round two...sensible discussion..

Tucker said:
Moses isnt playing.
We always compete with Parra at this time of the year and its our best time to cop them, depleted side or not.
That said, they are missing Moses, Gutho, Sivo...guys who always rip us to pieces. We owe them for spoonbowl. That 60 points should have been burnt into the souls of everyone who was here last year. All the new guys come from clubs who usually beat Parra, so I doubt theyll be concerned by them.

I think we'll let in 2 tries but score 5. Im going to select a 28 points to 14 victory.
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Yep Sivo was always a nightmare, spiders hanging all over him as he normally scored hat tricks
 
Tucker said:
Is he faster than Mason? I find it hard to tell how quick he actually is. There are certain players burst onto the scene like Slater, GI, Turbo and Hammer and Papenhuyzen that you can see it everytime they touch the ball. They are a threat constantly.
Bula is different. He has a swagger about him. It’s a bump, fend, hip shimmy and swerve. He has an uncanny ability to relax, look at the kick chase, and quickly decide his path. Id love to see stats on how many first contact tackles stick on him. It would be low.
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I’ve seen him match motors with some of the quicker fellas in the nrl when he first burst onto the scene .. it’s been awhile since he’s played a game so
Tucker said:
Is he faster than Mason? I find it hard to tell how quick he actually is. There are certain players burst onto the scene like Slater, GI, Turbo and Hammer and Papenhuyzen that you can see it everytime they touch the ball. They are a threat constantly.
Bula is different. He has a swagger about him. Its a bump, fend, hip shimmy and swerve. He has an uncanny ability to relax, look at the kick chase, and quickly decide his path. Id love to see stats on how many first contact tackles stick on him. It would be low.
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yes Bula hasn’t really had the chance to showcase his speed in open space. I do vividly remember him in a reserve grade game though scoring a full field try which looked effortless almost

I’m not sure he’ll ever reach the heights of an elite fullback but I do see the talent there and I think he’ll have quite a few highlights over his career
 
Tucker said:
I love how you always present yourself to show the exact same traits as those you are desperately trying to attack. Everything you claim other people do that annoys you is a copy of the way you carry on. Its unbelieveable that you cant see that LOL.
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Totally agree Tucker. Strongee would be one of the biggest abusers on here.

And believe me, when you say anything positive about Western Suburbs Magpies on here,

even though we all follow Wests Tigers, you really find out who the serial abusers are.
 
Lestronge said:
No, what I’m saying is there’s no way you can hold an nrl team to 10 points , especially as potent as that Newcastle team , without some good defensive structures in place .
But like I’ve said twice now , that game is not a North Star for us to be pointing to and saying “ that’s what we should defend like” because despite the structures working imo , like you said , we fell off 50 tackles .
But on a side note , god im sick of people on here speaking in absolutes as if they’re the Dalai Lama of nrl wisdom .
I’m right , you’re wrong , you’re an f wit because I’m the best because I played A grade in Townsville 1 year … it’s ok to have nuance and say both things can be truth at once .
You want to know why we lost that game ? It wasn’t because of shit defence , it wasn’t even because of shit attack . It was because at key times in that game we made the wrong decision and lost the moment . With either errors , erratic play , missed tackles etc .
Even the Greg marzhew try , we did all the right things defensively to cause disruption in their attack , only for guys to fail close down the space around him , covering from the inside . And because he’s a unit , he runs over his opposite number to score the winner .
We put ourselves in that position from errors in the first place .
We limit the errors out of yardage and make sure we are turning over the ball in better positions we wing that game and most games .
But that’s just my opinion , and I’m not moron , or a f wit , or a loser , or a dope because some dude from NQ, or wherever , who’s never even been to watch a game in Sydney can’t hack that someone has a differing opinion.
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A slightly different take. If we are scrambling, it means our defensive system is not working. Line breaks were 7 to 1. The fact we held them to 10 says more about the effort to recover than anything as well as some luck going our way.

Our biggest issue is scoring points. So many games in recent years we can't score more than 10 to 18 points a game. It has a major impact on defence.
 
Lestronge said:
No, what I’m saying is there’s no way you can hold an nrl team to 10 points , especially as potent as that Newcastle team , without some good defensive structures in place .
But like I’ve said twice now , that game is not a North Star for us to be pointing to and saying “ that’s what we should defend like” because despite the structures working imo , like you said , we fell off 50 tackles .
But on a side note , god im sick of people on here speaking in absolutes as if they’re the Dalai Lama of nrl wisdom .
I’m right , you’re wrong , you’re an f wit because I’m the best because I played A grade in Townsville 1 year … it’s ok to have nuance and say both things can be truth at once .
You want to know why we lost that game ? It wasn’t because of shit defence , it wasn’t even because of shit attack . It was because at key times in that game we made the wrong decision and lost the moment . With either errors , erratic play , missed tackles etc .
Even the Greg marzhew try , we did all the right things defensively to cause disruption in their attack , only for guys to fail close down the space around him , covering from the inside . And because he’s a unit , he runs over his opposite number to score the winner .
We put ourselves in that position from errors in the first place .
We limit the errors out of yardage and make sure we are turning over the ball in better positions we wing that game and most games .
But that’s just my opinion , and I’m not moron , or a f wit , or a loser , or a dope because some dude from NQ, or wherever , who’s never even been to watch a game in Sydney can’t hack that someone has a differing opinion.
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We held the knights to 10 points?
Not the way I saw it? They had a hand in limiting their points tally.
Gosh, here I go again, having an opinion. 😂
 
twentyforty said:
We held the knights to 10 points?
Not the way I saw it? They had a hand in limiting their points tally.
Gosh, here I go again, having an opinion. 😂
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Be careful mate, Lestrange gets very touchy if you express that opinion.
Of course you are right though and the numbers have been presented in black and white to illustrate it clearly.
 
If you look at the team stats from the Knights vs Tigers game and the Knights vs Dolphins game; they are almost identical.
I think that says more about the Knights than the Tigers. We did well to limit their options.
 
Tucker said:
Be careful mate, Lestrange gets very touchy if you express that opinion.
Of course you are right though and the numbers have been presented in black and white to illustrate it clearly.
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It’s what makes this game the greatest sport on the planet. Everyone has an opinion about who’s gonna win or which team lost and why. Sometimes we get it right, but Lestrange gets it right every time. 😂
The Panthers coach was asked what caused their loss?
“Those ones are hard to have all the answers, but I guess it’s why we all love sports so much,” Cleary said.
Ivan clearly needs to spend more time on the WT forum. 😂
 
twentyforty said:
We held the knights to 10 points?
Not the way I saw it? They had a hand in limiting their points tally.
Gosh, here I go again, having an opinion. 😂
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The scoreboard says it was 10 points . However you want to get to that point is your choice . I prefer to focus on what did work , and try and fix what didn’t .
You are entitled to your opinion , just as much as I am to say I don’t agree .
 
twentyforty said:
It’s what makes this game the greatest sport on the planet. Everyone has an opinion about who’s gonna win or which team lost and why. Sometimes we get it right, but Lestrange gets it right every time. 😂
The Panthers coach was asked what caused their loss?
“Those ones are hard to have all the answers, but I guess it’s why we all love sports so much,” Cleary said.
Ivan clearly needs to spend more time on the WT forum. 😂
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Whatever ! I literally say I disagree , which implies in those very words nuance and disagreement . I didn't say you’re wrong ….And you say I’m speaking in an absolutes .
Absolute man child , if you’re going to get petulant because I’m pushing the rhetoric , that club coaches are pushing and those in the inner circle are.
It’s funny the same guys who constantly attack everyone , are the same guys act like the biggest sooks and bitches when anyone dares disagree with them .
And @Tucker , everyone hates you on this forum . You’re not Intelligent , you don’t know what you’re talking about half the time , and I don’t think you’re ever played the game . I do know you’re not even a real supporter , which is funny because you called me that , a guy who grew up in both foundation club areas , played my whole life for one or the other , my family is from Balmain , and I spend a fair chunk of my life in and around Campbelltown for work . you’re just some ring in from NQ, you don’t even 💯 support the club , who has found a sounding board for his nonsense , and intrusive thoughts. .
If you disappeared no one would care . I’m pretty sure judging by the way you are , that’s probably true in real life as well !
 
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hank37w said:
Does anyone really hate anyone on this forum?

We don't always agree and sometimes we have heated arguments about various things but hate is very harsh, unless of course you are talking about Souffs and a few other teams, but mostly Souffs. 🤣
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Ok I’ll rephrase , everyone I’ve spoken to privately about @Tucker has said the same thing . They can’t talk And offer opinions on here , because they’re afraid of his nasty comments and just bullying . He polarises every topic and makes posters extremely unwilling to post on here. .
I had 2 people approach me about this so much so , that I privately contacted @Tucker to try and mend the fence , because I felt like I was perpetuating a lot of the drama on here by fighting back .
That’s actual facts .
Then because the guy can’t help himself , and he just wants to fight with everyone about everything , he starts taking pot shots at me again a few weeks ago , and I try and deflect and say “maybe he’s got a point” , and the. Because the guy is a bully he gets more and more brazen to the point where I realise , this guy is a bully and he can go eat shit .
None of that is a lie . It’s all truth . Does that mean I hate him personally . No not really . I hate how he polarises and rabble rouses people , who are prone to focusing on the glass half empty , especially after a 2 point loss .
It’s not right , and it’s going on years now, and is a remnant of when a certain faction took over this forum , and half the forum left .
That’s all truth , and I’m sick of pretending that it’s not . I’m all for free speech , because I love a good debate . But I’m so sick of the same group of guys , who read words on a forum with no emotion , and attach the most extreme emotions to what’s being said . Like right now , I can tell you I’m extremely calm and rational , but they will fire back with some reference to extreme anger . Because like I keep saying the guy is a Hammer . Who goes through his life all he ever sees is nails to bash down .
It’s exhausting . Personally just want to come on , and offer an alternate to the group think that goes on here , to try and cheer up those who want to be positive . And they want to be hopeful . Not endless negatively from the same few , who just take over the joint . Especially @Tucker !
 
Lestronge said:
Whatever ! I literally say I disagree , which implies in those very words nuance and disagreement . I didn't say you’re wrong ….And you say I’m speaking in an absolutes .
Absolute man child , if you’re going to get petulant because I’m pushing the rhetoric , that club coaches are pushing and those in the inner circle are.
It’s funny the same guys who constantly attack everyone , are the same guys act like the biggest sooks and bitches when anyone dares disagree with them .
And Tucker , everyone hates you on this forum . You’re not Intelligent , you don’t know what you’re talking about half the time , and I don’t think you’re ever played the game . I do know you’re not even a real supporter , you’re just some ring in from NQ, who has found a sounding board for his nonsense , and intrusive thoughts. .
If you disappeared no one would care . I’m pretty sure judging by the way you are , that’s probably true in real life as well
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Have a whinge about someone if you must (though I’m sure personal attacks are against the rules on here). In any case please don’t assume that you speak for everyone.
 
Lestronge said:
Ok I’ll rephrase , everyone I’ve spoken to privately about @Tucker has said the same thing . They can’t talk And offer opinions on here , because they’re afraid of his nasty comments and just bullying . He polarises every topic and makes posters extremely unwilling to post on here. .
I had 2 people approach me about this so much so , that I privately contacted @Tucker to try and mend the fence , because I felt like I was perpetuating a lot of the drama on here by fighting back .
That’s actual facts .
Then because the guy can’t help himself , and he just wants to fight with everyone about everything , he starts taking pot shots at me again a few weeks ago , and I try and deflect and say “maybe he’s got a point” , and the. Because the guy is a bully he gets more and more brazen to the point where I realise , this guy is a bully and he can go eat shit .
None of that is a lie . It’s all truth . Does that mean I hate him personally . No not really . I hate how he polarises and rabble rouses people , who are prone to focusing on the glass half empty , especially after a 2 point loss .
It’s not right , and it’s going on years now, and is a remnant of when a certain faction took over this forum , and half the forum left .
That’s all truth , and I’m sick of pretending that it’s not . I’m all for free speech , because I love a good debate . But I’m so sick of the same group of guys , who read words on a forum with no emotion , and attach the most extreme emotions to what’s being said . Like right now , I can tell you I’m extremely calm and rational , but they will fire back with some reference to extreme anger . Because like I keep saying the guy is a Hammer . Who goes through his life all he ever sees is nails to bash down .
It’s exhausting . Personally just want to come on , and offer an alternate to the group think that goes on here , to try and cheer up those who want to be positive . And they want to be hopeful . Not endless negatively from the same few , who just take over the joint . Especially @Tucker !
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Mate, my advice to you is don't take things so personally. I've had plenty of tit for tats with Tucker but I just get on with it. I'll still read his posts and respond to him whether I agree or not, he'll respond to me likewise.
I posted something about TDS and Hope the other week and you couldn't wait to tell me how wrong I was. You never said anything when Hope started last week.
Time to lighten up a little.
 
Tucker said:
lol at those suggesting our defence wasn’t bad against Knights.
Our missed tackle count is the worst in the comp, our ineffective tackle count is 6th worst in the comp.

The reason the scores were close is because some of the new guys showed desperation and the opposition were pretty shit. Newcastle have the worst completion rate in the comp, the most amount of errors, second most penalties against them and the most ineffective tackles. They are laughing that they were so bad and still won.
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Is your analysis based on 1 game or?
 
Lestronge said:
Whatever ! I literally say I disagree , which implies in those very words nuance and disagreement . I didn't say you’re wrong ….And you say I’m speaking in an absolutes .
Absolute man child , if you’re going to get petulant because I’m pushing the rhetoric , that club coaches are pushing and those in the inner circle are.
It’s funny the same guys who constantly attack everyone , are the same guys act like the biggest sooks and bitches when anyone dares disagree with them .
And @Tucker , everyone hates you on this forum . You’re not Intelligent , you don’t know what you’re talking about half the time , and I don’t think you’re ever played the game . I do know you’re not even a real supporter , which is funny because you called me that , a guy who grew up in both foundation club areas , played my whole life for one or the other , my family is from Balmain , and I spend a fair chunk of my life in and around Campbelltown for work . you’re just some ring in from NQ, you don’t even 💯 support the club , who has found a sounding board for his nonsense , and intrusive thoughts. .
If you disappeared no one would care . I’m pretty sure judging by the way you are , that’s probably true in real life as well !
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I’m confused. Why did you send me a post containing immature remarks toward another poster? Claiming you are much better than him and have more admirers due to spending your childhood in Balmain & Campbelltown?
I don’t know where this is coming from?
It makes no difference where you came from. All that matters is where you’re going. Try to be kind.
 
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