailbirds, few cup players & scaffolders haha.
We sure knew how to pick them a few yrs ago

 

[twentyforty]

This post from supercoach has absolutely nailed it.
Barring injury or poor form on the trials I’d say Sezer is almost certain to start as our NRL halfback in round 2 based on the fact that it was Benji’s call to sign him for his experience and kicking game.
As supercoach has eluded to I agree and also have doubts that an ageing Sezer will handle the week to week physical nature of the NRL and have doubts his ageing body has the ability to run the ball and cause the opposing defence any concerns.
Personally I’m a big fan of Jayden Sullivan’s ability and called for his signing long before it actually happened. I believe he has a very similar playing style to Scott Prince who was undoubtedly our best ever Wests Tigers halfback.
Adding to this equation is the undoubted rising talents of Latu Fainu and Lachie Galvin who some believe are the most talented of the 4 halves available to us in 2024.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Benji had one of those young halves on the bench round 2. Luke Brooks was 18 when playing his first game.

 

[ancient_magpie]

It wouldn’t surprise me if Benji had one of those young halves on the bench round 2. Luke Brooks was 18 when playing his first game.

The fg trials should be for first graders and 3 or4 fringe first graders.the rest should play in the reserve grade trials that's why we have reserve grade trials.

 

[Kelce68]

My argument is nothing to do with Galvin, it’s about the many so called experts on here who keep stating young players aged around 18/19 cannot be ready for NRL.
Geez the Roosters must be idiots for making the likes of Sualii and Walker NRL regulars at such a young age.
Maybe you can call Trent Robinson and tell him he knows nothing about player development.

so called experts on here who keep stating young players aged around 18/19 cannot be ready for NRL.

Adding 'so-called experts' as a slight to those who have been countering your arguments is a weak shot at the people refuting your claims. You haven't been able to persuade the matters with your argument, so you've reverted to silly name calling here as a subversive way to gain the upper hand in these discussions. It's very average.

keep stating young players aged around 18/19 cannot be ready for NRL

Again, you've misrepresented what people have said. You've done it so many times now it must surely be deliberate.

You've bled your 'age metric' out to include 19 as well now - that's new.
No-one has said that 18/19 year olds cannot be ready for first grade - literally no one.
The point is, as many have now pointed out to you, that there are a number of factors that lead to one's readiness, with experience and more importantly, ability to hold their own against grown men, is most likely the major determinate in regards to whether they are ready or not. Physical development would be a close second. With junior form or trial form perhaps a distant third.

Galvin has not the experience against grown men, much less shown the ability to do well in that space.
Neither has he developed physically enough it seems to be quite up to the demands required at the top level just yet.

Latu is also 18.
He has experience against men in NSW and even at Test level. He has also shown that he can more than hold his own, at least in reserves, albeit a small sample size.
He is also well ahead of Lachlan physically.


Maybe you can call Trent Robinson and tell him he knows nothing about player development.

Ignoring the fact this is a blatant 'appeal to authority' fallacy, it's got absolutely nothing to do with what's being discussed.

Robinson is a joke. That roster he's had at his disposal and they haven't finished Top 4 for the last 3 seasons.

But that is an entirely different argument for another thread...

 

[Vicious]

Adding 'so-called experts' as a slight to those who have been countering your arguments is a weak shot at the people refuting your claims. You haven't been able to persuade the matters with your argument, so you've reverted to silly name calling here as a subversive way to gain the upper hand in these discussions. It's very average.



Again, you've misrepresented what people have said. You've done it so many times now it must surely be deliberate.

You've bled your 'age metric' out to include 19 as well now - that's new.
No-one has said that 18/19 year olds cannot be ready for first grade - literally no one.
The point is, as many have now pointed out to you, that there are a number of factors that lead to one's readiness, with experience and more importantly, ability to hold their own against grown men, is most likely the major determinate in regards to whether they are ready or not. Physical development would be a close second. With junior form or trial form perhaps a distant third.

Galvin has not the experience against grown men, much less shown the ability to do well in that space.
Neither has he developed physically enough it seems to be quite up to the demands required at the top level just yet.

Latu is also 18.
He has experience against men in NSW and even at Test level. He has also shown that he can more than hold his own, at least in reserves, albeit a small sample size.
He is also well ahead of Lachlan physically.


Maybe you can call Trent Robinson and tell him he knows nothing about player development.

Ignoring the fact this is a blatant 'appeal to authority' fallacy, it's got absolutely nothing to do with what's being discussed.

Robinson is a joke. That roster he's had at his disposal and they haven't finished Top 4 for the last 3 seasons.

But that is an entirely different argument for another thread...

Ok so based on your point of view Sam Walker should not have played NRL as yet as he is a lightweight and not yet physically developed in line with other NRL players.
Funnily enough he would command somewhere up around 800k possibly more if he was on the open market.

 

[Kelce68]

You might not realise it from your vantage point but Vicious is being bombarded with comments from a bunch of folks who aren't capable of framing their comments without sounding like they're being insulting and then when called out on it are masters of strawmanning and shifting the goal posts. I can absolutely see why the guy is frustrated and it's hilarious that it's the same old posters that have chased away everyone else doing it and then cheering and hi fiving each other.

Here's an idea. If someone is vocalising your negative opinion on your behalf, hit the like button on their post and move on. Replying with the exact same opinion as someone else just forces Vicious to reply with the same answer 5 times and then get accused of being obsessive.

Bullshit.

Go back and actually read the responses to Vicious' posts. They were systematically pulled apart for a variety of legitimate reasons. Furthermore, they were responded to carefully and without fallacies, unlike his responses.

He has generally conducted himself well in this thread, but has had some terrible arguments that many others have, mostly respectfully, critiqued. That's what a forum is for.

Vicious is a great contributor on here, but there are times when all of us have ideas that are pushed back on.

And rightly so.

 

[Kelce68]

The NSW cup team selections were atrocious. The entire year was a developmental waste of time. Other clubs were playing their gun juniors in NSW cup ala Fainu and co. but we held them back.

Agree.

 

[jrtiger]

As supercoach has eluded to I agree and also have doubts that an ageing Sezer will handle the week to week physical nature of the NRL and have doubts his ageing body has the ability to run the ball and cause the opposing defence any concerns.

they're very real concerns, of course, but I think the style of play Marshall wants will suit Sezer. he can easily play within structure and go thru the processes when nothing's on, but then call for the footy and play flat and fast when he sees something. his short kicking and passing game should open up plenty of opportunities for us this year, his biggest issue will be defensively.

 

[Kelce68]

Ok so based on your point of view Sam Walker should not have played NRL as yet as he is a lightweight and not yet physically developed in line with other NRL players.
Funnily enough he would command somewhere up around 800k possibly more if he was on the open market.

That's not my point of view.

If we're being consistent, my point of view would be, if Sam Walker, at age 18, was picked simply because he had an outstanding trial game or two, then it would be for the wrong reasons.

But, as I mentioned, these decisions are not made in a vacuum. There is context behind why Sam Walker made his debut at 18, which, you could argue hasn't been a rousing success, he was dropped for a large portion of last year, then got injured. The context includes; the quality of the squad around him, the availability of other halves in the squad, the plan around defence, how well can he be hidden? Has he had Q or NSW Cup experience (he had, he'd played for North Sydney before his debut in 21'), etc.

 

[gregjm87]

You stated 1 or 2 decent trial performances, I stated stand out trial performances, they are very different.
I happen to rate both Sullivan and Latu Fainu very highly, so I would also be somewhat surprised if Lachie Galvin starts the 2024 NRL season ahead of either one of them, but I’m reliably told the recent newspaper article is not BS, it’s a very close call at the moment, pending what happens in the trials.

Cooper Johns was the best player in all the trials last year. Doueihi was Tigers best trialist last year. Rua the year before.
Trial form doesn't mean anything.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

You might not realise it from your vantage point but Vicious is being bombarded with comments from a bunch of folks who aren't capable of framing their comments without sounding like they're being insulting and then when called out on it are masters of strawmanning and shifting the goal posts. I can absolutely see why the guy is frustrated and it's hilarious that it's the same old posters that have chased away everyone else doing it and then cheering and hi fiving each other.

Here's an idea. If someone is vocalising your negative opinion on your behalf, hit the like button on their post and move on. Replying with the exact same opinion as someone else just forces Vicious to reply with the same answer 5 times and then get accused of being obsessive.

I could see it and get it which is why framed my response the way I did.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Yes it was frustrating seeing lower grade journeyman with no chance of playing NRL being selected in our NSW Cup Team ahead of younger much more talented players who could have been fast tracking their development with valuable experience against men instead of playing against their own age group.
Anyway that was last season, we got rid of that dinosaur coach hopefully it’s done with a much better common sense approach in 2024.

100% agree.

Last year it was frustrating seeing the NSW Cup selections & playing style which gave no one a chance to step up to NRL level. It was like we acted like 2 different organizations.

Hopefully we see major shifts and NSW Cup acts as a true feeder player/playing style etc to NRL

 

[Telltails]

I'll trust the process with Galvin. Some times a unique talent comes along that has the mental capacity and will to succeed at a level beyond their years. No doubt he will get a crack at some point and like all those before him transitioning to FG doubt that he won't be exposed to having some flaws and it will be how he responds that matters.

 

[gregjm87]

The goofiest part is that Galvin and Fainu are pretty much the same age. Fainu has played like 6 reserve grade games and one of them was at centre. Galvin probably would have but instead focused on playing the full possible extent of Schoolboys football and put together one of the greatest schoolboys runs ever. I can't think of a Tigers junior that had a more dominant Schoolboys career than him as I'm not entirely sure its possible to.

But besides the point the idea that an 18 year old won't be picked in the halves because of 1 or 2 trial matches is very funny given who our coach is. Hell Jahream Bula only played 3 NSW cup games. People need to get over this thinking NSW cup is a must on the way to first grade. If anything there's less of a correlation between playing it and being a genuine superstar than there is between skipping it and being one.

I don't think NSW cup is a must and do think an 18 yr old can easily perform in first grade. But that 18 yr old needs to have the appropriate physique.
Fainu is physically developed. Galvin is not.
Other factors also matter. What are tje physical demands of their position? Can adjustments be made to structures to protect their limitations? Can his inside man act as a body guard? Even under developed are they better than the alternative?
All things considered I believe it highly unlikely we see Galvin in NRL this year.