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Bateman was roumered to have said that Benji treats the Senior players like Juniors and the Junior players like Seniors...

I don't know if this is true, but it is far past the time Richo gets an exit strategy for Benji. I am hoping that Benji can be moved to coach New Zealand for a few years... I really REALLY hope we are not going to try Benji with Luai and the rest next year. We don't need 6-9 months of coming 17th for another year to see this isn't working.
 
crazycat said:
Bateman was roumered to have said that Benji treats the Senior players like Juniors and the Junior players like Seniors...

I don't know if this is true, but it is far past the time Richo gets an exit strategy for Benji. I am hoping that Benji can be moved to coach New Zealand for a few years... I really REALLY hope we are not going to try Benji with Luai and the rest next year. We don't need 6-9 months of coming 17th for another year to see this isn't working.
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I have no doubt Benji will be there next year with Morris and a newly appointed (and more experienced) second assistant coach. There is no way the club is going to create more coaching upheaval, especially with Luai's intro to the club.

There will definitely be recruitment movement in the offseason. people on here keep citing the ''off contract'' players but it will be contracted players who become available as clubs manage their salary caps. I reckon our side will continue to strengthen with these new acquisitions.
 
crazycat said:
Bateman was roumered to have said that Benji treats the Senior players like Juniors and the Junior players like Seniors...

I don't know if this is true, but it is far past the time Richo gets an exit strategy for Benji. I am hoping that Benji can be moved to coach New Zealand for a few years... I really REALLY hope we are not going to try Benji with Luai and the rest next year. We don't need 6-9 months of coming 17th for another year to see this isn't working.
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I understand the sentiment but in this state no coach is going to get massive improvement out of this squad.
If Benji is willing to take the team whilst we are rock bottom, I say let it play out. Ask yourself this as I know a lot of talk has been about St George’s improvement and Flanno’s influence.
How high would Flanno get us? Would we win a premiership with this exact roster and a premiership winning coach?
If the answer is no what’s the point changing until we start to see something that can form that vision.
That’s when you ask yourself do we need a new coach with some fresh ideas etc to get the extra inch out of the squad like the cowboys did when they changed up the hard edged Neil Henry for the new age Paul Green.
The Knights scrapped Nathan Brown two seasons after they got 3 spoons (brown himself got 2 of the 3) and replaced him with then Roosters assistant Adam O’Brien. The Knights since that time have made it as high as 5 at the end of the regular season. Has Adam O’Brien been a successful coach for the Knights?
Fitzgibbon has come in and immediately transformed the sharks to a Top 4 side. If they continue in this fashion for another couple of years and don’t make the big dance Fitzgibbon’s appointment will start to look like a failure.
Likewise Ricky at the Raiders.
The ultimate goal is to win the trophy everything else is a non achievement.
 
crazycat said:
Bateman was roumered to have said that Benji treats the Senior players like Juniors and the Junior players like Seniors...

I don't know if this is true, but it is far past the time Richo gets an exit strategy for Benji. I am hoping that Benji can be moved to coach New Zealand for a few years... I really REALLY hope we are not going to try Benji with Luai and the rest next year. We don't need 6-9 months of coming 17th for another year to see this isn't working.
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Luai is coming to play for Benji
 
crazycat said:
Bateman was roumered to have said that Benji treats the Senior players like Juniors and the Junior players like Seniors...

I don't know if this is true, but it is far past the time Richo gets an exit strategy for Benji. I am hoping that Benji can be moved to coach New Zealand for a few years... I really REALLY hope we are not going to try Benji with Luai and the rest next year. We don't need 6-9 months of coming 17th for another year to see this isn't working.
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So your sacking Benji off the back of a rumoured comment made by the worst player in the team (all things considered) when that said player was going to get dropped? This week's actions strengthens Benji's position as coach. Don't get me wrong, I still feel it's a long shot Benji will turn us around, but axing underperforming highly paid senior players is the right move. It's also a really big and significant move.
 
crazycat said:
Bateman was roumered to have said that Benji treats the Senior players like Juniors and the Junior players like Seniors...

I don't know if this is true, but it is far past the time Richo gets an exit strategy for Benji. I am hoping that Benji can be moved to coach New Zealand for a few years... I really REALLY hope we are not going to try Benji with Luai and the rest next year. We don't need 6-9 months of coming 17th for another year to see this isn't working.
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Even though the younger players are virtually carrying the side??Bateman, Klemmer and Douehi have been abysmal.
 
king_sirro said:
So your sacking Benji off the back of a rumoured comment made by the worst player in the team (all things considered) when that said player was going to get dropped? This week's actions strengthens Benji's position as coach. Don't get me wrong, I still feel it's a long shot Benji will turn us around, but axing underperforming highly paid senior players is the right move. It's also a really big and significant move.
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I'm absolutely not convinced Benji is the answer as coach but giving bloody Bateman the arsehole is a long, long way down the list of reasons why. It's not on it, in fact.
 
crazycat said:
Bateman was roumered to have said that Benji treats the Senior players like Juniors and the Junior players like Seniors...

I don't know if this is true, but it is far past the time Richo gets an exit strategy for Benji. I am hoping that Benji can be moved to coach New Zealand for a few years... I really REALLY hope we are not going to try Benji with Luai and the rest next year. We don't need 6-9 months of coming 17th for another year to see this isn't working.
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Or ….. being the captain you don’t drop the ball off the kick off twice. Force offloads when attrition and grind is required . Don’t [This word has been automatically removed] and moan at every single non call you get . Sure Lualiii dropped 2 balls for 2 tries and that was the game , but the senior players are usually the ones getting binned , giving away dumb penalties , and going missing .
If he’s saying that Benji holds the senior players to a higher standard ? Well yea they’re all on 600k +++ what do they think the money is for ?
Seriously if any of you senior players are reading this , than pull your head in . Because , you’re the reason we are in this mess . Not the kids ! And if Galvin is held to a higher standard and propped up . Well it’s because of the kids work rate on the field . Actually watch him ! He runs all game , and is always somewhere near where he’s supposed to be .
I like Bateman , ie the fire and passion . But if it’s fueled by self interest , than that is the worst . Because not only are you a dislikable dickhead on the field , but you’re one off it . Literally the worst combo of personality traits !
 
Lestronge said:
Or ….. being the captain you don’t drop the ball off the kick off twice. Force offloads when attrition and grind is required . Don’t [This word has been automatically removed] and moan at every single non call you get . Sure Lualiii dropped 2 balls for 2 tries and that was the game , but the senior players are usually the ones getting binned , giving away dumb penalties , and going missing .
If he’s saying that Benji holds the senior players to a higher standard ? Well yea they’re all on 600k +++ what do they think the money is for ?
Seriously if any of you senior players are reading this , than pull your head in . Because , you’re the reason we are in this mess . Not the kids ! And if Galvin is held to a higher standard and propped up . Well it’s because of the kids work rate on the field . Actually watch him ! He runs all game , and is always somewhere near where he’s supposed to be .
I like Bateman , ie the fire and passion . But if it’s fueled by self interest , than that is the worst . Because not only are you a dislikable dickhead on the field , but you’re one off it . Literally the worst combo of personality traits !
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The problem is we only have a small number snr players relative to our competition. If you are getting pummeled every week and you’re feeling you’re trying pretty hard, then I don’t blame batemans reaction if he was having a weak moment.

The quality of the squad is the problem so perhaps benji should be supporting the snr players rather than singling them out.

What ever experience we had is now out the door or completely demotivated.
 
Wiz said:
Agree with Horsburgh and Hetherington. Tough and won’t cost too much. I would expect to get them both (combined) for less than the $800k we have offered Stef.

I know they both have anger issues but they are the only realistically obtainable targets that excite me in any way.

It’s going to be hard for us to attract talent without paying too much.
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To be honest anger issues are the only things that make our games mildly interesting 😅
 
mtd#2 said:
How can you say Douehi has been abysmal. The guys come back after a year and a half off and done pretty well considering
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No he hasn't.

Whilst it's a nice story (his recovery), his defence on his return has shown very little improvement from what it always has been. He's made on average 11 tackles per game, missing around two per match. What this doesn't show, though, is both misreads on the edge and lack of effort plays, like cover tackles, chasing half/clean breaks, etc.

At 25 years of age, having played near on 100 NRL games, he should have improved immensely in this area, regardless of time off. In fact, he has had more time than most to reflect on the insufficiencies in his game and come up with a plan to improve. This includes communication and organising his edge, regardless of who is inside or outside of him. Far too often, he continues to take the easy option and look to blame everyone else when his edge falls apart.

He remains a strong ball runner who loves to go himself and is a threat near the line or in broken field play and I'm glad he's back in the rotation.

But until he gets fair dinkum about the other side of his game without the ball, he'll forever be stuck as a mediocre footballer. He's in the same boat as Starford To'a.
 
Agree with much of what you say, but for me the most disappointing thing about him is his spruiking about standards and the fact that he is not living up to those standards himself.

Very reminiscent of Nofo the way he was vocal about the errors and defensive issues of players around him while being guilty of those very things himself, while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that he was part of the problem.
 
So you are saying that he is fast?

Genuine question, I haven't seen enough of him in space to be able to determine whether he is some sort of speedster or not, the general impression I have been getting on here is that he doesn't have genuine pace.
 
hank37w said:
Agree with much of what you say, but for me the most disappointing thing about him is his spruiking about standards and the fact that he is not living up to those standards himself.

Very reminiscent of Nofo the way he was vocal about the errors and defensive issues of players around him while being guilty of those very things himself, while at the same time refusing to acknowledge that he was part of the problem.
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I think Benji is getting a lot of our players offside cause he is actually trying to cause change and force new standards on everyone. He is very forward in his approach and doesn’t sugar coat, similar to Madge in that regard.

You saw it with the Bulldog players last year, a lot of them were put off by the harsh methods of Cameron Ciraldo to the point many left if they didn’t want to buy in. We are seeing the same thing here.

And in my opinion it doesn’t matter if you’re experienced or not, if you aren’t living up to the standard and putting your best foot forward you don’t deserve the treatment reserved for experienced players. A 20 year old in Samuela Fainu should not be showing you up week in week out in all facets of the game and the fact he has a problem with Benji treating people to the truth means he isn’t a fit for us.
 
WestsTigers4VR said:
I think Benji is getting a lot of our players offside cause he is actually trying to cause change and force new standards on everyone. He is very forward in his approach and doesn’t sugar coat, similar to Madge in that regard.

You saw it with the Bulldog players last year, a lot of them were put off by the harsh methods of Cameron Ciraldo to the point many left if they didn’t want to buy in. We are seeing the same thing here.

And in my opinion it doesn’t matter if you’re experienced or not, if you aren’t living up to the standard and putting your best foot forward you don’t deserve the treatment reserved for experienced players. A 20 year old in Samuela Fainu should not be showing you up week in week out in all facets of the game and the fact he has a problem with Benji treating people to the truth means he isn’t a fit for us.
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difference between dogs and tigers is that dogs can cut the deadwood lose and signed better than average first graders.

Perhaps calling out Bateman and him walking out this season will work out in our favour…but chances are we will be paying big $$ for him to play in England next year. Or worse, ressies for us.
 
The difference between the Dogs and Tigers I see, is their Coach and Co know what they are doing and it’s not about them. Our Coach and Co have no clue how to improve us and unfortunately it’s all about them at the moment.
 
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