Taking a wrecking ball to the club! (Recent Media Reports)

[Magpie_Magic]

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If people are having trouble understanding why this is so toxic to HBG and many supporters it's the above.

All parties want success and steps have already commenced towards this endeavour.

However fancy a segment of the fanbase seemingly hoping that by some miracle the government intervenes to create problems for one JV party which happens to own controlling interest and has bailed out and supported its Balmain partner to the tune of close to 15 million over the last 5 years in order to keep things nice, between the partners.

It will easily be perceived as spiteful by Wests and HBG.

HBG and Wests Magpies will never sell. To get out and do what? We spend 15 million bailing Balmain to sell for what 20 million? To do what with it? Bring back the magpies? No. HBG want to retain investment in senior RL and have a strong interest in keeping the Wests brand within the WT visible inclusive within the inner west as well as the south west. RL is part of our foundation charter........to support Wests and now also Wests Tigers.

Unbelievable lack of empathy and understanding of what drives the motives of the parties especially considering your professional line of work.

Unfortunately this is toxic.

 

[Tigerwould]

G'day Slickback Tucker...really great post 👍in total, but your last paragraph is the most interesting
"sells the football club".
I reckon most on here would be happy for that to happen, as that 'could' get rid of the annoying half of the JV and just be a stand-alone Balmain Tigers...yes?

I haven't seen anyone on here advocating for that. Balmain are part of the problem and useless at governance.

 

[BZN]

The board of the Parramatta Leagues Club has been sacked and replaced by a temporary administrator.

In a statement, the NSW Independent Liquor & Gaming Authority said it "was of the opinion that the club's board had ceased to be effective as a governing body."

Channel Nine news 20/06/16

Was that 20/06/16....... 20th June 2016 you were referring to?

Your 1st paragraph says "has been sacked and replaced by a temporary administrator".
For people on here that only have enough patience to read the headlines, I feel that could be misleading as Imo it's suggesting this has just happened.

Personally, I don't feel you are purposely trying to mislead people on here, but others may not share my opinion.

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

It really is the silly season when you read this thread.

The way people carry on, you'd think the board members are the ones out there on the field knocking on and missing tackles.

Most of the arguments that are brought up over and over again could apply equally, if not more the other clubs to other clubs. The Broncos for example have not won a comp since 2006. The poor old Eels haven't won a comp since I was a toddler. The Warriors have a monopoly over an entire country and still haven't won one.

Things are getting better. We have a gun of a CEO, some great signings and juniors on the way up plus a genuine vision and plan for the club beyond just selling pet memberships and getting more likes on Facebook.

For the first time in years, I feel as though we are actually going into the season as a significantly improved team and club.

My 2025 prediction is that this thread and the pointless petitions will have a quick and painless death once we start winning a few games.

Broncos made the GF only a season ago, Parra went from perennial wooden spooners to regular top 8 contenders & a GF appearance in 2022, Warriors made a prelim in 2023 & the Broncos only made a GF in 2023 & look primed for success for the next couple of years... the Wests Tigers? Haven't made finals since 2011 & are coming off 3 wooden spoons in a row. Look at all the leaks that have come out about the boards infighting, the nepotism amongst it & the clear unprofessionalism that's taking place & tell me how isn't change needed? All we we want is for the review to be fully implemented & for the WT's have independence from the HBG.

 

[BZN]

Absolutely, I hope HBG do sell WT. Someone above just pointed out it’s a distinct possibility that a local bin man could be elevated into a position of power within the club we support, and while that’s just a hypothetical, it shouldn’t be that way.

Wests Tigers need a merit based independent Board, or new owners.

There Yuh go..."I hope HBG do sell WTs", just as I said a couple of posts back.

 

[Tucker]

G'day Slickback Tucker...really great post 👍in total, but your last paragraph is the most interesting
"sells the football club".
I reckon most on here would be happy for that to happen, as that 'could' get rid of the annoying half of the JV and just be a stand-alone Balmain Tigers...yes?

No that was not my intention when saying that.
I come from the Balmain side but Im not picking one side over the other. We pretty much are a wests led club and have been for many years. Balmain are largely irrelevant.
I wouldnt care if we were called the Western Suburbs Tigers or Western Sydney Tigers etc....I think the Tiger name and emblem must remain as it it promotes aggression, strength and is a cool looking image that is likely to always attract new fans...the magpie just cannot compete as they are shit, annoying birds that most people hate for a section of the year.
My point was that this in fighting will never cease. The owners cannot get along. Whilst one side is insecure, the other feels set upon. To be fair, if I owned 90% of an organisation and some customers were telling me I couldnt have a say in how it was run, Id very loudly tell them to go root their boot. It hasnt got to that stage yet.
Selling the club to new owners is the only way forward unless all the structures and constitutions of the ownership group are changed to reflect modern day. The problem is, I cant see either happening and as such the merry go round keeps turning...

 

[Tucker]

Broncos made the GF only a season ago, Parra went from perennial wooden spooners to regular top 8 contenders & a GF appearance in 2022, Warriors made a prelim in 2023 & the Broncos only made a GF in 2023 & look primed for success for the next couple of years... the Wests Tigers? Haven't made finals since 2011 & are coming off 3 wooden spoons in a row. Look at all the leaks that have come out about the boards infighting, the nepotism amongst it & the clear unprofessionalism that's taking place & tell me how isn't change needed? All we we want is for the review to be fully implemented & for the WT's have independence from the HBG.

Look at all the examples you have just given and explain to me how changing the coaching staff wont have a far bigger impact.

 

[twentyforty]

Idk, but it’s a more logical reason to think we will than thinking we already have, when we are coming off three consecutive spoons.

We started winning regularly in 2005, but it was followed by 5 seasons of losing regularly.

 

[BZN]

No. Wrong again. This thread is not being kind to you.
For your information, I was raising these concerns many years ago…long before it became fashionable to be holding such views. In fact I was once banned from this forum by one of the leaders of this group for stating that Pascoe was the problem more so than the coaches and players that everyone else was blaming. He used to be protected on here by the same people running these petitions.

Fundamentally I agree with the petitions and I signed both. I think HBG should stick to hospitality administration. That’s their lane. I don’t believe Western Suburbs are very good at running football clubs. I’ve stated both these things 100’s of times on this forum and others over the better part of the past decade.

I think the board set in motion the drivers that caused our 3 spoons via sacking Madge and bringing in Sheens. They sacrificed 2022 in the hopes that a Sheens led rival coupled with some big recruits would elevate our fortunes and train his protege to continue his legacy into the future. I was one of the VERY FEW dissenting voices to this plan. So yeah, I don’t like our footy club board at all. I’ve copped a lot of stick for saying so off some of the same people who are now the biggest supporters of the movement against them and it somewhat amuses me that “98%” of the fanbase is now saying the same things that people like me were being targeted for saying only 5-6 years ago.

All that said, it is clear HBG are doggedly sticking to their history and structures. They seem offended and possibly feel persecuted as a fanbase that ignored them for so long are now out for their destruction.
Questioning whether continued fanbased attacks led through podcasters is the wisest move and best pathway to achieving outcomes is not being critical of the movement. Note that we are finally assembling a decent playing squad which the board has played a role in developing through the removal of deadwood administration and the recruitment of effective operators as well as green lighting mostly correct recruitment and retention decisions. They haven’t been this helpful ever. This petition is flaming Wests v Balmain even if unintentionally. It could derail yet another season and cause havoc moving forward.
Two things can always exist simultaneously.

Another EXCELLENT post Tucker.
And you've got me 🤔 who it could be that banned you🤔, but don't tell me ok 🙂.

 

[BZN]

It’s not hard to put two and two together to work out why a clique controlled by Dennis Burgess is reluctant to grant greater autonomy to Wests Tigers.

I've put two and two together and came up with 5, but I feel that isn't the correct answer, Joel.
So, you had better tell me what the answer is, in your opinion.

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

Look at all the examples you have just given and explain to me how changing the coaching staff wont have a far bigger impact.

Because during that time we've had 7 different head coaches.

 

[Ron Brodrick's Spirit]

I haven't seen anyone on here advocating for that. Balmain are part of the problem and useless at governance.

There are subtle cues.
Constant rubbishing of Burgess, (many posts based on the remarkably important hair style he has).
Maybe he deserves it. I can't say I know either way.

Stapleton is reported to be negotiating for a Balmain departure and the silence has been deafening.
I wonder why that is?

 

[Tigerwould]

There are subtle cues.
Constant rubbishing of Burgess, (many posts based on the remarkably important hair style he has).
Maybe he deserves it. I can't say I know either way.

Stapleton is reported to be negotiating for a Balmain departure and the silence has been deafening.
I wonder why that is?

Stapleton seems like he is part of the problem. As soon as we move past this Balmain / Wests BS the better.

 

[Tucker]

Because during that time we've had 7 different head coaches.

Your examples were recent history.
If you want to debate from 2011 onwards...yes the board had a lot to do with it as we have discussed ad nauseum. Our three spoon years can be largely blamed on the decisions to bring Sheens and Marshal on as coaches and the piss poor performances those two along with the training staff have put in. Sure the board needs a kick in the arse for hiring them, but in their defence they did provide them with upgraded rosters, far superior to what their predecessors had to work with and they did nothing with them.

 

[Telltails]

There are subtle cues.
Constant rubbishing of Burgess, (many posts based on the remarkably important hair style he has).
Maybe he deserves it. I can't say I know either way.

Stapleton is reported to be negotiating for a Balmain departure and the silence has been deafening.
I wonder why that is?

Toss the lot out. Not a problem with that what so vever . They clearly can't work together for the betterment of the club and they have had plenty of time to get their act together.
No one on this board has demonstrated that they are expendable - debunture system or not

 

[Ron Brodrick's Spirit]

Stapleton seems like he is part of the problem. As soon as we move past this Balmain / Wests BS the better.

How would that ever be possible?
The petition is aimed at the board of HBG, not the Wests Tigers.

The petitioners seem happy to support a Wests Tigers board member who reportedly is actively sabotaging the club. They have made no mention of Mr Stapleton (that I have read on here).

So the question remains , why is that so?

A cynical person could suggest an obvious answer

 

[Big Red]

This isn't being critical and isn't a criticism.. please don't confuse being critical with stating a legal fact.

Those two things aren’t mutually exclusive. Don’t confuse this as a criticism it’s just a fact.

 

[cktiger]

Was that 20/06/16....... 20th June 2016 you were referring to?

Your 1st paragraph says "has been sacked and replaced by a temporary administrator".
For people on here that only have enough patience to read the headlines, I feel that could be misleading as Imo it's suggesting this has just happened.

Personally, I don't feel you are purposely trying to mislead people on here, but others may not share my opinion.

Are you really that silly?
It’s clearly cut and pasted with the reference attached.

 

[cktiger]

How would that ever be possible?
The petition is aimed at the board of HBG, not the Wests Tigers.

The petitioners seem happy to support a Wests Tigers board member who reportedly is actively sabotaging the club. They have made no mention of Mr Stapleton (that I have read on here).

So the question remains , why is that so?

A cynical person could suggest an obvious answer

In case you hadn’t noticed lately the board of HBG make up the WestsTigers board.

 

[BZN]

Good luck with Liquor and Gaming.

Good luck with changes of legislation.

Good luck with Darcy.

Your movement is creating toxicity within the club which won't be forgotten.

G'day M_M... really pleased that you also picked up on this post from Joel.