NRL Refs

[Lestronge]

Tigers PTB speed was a fair bit faster than Warriors according to the Fox stats...

I said in the first 20mins . Theres no way to gauge that . And I listened to the podcast with the ex tigers coach , and he said the same thing .
This is where playing the game comes in handy . You’re always taught once the player is on the ground to get them on their back and try and turn them as much as possible not square to the tryline . So when they do finally get up they have to not just climb up off their back , but not re reference themselves to the tryline . You can sort of do it in the tackle , but they were coming in and doing it 3rd man in when the tackle was almost complete . Every tackle .
it absolutely gassed the boys . And if it was both teams I’d be ok with it . But it wasn’t . All game there was no consistency with how he was managing the game (the ref) . I’ve got no issues if that was his interpretation from min 1 -80. It’s up to the players to adjust . But that’s not what happened last night.

 

[Lestronge]

I was of the same opinion watching it live on the tele. It appeared like the Warriors were able to delay key rucks without penalty whereas we were being scrutinised less favourably.

PTB speed was the first stat I checked this morning and was surprised at the result.

I think it is probably a bit of fan bias at play.

It’s not . We were marching downfield on really quick play the balls in the second half . Which averaged the stat out big time .
There’s a reason Benji and the coaching team were talking about front loading your energy . You can’t win a game in the first 20 mins , but you can surely lose it .
I like the 6 again rule . I just think there has to be more accountability around it . In the review stage . And coaches should be allowed to say that was a shit ref performance. Ina constructive way . Because the refs are there to make sure an nrl game is played to highest degree of a good product . They’re not there to quote section 14b appendix c line 6 ……. No one wants that .

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Watching the game on TV it seemed to me that Warriors physically had an edge over us. Particularly their outside backs and backrowers.

I agree re stats, but there is a place for them. They have less bias than your average punter.

I get the physical side but when defending often the warriors would flop late with a 3rd man or held was called later than what it was for the warriors where we had to roll off. It was very noticeable. Add to this I counted at least 20 times where the warriors didn’t even attempt to play the ball which never got called up once.

 

[Tiger Tarl]

This has probably been said but for Turuva to be hit high, not get the penalty, BUT get pulled off for a HIA... THEN they get a penalty for a head high and their player NOT get pulled for a HIA, who then kicks the penalty... sus, as the young kids say.

I was there on the night and it felt like the ref was actively doubling down on the typical home ground calls for penalties and went the other way. Benji alluded to it in the presser but something has to be said publicly. I feel robbed and I'm sure the team does too.

 

[Tiger_Yoshi]

So...grub Reed Mahoney from the Dogs, belts a guys head while laying on the ground and only gets a fine, Luai, taps a guys face and gets a grade 2 with a possibility of a 2match suspension....go figure

 

[Spartan117]

Quite simply the referees are like politicians.

They don't know how uncool they are and wanna be on TV.

Making terrible and inconsistent decisions.

 

[jadtiger]

So...grub Reed Mahoney from the Dogs, belts a guys head while laying on the ground and only gets a fine, Luai, taps a guys face and gets a grade 2 with a possibility of a 2match suspension....go figure

Anusley roulette.

 

[Betterdays22]

I said in the first 20mins . Theres no way to gauge that . And I listened to the podcast with the ex tigers coach , and he said the same thing .
This is where playing the game comes in handy . You’re always taught once the player is on the ground to get them on their back and try and turn them as much as possible not square to the tryline . So when they do finally get up they have to not just climb up off their back , but not re reference themselves to the tryline . You can sort of do it in the tackle , but they were coming in and doing it 3rd man in when the tackle was almost complete . Every tackle .
it absolutely gassed the boys . And if it was both teams I’d be ok with it . But it wasn’t . All game there was no consistency with how he was managing the game (the ref) . I’ve got no issues if that was his interpretation from min 1 -80. It’s up to the players to adjust . But that’s not what happened last night.

I will have to have a re-watch. At the time I thought it was just a really physically strong Warriors team having their way with us in the wrestle. I will keep an eye on the impact of the 3rd man in. In saying that, there should be some onus on us to be stronger in the contact and the wrestle because teams have identified that controlling the ruck is the key to beating us. It has been a problem for years.

I'm confused by the repeat sets in general and believe they are way too subjective.

 

[gregjm87]

I'm confused about 'six again' calls. In the set before the Bula no try we got a six again call in goalkicking range. I assume if we knock on in the play the ball or something like that then that would become a full penalty because there was no advantage. Which is weird that only after an error can you have the opportunity to take 2 points. If we were given the full penalty I'd guess we'd have taken a shot at goal at that point and we'd likely have gone 8 points up.

So how does the six again work?

What determines whether it's six again or penalty in goal kicking range?

Should we strategically knock on in that situation to get the full penalty?

A lot of the time a 6 again is very good in those situations because a penalty can really slow the momentum but up by 6 the opportunity to go 8 points up would be huge. Is six again a penalty or now considered a lesser offence and not worthy of a 2 point opportunity? It blurs as well as there is a full penalty given inside a teams 40 and then no similar modification for the opportunity to kick 2 points when on the attack.

Is that right? Has there been much discussion of this issue?

Yeah the whole rule is stupid but the NRL like to roll out their ball in play stat discussing the game post the six again introduction and will turn a blind eye to all opposing points.
As for deliberately knocking on to get the penalty it is certainly an option but probably not advised. Reason being that you need to be sure to get the timing correct. If you knock on in the play the ball as you suggest you would not received the penalty. As your error is the play after the infringement. You would need to knock on only when there is an offside infringement, not a ruck infringement, and only when the offside player is deemed to be impacting the play.

 

[Kelce68]

Warriors were flopping, not moving away and putting 3rd men on top all game. The ref allowed the game to run slow which gave the warriors the advantage. It was terrible and noticeably different for them to us during the game.

Also watch Capwell nearly every time he never even motions to play the ball and should’ve been a turn over - the refs are very selective.

Re CNK that was atrocious. It wasn’t a reportable offence and shouldn’t have been a penalty.

At the very least CNK should’ve gone off for HIA. He wasn’t injured and 100% played for the penalty. He was fine instantly once penalty awarded.

The NRL must do a rule change that if players stay down for any head/neck injury they must go off and be covered by the HIA time rules. The diving/playing for a penalty is a joke.

Exactly.

A wet track, against a big team; the slowly reffed ruck allowed the game to be played entirely into the Warriors' hands.

We needed to, and should have in the end, been good enough to overcome it, but it's just another shady advantage that one team got over another.

If it's not to be corrected by the officials, then the side as a hold need to be better at using what they can to fight back. Raise it with the ref, wriggle and fight for every inch on the ground; Farnworth is the perfect example. Tito is one of the few who fights on the ground for us.

 

[colinbh]

This has probably been said but for Turuva to be hit high, not get the penalty, BUT get pulled off for a HIA... THEN they get a penalty for a head high and their player NOT get pulled for a HIA, who then kicks the penalty... sus, as the young kids say.

I was there on the night and it felt like the ref was actively doubling down on the typical home ground calls for penalties and went the other way. Benji alluded to it in the presser but something has to be said publicly. I feel robbed and I'm sure the team does too.

They were robbed alright.

 

[Dennisspicer1]

The crap that goes on in the ruck to slow the play the ball down which has crept into the game over time is ruining the game.
There should be a count by the ref and if you are not standing up or rolling away you get pinged and you can't lean on the tackled player to get up either.

Totally agree with you,
Like very early in the game Luai got penalised for putting his hand on back of tackled Warrior to get up, correctly so but for the next 15 min our team continually appealed for Warriors doing same thing on at least 5 occasions without Referee responding to our calls, Amazing.

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

Rubbish rubbish

It is going to take sometime for me to completely forget about it

 

[Halbrowne61]

So...grub Reed Mahoney from the Dogs, belts a guys head while laying on the ground and only gets a fine, Luai, taps a guys face and gets a grade 2 with a possibility of a 2match suspension....go figure

Luai has form for previous similar offences, that’s why it’s a suspension for him, not a fine. I don’t think there’s anyway he beats the charge, so suggest he cops a week, and we move on. Same with Seyfarth, accept the $1000 and start to prepare for Broncos, which really will show our defensive improvement, or otherwise.
Fainu and Galvin the halves, with a licence to thrill.

 

[Tucker]

I agree re stats, but there is a place for them. They have less bias than your average punter.

I find the stats help when conversing with people on here, because this forum contains the greatest collection of "woe is me" football fans in the entire code. The fact that most members on here are over 40 makes me wonder exactly how some of them have managed to live to such an age whilst possessing such a victim mentality.
It makes you wonder what type of lives are being lived when they are so quick to blame everyone else when things dont go their way.
The refs are human. They make mistakes. For instance, Luai should have been sinbinned at a minimum for his tackle last night......but the average Wests Tigers fan thinks they are being targetted in a coordinated act of cheating from the games administrators. It is laughable in its pathetic delusions. Seriously, this happens every year....idiots start whining as soon as the other team gets on top. It is embarrassing.

 

[Tucker]

Exactly.

A wet track, against a big team; the slowly reffed ruck allowed the game to be played entirely into the Warriors' hands.

We needed to, and should have in the end, been good enough to overcome it, but it's just another shady advantage that one team got over another.

If it's not to be corrected by the officials, then the side as a hold need to be better at using what they can to fight back. Raise it with the ref, wriggle and fight for every inch on the ground; Farnworth is the perfect example. Tito is one of the few who fights on the ground for us.

On a wet track, you want us to believe that they got 3 men into flop style tackles, holding our blokes down all night long, yet we managed to have the faster play the ball speed?
We must have been doing it even more then......

 

[WesternSuburbsBoy]

The CNK penalty I can understand because any contact to the head nowadays is a penalty it is what it is (how he wasn't taken off the field for a HIA is a joke in itself) but to me the turning point in the game was the Latu penalty can anyone explain that to me? I've seen Api make 10 tackles like that a game & not be pinged for it once. We had them pinned on the 30m line on the 5th then that penalty just completely swung momentum.

 

[Dennisspicer1]

Luai has form for previous similar offences, that’s why it’s a suspension for him, not a fine. I don’t think there’s anyway he beats the charge, so suggest he cops a week, and we move on. Same with Seyfarth, accept the $1000 and start to prepare for Broncos, which really will show our defensive improvement, or otherwise.
Fainu and Galvin the halves, with a licence to thrill.

I Think a big scoreline is about to hit us.
Hope I am wrong, but think Bronco's are Gunna kick our arses.

 

[Needaname]

This has probably been said but for Turuva to be hit high, not get the penalty, BUT get pulled off for a HIA... THEN they get a penalty for a head high and their player NOT get pulled for a HIA, who then kicks the penalty... sus, as the young kids say.

I was there on the night and it felt like the ref was actively doubling down on the typical home ground calls for penalties and went the other way. Benji alluded to it in the presser but something has to be said publicly. I feel robbed and I'm sure the team does too.

Turuva’s was innocuous . The replay was looking at the arm contact but it was actually the second defender that hit him high in the side of the head with his shoulder (similar to what Luai did on Kosi but it was far less obvious.

 

[bptiger 0]

So...grub Reed Mahoney from the Dogs, belts a guys head while laying on the ground and only gets a fine, Luai, taps a guys face and gets a grade 2 with a possibility of a 2match suspension....go figure

Mahoney is a protected player , he gets away with far to much , he is a dead set grub