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Respectfully debate and enjoy the the next few weeks (I wont be)
Respectfully debate and enjoy the the next few weeks (I wont be)
The Election 2025
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On the proportion of earnings of super balances over $3m. Only applies to 0.3% of the wealthiest Aussies and is an extra 15% tax on these earnings which already incur 15% tax. So if your balance went from 3 million to 3 million and 1 you would pay 30 cents instead of 15 cents encouraging the super wealthy from avoiding tax by unnecessarily putting extra funds into super when outside super those earnings would be taxed at between 30% and 43%.
old_man_tiger
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I think the post above me answers this better but if you're fair dinkum not a troll you should consider deleting your post.
if you own 100k in shares and it goes to the moon you won't pay a cent until you sell. Same as now.
If you have an investment property that goes to 5 mil you won't pay a cent.
It will impact people holding massive assets in super, no one else.
WestsEffTheRest
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It’s hilarious to me that Winston only comes out of hiding once he sees a thread like this
Tucker
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Labor need to be turfed for that disgraceful campaign they ran for the voice to parliament. Divided the country, wasted tonnes of our money and worst of all, have done nothing for remote communities since then, despite all the crap they went on with.
Whilst I don't disagree with your sentiments, the amount of cash Albo is throwing around will save him sadly. He will get a second term.
The Americans were not stupid enough to let the far left completely destroy their country, the questions can enough Australians see thru the Albos lies , every child wins a prize give away and the damage to our power needs into the future , when our future depends on cheap power to reverse costs
ancient_magpie
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I knew I'd find something to like about you Tucker even though it's taken a while.
balmain boy
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Do you have any facts to contribute to the discussion, references etc.
balmain boy
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Polls are suggesting a landslide to Labor. Duttons testing had dropped 15 points in the last 2 weeks.
He doesn't have a single policy other than an absurd notion that nuclear won't cost a hell of a lot more than all other options.
And raising the cost of living for all Australians, unless you happen to own a mine, in which case he'll look after you...
He doesn't have a single policy other than an absurd notion that nuclear won't cost a hell of a lot more than all other options.
And raising the cost of living for all Australians, unless you happen to own a mine, in which case he'll look after you...
Tucker
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He talks far more about football than you do. You only come out of hiding to make some snide remark about people, not even having the guts to address them front on.
The Chad
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Regardless of your political stance- I would suggest our options in the current election are poor.
Once again we see governments that can only think inside the walls of their confined ideals, set by the people that came before them.
When the biggest issues facing the country circle around cost of living - additional taxes & $20 deductions a month to the lowest earners is no answer to a majority of households being forced into become a mandatory 2 income dwelling in order to stay status quo.
Not get ahead.
Just to stay as you are.
The country (dare I suggest the world??) requires governments to radically rethink how people are taxed, simplified & fairer systems, that encourage people to earn & spend.
Not hand out & tax....and tax more in order to be able to hand out more...repeat & rinse.
And if population growth ISN'T a priority agenda when cost of housing, lack of housing, rent increases outstripping wage increases etc. are key issues leading into an election- then I can pretty much guarantee that the party policy isn't going to address any real issues.
It'll be another popularity contest. I like Rainbow Albo over Evil Voldermort. Or our own version of Make Australia Great Again.
Once again we see governments that can only think inside the walls of their confined ideals, set by the people that came before them.
When the biggest issues facing the country circle around cost of living - additional taxes & $20 deductions a month to the lowest earners is no answer to a majority of households being forced into become a mandatory 2 income dwelling in order to stay status quo.
Not get ahead.
Just to stay as you are.
The country (dare I suggest the world??) requires governments to radically rethink how people are taxed, simplified & fairer systems, that encourage people to earn & spend.
Not hand out & tax....and tax more in order to be able to hand out more...repeat & rinse.
And if population growth ISN'T a priority agenda when cost of housing, lack of housing, rent increases outstripping wage increases etc. are key issues leading into an election- then I can pretty much guarantee that the party policy isn't going to address any real issues.
It'll be another popularity contest. I like Rainbow Albo over Evil Voldermort. Or our own version of Make Australia Great Again.
Yep, slim pickings.
watersider
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Long rant, sorry. I want to get it all in before we all get banned:
I am really disappointed that both the government and opposition don't push for tax reform or spending cuts that prioritise a balanced budget. This idea of surpluses in 10 years time by both the libs last election and Labor now is putting off meaningful discussion of how to best govern our country responsibly. Whatever your political persuasion, we should expect our politicians to be better on this.
Would Labor use the more conventional left wing option of higher tax rates, as Britain did? Would the libs sharply cut govt services the way Argentina did, or the way doge is intending to do in America? These are potentially unpopular and difficult measures that our leaders put off because they prioritise popularity over good governance and I don't think it serves us well. How can we demand better from our politicians? How can we get them offering solutions (whether we agree with them or not) to our country?
Presently we are reduced to political arguments about various sugar hit hand outs which provide little suggestion of how to manage the significant issues of our country.
For all his bluster about responsible economic management, Dutton has no credible solution to our deficits, and is simply playing with a different set of hand outs that put us further into debt and leave the issue of balanced budgets for later. Cutting public service is one thing, but last time that just led to expensive private consultants which didn't get us closer to balanced budgets (according to their own forecasts) or seem to produce better outcomes.
Jim Chalmers talks up the budget surpluses of the last two years and offers nothing but deficits from here on with a reliance on bracket creep over the next 10 years as his offer of balanced budget. It's fantasy.
Both parties are weak on this and it's bad for our country. We, on here, fixate on the marginalia of ideology and bicker about various narrow policies, much like our politicians, while we let our leaders go on with the charade of choice.
I hope we all agree that our leaders should be more honest with us and more ambitious in attempting to implement what they believe in. It would be better for all of us to have proper political debate.
For all the hate and shock at T.ru.mp, he's implementing what he said. I don't like it, but he won the argument.
Going into the issues that are divisive:
For me, the difficulty of people accessing housing is the biggest betrayal of people. Our system is not providing fair opportunity for families to enjoy the benefit of their dedication to a working life by making property ownership possible through good reforms and much more insistence on increasing housing supply. And this is creating friction throughout families and our social structure, leading to resentment and apathy and a lack of collective spirit. I deeply lament that neither party is properly focused on this.
I also believe public health and education are not being effectively managed. I don't necessarily mean chuck more money at it, because as deficits and spending rise we seem to manage to make these services worse. Our education system is getting bad results and medical assistance seems harder to get access to, particularly the many mental health and disability issues amongst the youth, which is having a correlative impact on education and crime. The disadvantaged are being knocked about in our system while politicians get distracted by easier peripheral concerns.
In terms of govt, I think 3 year terms are ridiculously short and create bad budgets like this latest one. 4 or 5 year terms are better for us.
I'd also be interested in a proportional voting system like new Zealand has, so that party votes equal party seats, but that is a more radical and potentially destabilising option. I just don't like that we have all these independent parties gaining traction, like the libertarians and one nation (neither of whom I support), yet not getting any voice in the running of government. Labor and liberal obviously seek to maintain the status quo despite their ever dwindling support. So our two party preferred system seems to support our political parties in their lack of ambition, as most votes filter to them anyway.
Looking at the campaigns so far, it's just a very cynical approach from both, while the greens in the way they moralise make their causes less appealing by the day.
I'm on the left of politics, believing in good public services and seeing the value of our tax system in supporting that, but I understand others would like less of a tax burden and more individual choice. It would be good if our leaders would offer us a more coherent choice between these two approaches rather than their bloated, wasteful, ineffective agendas.
I am really disappointed that both the government and opposition don't push for tax reform or spending cuts that prioritise a balanced budget. This idea of surpluses in 10 years time by both the libs last election and Labor now is putting off meaningful discussion of how to best govern our country responsibly. Whatever your political persuasion, we should expect our politicians to be better on this.
Would Labor use the more conventional left wing option of higher tax rates, as Britain did? Would the libs sharply cut govt services the way Argentina did, or the way doge is intending to do in America? These are potentially unpopular and difficult measures that our leaders put off because they prioritise popularity over good governance and I don't think it serves us well. How can we demand better from our politicians? How can we get them offering solutions (whether we agree with them or not) to our country?
Presently we are reduced to political arguments about various sugar hit hand outs which provide little suggestion of how to manage the significant issues of our country.
For all his bluster about responsible economic management, Dutton has no credible solution to our deficits, and is simply playing with a different set of hand outs that put us further into debt and leave the issue of balanced budgets for later. Cutting public service is one thing, but last time that just led to expensive private consultants which didn't get us closer to balanced budgets (according to their own forecasts) or seem to produce better outcomes.
Jim Chalmers talks up the budget surpluses of the last two years and offers nothing but deficits from here on with a reliance on bracket creep over the next 10 years as his offer of balanced budget. It's fantasy.
Both parties are weak on this and it's bad for our country. We, on here, fixate on the marginalia of ideology and bicker about various narrow policies, much like our politicians, while we let our leaders go on with the charade of choice.
I hope we all agree that our leaders should be more honest with us and more ambitious in attempting to implement what they believe in. It would be better for all of us to have proper political debate.
For all the hate and shock at T.ru.mp, he's implementing what he said. I don't like it, but he won the argument.
Going into the issues that are divisive:
For me, the difficulty of people accessing housing is the biggest betrayal of people. Our system is not providing fair opportunity for families to enjoy the benefit of their dedication to a working life by making property ownership possible through good reforms and much more insistence on increasing housing supply. And this is creating friction throughout families and our social structure, leading to resentment and apathy and a lack of collective spirit. I deeply lament that neither party is properly focused on this.
I also believe public health and education are not being effectively managed. I don't necessarily mean chuck more money at it, because as deficits and spending rise we seem to manage to make these services worse. Our education system is getting bad results and medical assistance seems harder to get access to, particularly the many mental health and disability issues amongst the youth, which is having a correlative impact on education and crime. The disadvantaged are being knocked about in our system while politicians get distracted by easier peripheral concerns.
In terms of govt, I think 3 year terms are ridiculously short and create bad budgets like this latest one. 4 or 5 year terms are better for us.
I'd also be interested in a proportional voting system like new Zealand has, so that party votes equal party seats, but that is a more radical and potentially destabilising option. I just don't like that we have all these independent parties gaining traction, like the libertarians and one nation (neither of whom I support), yet not getting any voice in the running of government. Labor and liberal obviously seek to maintain the status quo despite their ever dwindling support. So our two party preferred system seems to support our political parties in their lack of ambition, as most votes filter to them anyway.
Looking at the campaigns so far, it's just a very cynical approach from both, while the greens in the way they moralise make their causes less appealing by the day.
I'm on the left of politics, believing in good public services and seeing the value of our tax system in supporting that, but I understand others would like less of a tax burden and more individual choice. It would be good if our leaders would offer us a more coherent choice between these two approaches rather than their bloated, wasteful, ineffective agendas.
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twentyforty
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Labor gave us 3 taxes on superannuation in 1983 and now a 4th. 15% on unrealised capital gains.
Labor’s “make Australians poor again” (MAPA) policy may have strong appeal within the teals/greens but not for already struggling families.
This government is a disaster.
Halbrowne61
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As a Protestant Right winger I never discuss religion or politics.
I actually thought ( hoped ) the Coalition had a chance, however, I’m now thinking Labor will be returned.
Not sure what that will mean because the whole world is in turmoil and we are just the tail of the dog.
I hope to see out my days happily and peacefully before it all comes crashing down.
Go the Tigers !
I actually thought ( hoped ) the Coalition had a chance, however, I’m now thinking Labor will be returned.
Not sure what that will mean because the whole world is in turmoil and we are just the tail of the dog.
I hope to see out my days happily and peacefully before it all comes crashing down.
Go the Tigers !
GNR4LIFE
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That’s not fair. He went to great lengths in the live game thread last weekend to get a reaction by how saying how much our club and Ctown suck. Was actually laughing with someone the other day about his trolling and absolute lack of subtly or nuance to be affective at it.
hank37w
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I have a cunning plan that cannot fail, don't go there and read it.
Unfortunately, like all the other cunning plans, it's doomed.
hank37w
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Gee, if you want to see out the rest of your days happily and peacefully I'd suggest following another team and keeping away from threads that involve politics. 🤣
LeichhardtTiger
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We never voted for mass immigation during a cost of living and housing shortage crisis:
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