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innsaneink said:
I had a quick look on TV earlier it seemed like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was cruising but that was only three states and early days I guess
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The GOP are looking very good in the electoral colleges and are also doing well in the popular vote and the senate.
 
Tim Sheens said:
The absence of support for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon from both Ivanka and Melania, is being replicated by women across the ballot boxes today.

Most with a half decent knowledge of the Harris career know that things like DEI hire is simply another misogynistic trope and will not forgive the relentless unsubstantiated attacks on yet another woman.
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Unfortunately Harris and the Dems are hitching themselves to those that either vote sexist (because she’s a woman) or racist (because she’s ‘black’).
The woman is a lightweight, who can’t even answer a simple question with a straight answer. Thrust into this position because there was no one else available who had a chance of winning without the black and women’s vote.
 
jirskyr said:
Specifically what though? I'm interested in the Cliff's notes of what the concerns are.

Harris seems to me to be pushing fairly moderate and society-focused policies, more or less a continuation of the Biden administration. She has more focus on the border than Biden does, though that's partially Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's fault for killing the bipartisan border deal.

In general for the US crime is down, unemployment is down, inflation is under control again and their economy is booming. The Dems have really pushed the manufacturing and technology policies and it's working - huge huge internal investment in those fields and creating demand for skilled jobs.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon by contrast has nothing. He's going to round up a million illegals and dump them... somewhere. He's threatening to cut off Ukraine and withdraw from several security alliances. He's going to raise large tariffs and make America more isolationist. Quite likely a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon President will also become super focused on domestic issues, e.g. revenge on his enemies, consolidation of power etc. and take his eye off the international ball.

I really will never understand how people don't realise it's a two-horse race. It's not about 2 great candidates, it's about the 2 candidates they have. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a terrible candidate - he's risky, he lacks standard ethics and morals, he can't be trusted and he's already had one term and it was a bad one. Harris is a better option. I wish the Dems could get their shit together and stump up a better option, but she's still superior to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, especially for Australian interests.

Close parallels in Australia. I think Albo is doing a passable job but Dutton is almost unelectable. It's not that Albo is great, it's that the Liberals are exceedingly weak. They were decimated by Teals last election, that's how far they've fallen, and the Nationals now wield more power within the Coalition than they ever have. So it's not about whether Albo is great, it's whether he's better than his opponent, which he definitely is. Dutton is a terrible candidate at this time, no policies except this bizarre uncosted plan for nuclear and no clear idea how he would tackle immigration or housing or cost of living in a different manner than Labor has. Also not yet even mentioning how bad the previous 9 years of Coalition rule became, how terrible a job they did to get us to this current position, how wasteful and ignorant they were.
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You seriously think Albo is doing a ‘passable’ job?
 
Tim Sheens said:
The absence of support for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon from both Ivanka and Melania, is being replicated by women across the ballot boxes today.

Most with a half decent knowledge of the Harris career know that things like DEI hire is simply another misogynistic trope and will not forgive the relentless unsubstantiated attacks on yet another woman.
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You do understand that these concepts are enshrined into policy in countless departments and programs, right? Or do you think she got there on merit? Despite doing less than nothing in the 2020 primaries and not having to even compete at a primary this election cycle?

Let me ask you, is it possible, in your eyes, to criticise a 'bad' policy if the policy is formed by a female or a female-led administration? Or would that criticism be misogyny by default?
 
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hammertime said:
You're a fool. Yes, it's the total figure od deaths. You want nuance?

Ok then, take a country with a good response. Hong Kong, Singapore and Australia. Then apply their total population percentage against the US.

You'll still end up with the same conclusion.
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No, I want you to reference your claims that 1.2 million deaths were cause by 'right-wing conspiracies'.

You still haven't and have danced around the question. Now you're moving the goalposts.

It is not foolish to ask for evidence when somebody makes an assertion.

You're STILL yet to provide that evidence.
 
jirskyr said:
Specifically what though? I'm interested in the Cliff's notes of what the concerns are.

Harris seems to me to be pushing fairly moderate and society-focused policies, more or less a continuation of the Biden administration. She has more focus on the border than Biden does, though that's partially Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's fault for killing the bipartisan border deal.

In general for the US crime is down, unemployment is down, inflation is under control again and their economy is booming. The Dems have really pushed the manufacturing and technology policies and it's working - huge huge internal investment in those fields and creating demand for skilled jobs.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon by contrast has nothing. He's going to round up a million illegals and dump them... somewhere. He's threatening to cut off Ukraine and withdraw from several security alliances. He's going to raise large tariffs and make America more isolationist. Quite likely a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon President will also become super focused on domestic issues, e.g. revenge on his enemies, consolidation of power etc. and take his eye off the international ball.

I really will never understand how people don't realise it's a two-horse race. It's not about 2 great candidates, it's about the 2 candidates they have. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a terrible candidate - he's risky, he lacks standard ethics and morals, he can't be trusted and he's already had one term and it was a bad one. Harris is a better option. I wish the Dems could get their shit together and stump up a better option, but she's still superior to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, especially for Australian interests.

Close parallels in Australia. I think Albo is doing a passable job but Dutton is almost unelectable. It's not that Albo is great, it's that the Liberals are exceedingly weak. They were decimated by Teals last election, that's how far they've fallen, and the Nationals now wield more power within the Coalition than they ever have. So it's not about whether Albo is great, it's whether he's better than his opponent, which he definitely is. Dutton is a terrible candidate at this time, no policies except this bizarre uncosted plan for nuclear and no clear idea how he would tackle immigration or housing or cost of living in a different manner than Labor has. Also not yet even mentioning how bad the previous 9 years of Coalition rule became, how terrible a job they did to get us to this current position, how wasteful and ignorant they were.
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Goodness.
 
hammertime said:
People who will vote for a sex offender or someone who fantasises about their own daughter says everything to me about those people.
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The American weirdness has always been there, it's just that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon says many of the things that bigots have always been thinking, but in the old days they would have been afraid to completely out themselves as bigots.
 
Kaito said:
It's best 4 America if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wins, he'll put them 1st
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Hmm I missed the part where all the other American presidents put someone else first. Americans are well renowned for putting themselves second?
 
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Kelce68 said:
🤣 🤣 🤣

You do understand that these concepts are enshrined into policy in countless departments and programs, right? Or do you think she got there on merit? Despite doing less than nothing in the 2020 primaries and not having to even compete at a primary this election cycle?

Let me ask you, is it possible, in your eyes, to criticise a 'bad' policy if the policy is formed by a female or a female-led administration? Or would that criticism be misogyny by default?
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Not when you are a male feminist.
 
Kelce68 said:
No, I want you to reference your claims that 1.2 million deaths were cause by 'right-wing conspiracies'.

You still haven't and have danced around the question. Now you're moving the goalposts.

It is not foolish to ask for evidence when somebody makes an assertion.

You're STILL yet to provide that evidence.
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You wont get it from him. I have him securely blocked due to his derangement lol....
 
Tucker said:
You wont get it from him. I have him securely blocked due to his derangement lol....
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It's a shame, Tuck.

I love having the blowtorch applied to my ideas. You either have to stump up evidence, or concede and course correct. Either way, everyone's better off.

This blind following of dogma is baffling aye.
 
Gen Z are coming out for the GOP.
They are driving much needed change.
The left have gone way too far with their social crap.
They have embarrassingly covered up Biden's condition for the entirety of his term and then threw him to the gutter when they could no longer squeeze anymore use out of him.
The lawfare they have engaged in has been shameful.
They lie, and cover up and gaslight and mislead. This election is the chance to send a message.
It is going well so far.
 
Kelce68 said:
It's a shame, Tuck.

I love having the blowtorch applied to my ideas. You either have to stump up evidence, or concede and course correct. Either way, everyone's better off.

This blind following of dogma is baffling aye.
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For anyone that is not dumb, deaf and blind would not take the attribution literally. There is no data for the apportionment of what can be attributed directly to bad policy and/or the right-wing lunatics that did not take the advice of health experts.

BUT... the detrimental US outcomes for covid were far beyond other Western countries. What would you attribute that to?
 
Tucker said:
The GOP are looking very good in the electoral colleges and are also doing well in the popular vote and the senate.
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The Republicans have won the popular vote once since 1988. It would take a hell of an effort to win it this time, even though I think Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will win the Electoral College vote comfortably.
 
Kelce68 said:
No. I didn't. I said he had a track record of 'limiting large, overseas conflict' which, when we look at his first term versus Biden's, is a clearly, indisputable fact. The large, major conflicts in the world at the moment are, but not limited to, Ukraine, Gaza and possibly the burgeoning Hezbollah offensive. All of those have escalated under the Biden administration. That is an objective fact.
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Oh but that's such a basic read of a situation, the most basic cause and effect logical error. Did Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon himself personally limit overseas conflict - did his actions and his policies end conflicts or reduce the number of new conflicts? Would the existing conflicts not exist if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was still President? Will the conflicts cease in a positive manner if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon becomes President again?

It would be like criticising the Presidents and Prime Ministers on Day One of World War 2, as being responsible for the conflict, and giving awards to the leaders who were in charge on the day after the war ended. So Hamas invades Israel and Russia invades Ukraine during the period of the Biden administration, and because they are contemporaneous they are somehow related. But Putin doesn't do it in 2020 and therefore somehow Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon gets a tick, as if Putin only invades his neighbours when the Democrats are in power? That's his move?

The Joe Biden administration has not invaded or started any conflicts either - American troops have not been active in war zones under his administration. I don't understand how people can somehow finger Biden as somehow responsible or associated with conflicts that do not involve the American military, but simultaneously give him no credit that he has never deployed the US military into a war zone.

Part of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's manifesto, in public, is to increase spending on the military to make it again the undisputed global military power. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is aggressive and belligerent in almost all his speeches, all his policies. And yet somehow some people equate this same guy with peace and prosperity, somehow the left-leaning Democrats are both "too woke" but also pro-war?
 
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