Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Just going to put my hand up & say that I think I've been doing Matamua a little dirty & not giving some credit where it is due.

We were all excited to pick up Kobe Hetherington.

Hetherington, at 25, and with 78 games in the NRL produced this last season:
23 appearances
660 Post Contact Metres
7.8 Hit up per game average
3 Offloads
25 tackle breaks
556 tackles @ 94.4% efficiency
69 average running metres per game

Matamua, at 21, and with 14 games in the NRL produced:
7 appearances
91.5 Post contact metres
4.3 hit up per game average
2 offloads
5 tackle breaks
159 tackles @ 97.6% efficiency
42 average running metres per game

He is 4 years younger with a fraction of the experience. If he had played, simple maths, 3 times the games (21 matches) at these averages those numbers start to look somewhat comparable:
274 Post contact metres
15 tackle breaks
477 tackles etc

Not suggesting he is the answer- but it might be very premature to put a pin in him while popping champagne corks at the idea of Hetherington.

If the club can up his involvements, without sacrificing his efficiency in defence, isn't he at least worth considering at #13?

The improvement in the club for 2025 HAS to come from within. With Matamua, Fa'agutu & Kit Lualili'i all developing in that #13 role, it would really be ideal for one of the three to assume the role.

Additionally, I'm sure he has stepped in at dummy half at times too, giving a little more flexibility on what we do with the bench.
 
The Chad said:
Just going to put my hand up & say that I think I've been doing Matamua a little dirty & not giving some credit where it is due.

We were all excited to pick up Kobe Hetherington.

Hetherington, at 25, and with 78 games in the NRL produced this last season:
23 appearances
660 Post Contact Metres
7.8 Hit up per game average
3 Offloads
25 tackle breaks
556 tackles @ 94.4% efficiency
69 average running metres per game

Matamua, at 21, and with 14 games in the NRL produced:
7 appearances
91.5 Post contact metres
4.3 hit up per game average
2 offloads
5 tackle breaks
159 tackles @ 97.6% efficiency
42 average running metres per game

He is 4 years younger with a fraction of the experience. If he had played, simple maths, 3 times the games (21 matches) at these averages those numbers start to look somewhat comparable:
274 Post contact metres
15 tackle breaks
477 tackles etc

Not suggesting he is the answer- but it might be very premature to put a pin in him while popping champagne corks at the idea of Hetherington.

If the club can up his involvements, without sacrificing his efficiency in defence, isn't he at least worth considering at #13?

The improvement in the club for 2025 HAS to come from within. With Matamua, Fa'agutu & Kit Lualili'i all developing in that #13 role, it would really be ideal for one of the three to assume the role.

Additionally, I'm sure he has stepped in at dummy half at times too, giving a little more flexibility on what we do with the bench.
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Thanks 4 that Chadwick, now or never 4 Matamua
 
The Chad said:
Just going to put my hand up & say that I think I've been doing Matamua a little dirty & not giving some credit where it is due.

We were all excited to pick up Kobe Hetherington.

Hetherington, at 25, and with 78 games in the NRL produced this last season:
23 appearances
660 Post Contact Metres
7.8 Hit up per game average
3 Offloads
25 tackle breaks
556 tackles @ 94.4% efficiency
69 average running metres per game

Matamua, at 21, and with 14 games in the NRL produced:
7 appearances
91.5 Post contact metres
4.3 hit up per game average
2 offloads
5 tackle breaks
159 tackles @ 97.6% efficiency
42 average running metres per game

He is 4 years younger with a fraction of the experience. If he had played, simple maths, 3 times the games (21 matches) at these averages those numbers start to look somewhat comparable:
274 Post contact metres
15 tackle breaks
477 tackles etc

Not suggesting he is the answer- but it might be very premature to put a pin in him while popping champagne corks at the idea of Hetherington.

If the club can up his involvements, without sacrificing his efficiency in defence, isn't he at least worth considering at #13?

The improvement in the club for 2025 HAS to come from within. With Matamua, Fa'agutu & Kit Lualili'i all developing in that #13 role, it would really be ideal for one of the three to assume the role.

Additionally, I'm sure he has stepped in at dummy half at times too, giving a little more flexibility on what we do with the bench.
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Matamua has some good aspects of his game, but seems to lack aggression and doesn’t reallly play with high energy which could be fitness related.
Whether or not he can fix those aspects of his game he is lacking remains to be seen, but when we are talking about recruitment and retention we look to be lacking a few players that have already proven they can standout at NRL level, not just make up the numbers.
 
The Chad said:
Just going to put my hand up & say that I think I've been doing Matamua a little dirty & not giving some credit where it is due.

We were all excited to pick up Kobe Hetherington.

Hetherington, at 25, and with 78 games in the NRL produced this last season:
23 appearances
660 Post Contact Metres
7.8 Hit up per game average
3 Offloads
25 tackle breaks
556 tackles @ 94.4% efficiency
69 average running metres per game

Matamua, at 21, and with 14 games in the NRL produced:
7 appearances
91.5 Post contact metres
4.3 hit up per game average
2 offloads
5 tackle breaks
159 tackles @ 97.6% efficiency
42 average running metres per game

He is 4 years younger with a fraction of the experience. If he had played, simple maths, 3 times the games (21 matches) at these averages those numbers start to look somewhat comparable:
274 Post contact metres
15 tackle breaks
477 tackles etc

Not suggesting he is the answer- but it might be very premature to put a pin in him while popping champagne corks at the idea of Hetherington.

If the club can up his involvements, without sacrificing his efficiency in defence, isn't he at least worth considering at #13?

The improvement in the club for 2025 HAS to come from within. With Matamua, Fa'agutu & Kit Lualili'i all developing in that #13 role, it would really be ideal for one of the three to assume the role.

Additionally, I'm sure he has stepped in at dummy half at times too, giving a little more flexibility on what we do with the bench.
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What is the comparable minutes played rather than games? I'd say it would be fairly similar but it's important.

Post contact metres they are worlds apart.
 
Matamua much like a lot of our forwards are not fit enough and not hungry enough in defence. Hetherington is fit and makes the extra efforts that don’t often get noticed e.g line speed, marker work.

Bloke in a Bar mentioned Cory Jensen from the Broncs quite a bit. Not sure if there is any substance to it but he’s another that would be good for us. We need these attitude players to lift the standards.
 
The Chad said:
Just going to put my hand up & say that I think I've been doing Matamua a little dirty & not giving some credit where it is due.

We were all excited to pick up Kobe Hetherington.

Hetherington, at 25, and with 78 games in the NRL produced this last season:
23 appearances
660 Post Contact Metres
7.8 Hit up per game average
3 Offloads
25 tackle breaks
556 tackles @ 94.4% efficiency
69 average running metres per game

Matamua, at 21, and with 14 games in the NRL produced:
7 appearances
91.5 Post contact metres
4.3 hit up per game average
2 offloads
5 tackle breaks
159 tackles @ 97.6% efficiency
42 average running metres per game

He is 4 years younger with a fraction of the experience. If he had played, simple maths, 3 times the games (21 matches) at these averages those numbers start to look somewhat comparable:
274 Post contact metres
15 tackle breaks
477 tackles etc

Not suggesting he is the answer- but it might be very premature to put a pin in him while popping champagne corks at the idea of Hetherington.

If the club can up his involvements, without sacrificing his efficiency in defence, isn't he at least worth considering at #13?

The improvement in the club for 2025 HAS to come from within. With Matamua, Fa'agutu & Kit Lualili'i all developing in that #13 role, it would really be ideal for one of the three to assume the role.

Additionally, I'm sure he has stepped in at dummy half at times too, giving a little more flexibility on what we do with the bench.
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Good post. Never underestimate our youth. An 18 and 19 year old were our best players last year. The 3 you mentioned need to stand up and show Benji that they want to be picked. Lets hope all 3 have big off seasons.
 
Fish88 said:
Matamua much like a lot of our forwards are not fit enough and not hungry enough in defence. Hetherington is fit and makes the extra efforts that don’t often get noticed e.g line speed, marker work.

Bloke in a Bar mentioned Cory Jensen from the Broncs quite a bit. Not sure if there is any substance to it but he’s another that would be good for us. We need these attitude players to lift the standards.
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To balance it out- as a 21 year old, Hetherington played 14 games, 330 post contact metres, 13 tackle breaks, 325 tackles at 92%, 786m & averaged 56m per game.

It could be argued that as 21 year olds, they were not THAT different.

Cory Jensen would be a great pick up. Not that flashy type of forward, but the kind that Klemmer was as a mid 20's type of guy.
 
tigertuff said:
Good post. Never underestimate our youth. An 18 and 19 year old were our best players last year. The 3 you mentioned need to stand up and show Benji that they want to be picked. Lets hope all 3 have big off seasons.
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The reality is- we already have these guys on the books. We don't need to overspend to get them on the field. We need to train them up to do the job.

Not all recruitment has to be done externally.
 
The Chad said:
To balance it out- as a 21 year old, Hetherington played 14 games, 330 post contact metres, 13 tackle breaks, 325 tackles at 92%, 786m & averaged 56m per game.

It could be argued that as 21 year olds, they were not THAT different.

Cory Jensen would be a great pick up. Not that flashy type of forward, but the kind that Klemmer was as a mid 20's type of guy.
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I feel we just need a little increase in the competition. Loosing Stef is going to be big, so I am hoping a few of the boys waiting in the wings or that have had a crack at First grade keep pushing for a selection.

We should have a backline and spine that can do something. Just will our forwards give them the opportunity to make that happen?
 
The Chad said:
To balance it out- as a 21 year old, Hetherington played 14 games, 330 post contact metres, 13 tackle breaks, 325 tackles at 92%, 786m & averaged 56m per game.

It could be argued that as 21 year olds, they were not THAT different.

Cory Jensen would be a great pick up. Not that flashy type of forward, but the kind that Klemmer was as a mid 20's type of guy.
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Corey couldn't crack it at the Cowboys or Brisbane
 
anonymous! said:
Don't be surprised if we see Douihi sign with the Broncos come next year. Source close to Madge said that he gave him a call last week as he has worked under him at the Tigers and Rabbits and is a big fan.
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Douhei can be great but this year he was found out in defence so so so so so badly that I just couldn't justify the tigers spending any more on him..
If they swap him for hetherington I'm all for it.
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
Players return to training at Concord on Monday next week. It will be the top 30 squad minus those playing internationals & those long-serving players (Klemmer, Api, Olam & Twal) & players in finals (Royce Hunt) whilst I think T&T players join in from then too.

I'm sure WT content guys will be supplying images so will be interesting if we see Bud, Naden & AD for obvious reasons & also whether Jack Bird wants to get straight into it with his new team (or whether he is in the long-serving contingent returning a week or so later).
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Bird has already started with a personal trainer - good sign of his enthusiasm.
 
The Chad said:
The reality is- we already have these guys on the books. We don't need to overspend to get them on the field. We need to train them up to do the job.

Not all recruitment has to be done externally.
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Spot on. Some guys just take longer to develop and gain confidence. I thought Matamua played well in reggies every time I seen him. Seyfarth was also a slow burn but gets better with age. It always blows me away the amount of people wanting throw 20 / 21-year-old kids out of the club because they haven't made it yet. I'm old enough to remember when most guys got picked from the under 23s. We all want instant success but we need to be a little bit more patient with these kids.
 
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