Sack Marshall

[Blocker1963]

Having Benji as coach was always going to be a difficult task for him, especially being inexperienced. But what I couldnt understand is 2 assistant coaches with no experience, especially Heighngton who had no game IQ, then chuck in Farah, Morris being the only experienced coach, they could do a lot worse that have Brad Arthur Come in as an assistant and back up.

 

[Tom Shines]

I will quote Phil Gould here, having looked up the 100% Footy stream today - he says the plan to have Sheens oversee Marshall's development for 2 years was a decent plan, but they probably made a mistake terminating Sheens too early and thrusting Benji into the fire.

That's a point I didn't consider deeply on the weekend, that it was still supposed to be Sheens coaching this year, but he was knifed due to bad performances. Not that Sheens was to be defended for 2023, but because terminating Sheens immediately put all that pressure and expectation onto Benji, at the same time as the club was about to undergo a complete restructure.

So to put it another way - 2022 Madge gets knifed for bad performance, Kimmorley comes in and the team crashes into a wooden spoon, Sheens is hired and gets knifed inside 12 months, now Benji is up and people want to knife him too. What's the next bloke supposed to do, pull an amazing handbrake and turn the club around in 1 season?

Gould also stressed that turning around cellar dwellars takes a long long long time and unfortunately nobody is willing to wait. Now of course Tigers fans will shout "we've been waiting 15 years" but the point is specifically about new personnel being afforded time to bring their plan to life, not being excessively burdened by the failures of others in the past.

I think Bulldogs will show you that even with top operators it takes years and years to get the team half-decent. Bulldogs were in 2020-2021 as bad as the Tigers are now (and would have had 2 wooden spoons if not for a shocking Broncos season), haven't made the finals since 2016, had 4 coaches during this period (plus 2 interims) and still haven't finished better than 11th in that 8-year period. Bulldogs are certainly going better in 2024 than many of the previous seasons, but they were still 3rd-last during Ciraldo's first season and basically recruited heavily from the Premiers to boost their side (as we are doing, just a few years behind).

I suspect Sheens was knifed because even Pascoe and Lee could work out that the game had past the old man by, and Benji was doing all the work anyway …of course that just corrected a mistake they shouldn’t have made in the first place when they appointed him…

Benji will get more time ..provided he doesn’t lose the team … this is the reason why a lot of coaches get knifed ,,like Madge …

 

[Jolls]

Sure, we appointed a coach with limited experience but really what of it. We play a simple game with a few variations that anyone who has played at an elite level is across. As are the players, they aren't being selected in first grade, for any club, without that foundation.

What it comes down to as a coach is moulding these skills into a coordinated effect. There are different approaches to achieving the effect; depending on the circumstances and the playing group one may be more effective than another. Have a look at Ciraldo last year, labelled the biggest dud ever on here by many. Not hearing much about him from the naysayers now.

So what is the difference between the dogs under Ciraldo last year and this year? The playing roster. Any talk of replacing Benji this year is ludicrous. We are in year one of yet another rebuild, year one under a Richo led board, year one of a roster rebuild.

I know this has been the same for the last ten years. Whinge all you want, it isn't going to change reality.

Benji will coach in 2025. Stop being alarmist and strap in for what we all knew was going ro be a bumpy ride.

 

[Tiga]

Sure, we appointed a coach with limited experience but really what of it. We play a simple game with a few variations that anyone who has played at an elite level is across. As are the players, they aren't being selected in first grade, for any club, without that foundation.

What it comes down to as a coach is moulding these skills into a coordinated effect. There are different approaches to achieving the effect; depending on the circumstances and the playing group one may be more effective than another. Have a look at Ciraldo last year, labelled the biggest dud ever on here by many. Not hearing much about him from the naysayers now.

So what is the difference between the dogs under Ciraldo last year and this year? The playing roster. Any talk of replacing Benji this year is ludicrous. We are in year one of yet another rebuild, year one under a Richo led board, year one of a roster rebuild.

I know this has been the same for the last ten years. Whinge all you want, it isn't going to change reality.

Benji will coach in 2025. Stop being alarmist and strap in for what we all knew was going ro be a bumpy ride.

Another bumpy ride???
Who needs it!

 

[clontarfkid]

Think Benji needs to go. If we dont qin a game in the ne t two rounds i cant see them winning another game. He is not ready. Need an experienced coach asap.

Benji needs to see out the
season,and then we make a considered fact based decision on who replaces him and when....not in a rush ,nor on the back of a beer coaster and 3 bottles of vino (each)at Grappa!!!!
Easily the dumbest thing Ive ever seen in the NRL!

 

[Tiga]

Benji needs to see out the vseason,and then we make a considered decision on who replaces him and when....not on the back of a beer coaster and 3 bottles of vino at Grappa!!!!
The dumbest think Ive ever seen in the NRL!

Waddya reckon?
Go for 20 straight losses???

 

[BAGNF05]

I'm not advocating for Benji to be sacked (though I thought the appointment of he and Sheens was foolish) and I also think we've a poor squad. But, as well as Api and Bula there is (was) 2 international backrowers. A front rower who reportedly has several clubs chasing him. A young forward that has outperformed the 3 above. A former centre of the year. It is disingenuous to say only the 2 are first grade quality.
Additionally Benji (alongside Sheens) is largely responsible for the roster. We sacked Madge who was hamstrung by an out of sorts cap whilst Benji has no such excuse. I think it's fair to give him to mid next season given his marquee signing is yet to arrive but he still should well and truly be under pressure as it stands.

Benji had plenty of excuses working under dumb & dumber.

We’re 6 months post dumpster fire.

 

[clontarfkid]

Waddya reckon?
Go for 20 straight losses???

Regrettably I think we will rack up 20 straight losses..cant see us beating anybody atm...but last thing i wanna do i take the coaching leftovers from Eels recruitment process...because they are not the step jump we need post Benji.
Plus we need to make the reasons for Benjis firing very transparent to the marketplace...20 str8 losses will do that...clear we made a hiring mistake,gave him an opportunity,and now we need to move forward

 

[BAGNF05]

Having Benji as coach was always going to be a difficult task for him, especially being inexperienced. But what I couldnt understand is 2 assistant coaches with no experience, especially Heighngton who had no game IQ, then chuck in Farah, Morris being the only experienced coach, they could do a lot worse that have Brad Arthur Come in as an assistant and back up.

Arthur is Madge rebadged. It comes down to the roster, not coach. Coach should be judged if and when he has a roster.

 

[Tiga]

Regrettably I think we will rack up 20 straight losses..cant see us beating anybody atm...but last thing i wanna do i take the coaching leftovers from Eels recruitment process...because they are not the step jump we need post Benji.
Plus we need to make the reasons for Benjis firing very transparent to the marketplace...20 str8 losses will do that...clear we made a hiring mistake,gave him an opportunity,and now we need to move forward

Hahaha...
NO other club would tolerate 10 straight losses!
To accept 20 straight losses in the NRL, and we are talking of 20 straight losses in the NRL, is beyond comprehension, and just total insanity
We need to STOP accepting defeat, correct the issue promptly, or at least make attempt to do so until we get the winning result

 

[SeanT]

And how does sacking Benji in 2 games or getting an experienced coach help us?

We had Madge and Sheens not long ago - that didn’t work.

We have half our squad out injured or suspended and zero depth. Expecting to win games in that situation when we can’t win games with our full squad is unrealistic.

Sheens had a rubbish record for years. Shouldnt of signed him in the first place. Madge was hamstrung by the board alot to be honest, however, he couldnt adjust his gameplan either.

We have had 14 rounds and I havnt seen a attacking structure.

9 losses in a row to mediocre teams fpr most of then is unacceptable.

 

[bptiger 0]

Richo is very good friends with Bennett, now I am sure he new he wanted to continue coaching, why the hell didn’t we go hard for him with benji as his of sider , if we had got Bennett no one would have been asking for a release, they would have been knocking the door down to come here , it would have been MONEY well spent

 

[BAGNF05]

Richo is very good friends with Bennett, now I am sure he new he wanted to continue coaching, why the hell didn’t we go hard for him with benji as his of sider , if we had got Bennett no one would have been asking for a release, they would have been knocking the door down to come here , it would have been MONEY well spent

I don’t think Wayne has a rebuild in him.

 

[bptiger 0]

I don’t think Wayne has a rebuild in him.

Did well at the dolphins, and next year we did have a decent spine

 

[Halbrowne61]

I don’t think Wayne has a rebuild in him.

We had a chance with Bennett years ago but he went elsewhere, obviously no interest from him since then.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We had a chance with Bennett years ago but he went elsewhere, obviously no interest from him since then.

There is no way he would ever step foot into our joint with our board. Not then, not now.

 

[Lebanese_Coach_aspiration]

I know the story.

I'm simply saying that arguably the best coach of the modern era was available from the next year and all we had to do was wait it out, but the club saw it your way and hired someone else to take over mid season instead.

Honest question: Putting aside Bennett being sacked as that was an unknown at the time, would you have preferred to wait it out and now we have Bennett? Or do what we did?

Your scenario has already played out. 2 wooden spoons and a 3rd one coming.

My scenario...we'll never know, but the Dolphins sit 4th right now.

Dont think Wayne would have come to us unless there were no other option.
He went to souths because he was connected to the place and got along with them last time.
If it was us or eels he would have chosen eels due to their squad strength. Bennett is a coach that wants to coach good rosters and we cant compare to eels. At least on paper (I think they are getting a bit old and heavy in reality, doggs ran them ragged yesterday).

 

[rozelle_rudy]

Arthur is Madge rebadged. It comes down to the roster, not coach. Coach should be judged if and when he has a roster.

Good coaches build good rosters. Good players are hard to attract if the coach has a poor reputation.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

Then money talks

 

[BAGNF05]

Did well at the dolphins, and next year we did have a decent spine

They nailed it with recruitment, bought a culture from Melbourne. The hammer exceeded everyone’s expectations. The guy knows players better than anyone. It’ll still take that team a few years to win a finals game imo.