Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[HabboTiger]

Really good point Chad.
I’m on the fence with Naden, has obvious talent but also has brain snaps that cost us. Personally I feel his snaps occured when he was out of his comfort zone a bit. His a big guy but I don’t see him as overly physical and might be why he shoulder charges in contact.
Whilst I don’t see him as a first choice player due to consistency he still exists as an X-factor and with consistency part of his development can become an important piece of our puzzle this season.
Probably salary is one of the corncerns though I doubt he is pushing anything more then high 3’s. in fact I expect all of our ‘undesirable back liners’ wouldn’t be on the cap for anything greater then 400k.

I’m optimistic that Jerome might be able to get more out of Nado

 

[Needaname]

Is this an example of the salary cap effect?​

Warriors last week move on a vet a year early (most likely at full freight)
Following that resign a up and comer in Ali Lauitii
And now resign DWZ before Nov 1.
Maybe all 3 were manageable until retaining and upgrades were required to both Lauitii and DWZ..

DWZ signs bumper new Warriors deal after etching his name into the history books: Transfer Centre​

 

[Ron Brodrick's Spirit]

There at least 10 other players ahead of Naden that should be moved on this pre season.

In terms of ability you are probably right, but Naden's on regular first grader money so he's the priority.

 

[crazycat]

Agree , the problem is when he got called up he all but cost us the game against the dogs by himself . He was beyond reprehensible! It would be hard for Benji to trust him again after that . He was disgusting . And he’s supposed to be a leader. Much like Bateman .

We can forget a single shocker of a game. Seriously it happens to us all and everyone will just have one now and then.

Brent Naden - Playing Career - RLP

A summary of the career stats for Brent Naden, a rugby league player who represented Indigenous, and also played for the Penrith Panthers, the Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs and the Wests Tigers.

www.rugbyleagueproject.org

but look at Naden's stats.

in 2022, he scored 5 tries for us and is a keeper. In 2024 he scored 1 and never really put in.
Contrast that with Staines who, while had more appearances at least crossed 9 times. https://www.zerotackle.com/players/charlie-staines/

For both Naden and Staines I want to see what kind of effect Luai has on them.

 

[Tigerstigerstigers]

We can forget a single shocker of a game. Seriously it happens to us all and everyone will just have one now and then.

Brent Naden - Playing Career - RLP

A summary of the career stats for Brent Naden, a rugby league player who represented Indigenous, and also played for the Penrith Panthers, the Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs and the Wests Tigers.

www.rugbyleagueproject.org

but look at Naden's stats.

in 2022, he scored 5 tries for us and is a keeper. In 2024 he scored 1 and never really put in.
Contrast that with Staines who, while had more appearances at least crossed 9 times. https://www.zerotackle.com/players/charlie-staines/

For both Naden and Staines I want to see what kind of effect Luai has on them.

whats weird is Naden was a stand out in reserve grade, outstanding each time i saw him. Horrible in firsts though.

 

[Odessa]

Agree. However I think the size difference is what made him hold back and try and laugh it off. He knew Mahoney deserved a hiding, but he couldn't be the one to give it to him no matter how badly he wanted to.

Got a question for you again

Was out at Panthers chatting to some mates and downing a few and we started talking about Ivan and how he had the Tigers playing they talk very highly of Ivan's coaching at the Tigers

They started saying that the Tigers must either be so toxic the culture or the coaching so bad that a good player arrives and turns to crap and a crap player leaves and there game goes up a few levels


The last few years do you think the coaching has been that bad ?

The coaching doesn't understand the players they have recruited?

Or the place is just a shit show?

 

[Tom Shines]

Got a question for you again

Was out at Panthers chatting to some mates and downing a few and we started talking about Ivan and how he had the Tigers playing they talk very highly of Ivan's coaching at the Tigers

They started saying that the Tigers must either be so toxic the culture or the coaching so bad that a good player arrives and turns to crap and a crap player leaves and there game goes up a few levels


The last few years do you think the coaching has been that bad ?

The coaching doesn't understand the players they have recruited?

Or the place is just a shit show?

I gotta question for you … when is Bizza signing ? What did the bar flies at Panthers have to say about that ?

 

[HowDugWT]

When we discuss the players to move on, nearly every conversation leads to Brent Naden.

I get it- pretty high price for a KOE guy.

Just won the KOE player's player.

I'm starting to lean on the idea that this is the kind of guy you WANT pushing the 1st grade players- someone that doesn't fall into KOE & just go through the numbers.

The bottom line is he isn't a first grade player at any club. But to be fair to Brent he played his socks for the Magpies and did deserve Player's player.
I loved watching him play KOE because of his spontaneous ball work and decision making but that simply doesn't slide in the NRL

 

[HowDugWT]

There were rumours floating around about this about 2 months ago when it came out that Will Craig was most likely headed to Penrith.

Have you heard something recently?

I am pretty sure Hassett has signed. I believe his agency posted it on their insta I think that is how the rumour got started. Or it was NBWT posting it on twitter and I trust his sources highly

 

[weststigers]

Got a question for you again

Was out at Panthers chatting to some mates and downing a few and we started talking about Ivan and how he had the Tigers playing they talk very highly of Ivan's coaching at the Tigers

They started saying that the Tigers must either be so toxic the culture or the coaching so bad that a good player arrives and turns to crap and a crap player leaves and there game goes up a few levels


The last few years do you think the coaching has been that bad ?

The coaching doesn't understand the players they have recruited?

Or the place is just a shit show?

I think successful coaches can implement a system and be successful almost anywhere under most conditions.

Cleary has been at 3 clubs and overachieved with us and Warriors, then took a stacked Penrith side to 5 grand finals winning 4.

Bennett usually gets teams up there. Like it or not, wherever Gould goes, he has the blueprint to build a successful team even if it's not from the coaches box these days.

Shane Flanagan is another you can't deny. Once he gets the roster he wants, St George will be in the 8 regularly.

I'll leave Bellamy and Robbo out of it because they are single club coaches (I think) or at least they have only coached a single side for 10+ years.

To answer your question, I just think you have the natural bell curve of any profession. It's not that people can or can't coach. It's that you are competing against the top 17 in that field. The top 3 coaches are ones that get consistent results. Yet I'm sure they have been out coached by coach 17 on occasion.

Our issue, First and foremost is our roster. 2025 will answer a lot of questions around whether or not Benji is good enough and/or where the gaps in our team lie.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Tigers_Wests]

I am pretty sure Hassett has signed. I believe his agency posted it on their insta I think that is how the rumour got started. Or it was NBWT posting it on twitter and I trust his sources highly

I know NBWT posted it on twitter, but he also stated in his post that it was a rumour. Hadn't heard his agency putting anything out there.

 

[Needaname]

Got a question for you again

Was out at Panthers chatting to some mates and downing a few and we started talking about Ivan and how he had the Tigers playing they talk very highly of Ivan's coaching at the Tigers

They started saying that the Tigers must either be so toxic the culture or the coaching so bad that a good player arrives and turns to crap and a crap player leaves and there game goes up a few levels


The last few years do you think the coaching has been that bad ?

The coaching doesn't understand the players they have recruited?

Or the place is just a shit show?

Did the above suggestion apply to Ivan when he was at the tigers.
Ie did he experience this toxic culture they speak of?

 

[user118245]

Feel like if an agency posts it, it is a done deal. Yet to see anything about it though

 

[Tito Santana]

When we discuss the players to move on, nearly every conversation leads to Brent Naden.

I get it- pretty high price for a KOE guy.

Just won the KOE player's player.

I'm starting to lean on the idea that this is the kind of guy you WANT pushing the 1st grade players- someone that doesn't fall into KOE & just go through the numbers.

Yes. Apparently his “line” speed is second to none….

 

[user118245]

Hasset is under same management as Benji, Jared Haywood, Heath Mason, Skelton, Sezer and Kimmorly as well as numerous former tigers including Laurie, Brandon Webster Mansfield, Taupau, William Kei, Michael Tannous, Tapa’atoutai and Terrell May.

 

[crazycat]

In terms of ability you are probably right, but Naden's on regular first grader money so he's the priority.

I get this argument, but it's sunk cost.

i.e. if Brent Naden is on 300k, we won't be able to offload him for that. Try 200k.

The big one is Sullivan, who is on way too much 4 year/2.6 Million!

Now both of the above, we would be lucky to offload for 200k each. Seriously lucky.


My point. Do you offload Naden for 200k or someone cheaper at full value?
Your not getting the full value back. Offload Naden and/or Sullivan (I think we have already), but you will only recover 50% of the cost...Which in Sullivan's case is fine.

 

[rihannafan1]

Got a question for you again

Was out at Panthers chatting to some mates and downing a few and we started talking about Ivan and how he had the Tigers playing they talk very highly of Ivan's coaching at the Tigers

They started saying that the Tigers must either be so toxic the culture or the coaching so bad that a good player arrives and turns to crap and a crap player leaves and there game goes up a few levels


The last few years do you think the coaching has been that bad ?

The coaching doesn't understand the players they have recruited?

Or the place is just a shit show?

The place has been a shit show for a long time. I'd argue we underachieved with Sheens and because it was tolerated it set some poor standards in place, as the people allowing it to happen on the board didn't have high standards being set for themselves. That all trickles down - think about the comments about our training facilities from Anasta. That should never have happened.

The board's ineptitude was demonstrated on-field in results and off-field in the rumour mill of the past 12 years. Leaks were occurring long before Lee.
 
I think there were some long-standing cultural issues with Farah and Marshall. Marshall had a sook when Mick Potter called him out and had been enabled forever, and Farah has not necessarily been known as an amazing team-mate, despite being a great player. You had Tim Simona and Nofoaluma not driving any standard you'd want. You had old mate CEO selling off Gibbs and Ryan for Blair, leveraging our cap against making the 8 in 2012 and then when we didn't, we went over the cap.

We had no money to afford a top-line coach and got Potter. Not bad, not good but a result of poor financial management in the end.

Taylor was not liked. Pascoe walked into a mess and needed more support.

The development pathways were a mess under Pascoe and put a lot of juniors and junior coaches off.

We all know about Cleary.

Pascoe LIED about the membership numbers and didnt really seem to have a plan to increase them. That is parts inexcusable, embarrassing, shameful and as big a sign of poor leadership that I can think of.

Lee cannot have been good for the health of the organisation.

Realistically, I look at this season that just finished as the first season of an expansion club. It is the first season I can remember where we had attempts from top to bottom at the level of professionalism required in the NRL.

 

[Needaname]

The place has been a shit show for a long time. I'd argue we underachieved with Sheens and because it was tolerated it set some poor standards in place, as the people allowing it to happen on the board didn't have high standards being set for themselves. That all trickles down - think about the comments about our training facilities from Anasta. That should never have happened.

The board's ineptitude was demonstrated on-field in results and off-field in the rumour mill of the past 12 years. Leaks were occurring long before Lee.
 
I think there were some long-standing cultural issues with Farah and Marshall. Marshall had a sook when Mick Potter called him out and had been enabled forever, and Farah has not necessarily been known as an amazing team-mate, despite being a great player. You had Tim Simona and Nofoaluma not driving any standard you'd want. You had old mate CEO selling off Gibbs and Ryan for Blair, leveraging our cap against making the 8 in 2012 and then when we didn't, we went over the cap.

We had no money to afford a top-line coach and got Potter. Not bad, not good but a result of poor financial management in the end.

Taylor was not liked. Pascoe walked into a mess and needed more support.

The development pathways were a mess under Pascoe and put a lot of juniors and junior coaches off.

We all know about Cleary.

Pascoe LIED about the membership numbers and didnt really seem to have a plan to increase them. That is parts inexcusable, embarrassing, shameful and as big a sign of poor leadership that I can think of.

Lee cannot have been good for the health of the organisation.

Realistically, I look at this season that just finished as the first season of an expansion club. It is the first season I can remember where we had attempts from top to bottom at the level of professionalism required in the NRL.

Edit required. Gibbs and Fifita were moved on for Blair. In fact the club was looking to move on Gibbs and the Sharks agreed to a deal on the provisio that Fifita joins them. Fifita being a bit of a hot head and not in the ‘cliche’ was an easy choice for the club. Ryan and Heighnington were collateral following a disappointing end to the 2012 season.

 

[rihannafan1]

Edit required. Gibbs and Fifita were moved on for Blair. In fact the club was looking to move on Gibbs and the Sharks agreed to a deal on the provisio that Fifita joins them. Fifita being a bit of a hot head and not in the ‘cliche’ was an easy choice for the club. Ryan and Heighnington were collateral following a disappointing end to the 2012 season.

Thanks

 

[innsaneink]

The place has been a shit show for a long time. I'd argue we underachieved with Sheens and because it was tolerated it set some poor standards in place, as the people allowing it to happen on the board didn't have high standards being set for themselves. That all trickles down - think about the comments about our training facilities from Anasta. That should never have happened.

The board's ineptitude was demonstrated on-field in results and off-field in the rumour mill of the past 12 years. Leaks were occurring long before Lee.
 
I think there were some long-standing cultural issues with Farah and Marshall. Marshall had a sook when Mick Potter called him out and had been enabled forever, and Farah has not necessarily been known as an amazing team-mate, despite being a great player. You had Tim Simona and Nofoaluma not driving any standard you'd want. You had old mate CEO selling off Gibbs and Ryan for Blair, leveraging our cap against making the 8 in 2012 and then when we didn't, we went over the cap.

We had no money to afford a top-line coach and got Potter. Not bad, not good but a result of poor financial management in the end.

Taylor was not liked. Pascoe walked into a mess and needed more support.

The development pathways were a mess under Pascoe and put a lot of juniors and junior coaches off.

We all know about Cleary.

Pascoe LIED about the membership numbers and didnt really seem to have a plan to increase them. That is parts inexcusable, embarrassing, shameful and as big a sign of poor leadership that I can think of.

Lee cannot have been good for the health of the organisation.

Realistically, I look at this season that just finished as the first season of an expansion club. It is the first season I can remember where we had attempts from top to bottom at the level of professionalism required in the NRL.

Good post... Great memory of really bad memories