Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

Lestronge said:
Man you’re on fire lately … you’ve got some wild takes ! He’s every bit as good as TDS is/ was at that age . Especially between the ears , and defensively . My take is , TDS is more Damien Cook best case - Jacob liddle worst case .
Haywood is Farah —/ maybe Cameron Smith … I’d say Matt Ballin worst case .
I guess it just depends ont he type of hooker you want . If you want the crafty , extra half type . Or you want the poking your head through , attacking retreating defenders type .
For me the latter , rarely works in nrl . You get maybe 1-2 amazing runs a game at most , and you trade that off with poor goal line attack , and less structure though the games .
The former , you lack penetration in broken field ,and less explosive moments , but you trade that off for more assured structured footy , and clever ruck manipulation.
I’m not saying either can’t develop the either style just the the contrast .
For me I’ve always been about the Benny Elias/ Buderus /farah and the best ever Cameron smith type , rather than the Damien cook or even the Steve Walter’s / mick Ennis , Robson tough nut type .
Thats a long way to say I completely disagree with you.
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That's probably a fair point. I haven't seen Haywood play so can't really comment on him specifically but the elite hookers in the game have always had a huge creative dimension to them. Just in the last 10-20 years guys like Smith, Farah, Api, Buderus and to a lesser extent guys like Josh Hodgson and Isaac Luke are much more than just pass and run hookers.
 
to top it all off we got Will Craigs dad or brother commenting on the Wests Tigers life post on Facebook about him signing whatever contract it is arguing with people who are saying he's not worth a top 30 contract
 
Kelce68 said:
Nothing like a 'test the market' story to send everyone into a panic.

We may or may not end up retaining Tallyn.

But literally all this does is allow transparency.

Tartak can do his research and come back to the Tigers with a real understanding of Tallyn's choices, giving the Tigers the opportunity to present the best offer they can, with full knowledge of what's out there and the choice he is having to make.

It also expedites the process, meaning that if the outcome is not ideal, we can move on quickly.

Richo seems to be very bandaid-off in his last roll of the administrator dice. He's more than happy to push through any uncomfortable changes or conversations as quickly as possible so that the club can keep moving and look to the next step in the rebuild.

We saw him expedite the exits of Bateman, Papali'i, Klemmer, rightly or wrongly.

He's put timeline ultimatums on Leichhardt Oval and it's development (which has paid off) and is attempting to do the same with Campbelltown.

He pushed through an outcome for Olam's retirement.

He exposed the Galvin situation early once the writing was on the wall, again, whether you agree or not, which the club has now (mostly) put behind us. Well, the club has, many fans haven't.

Now, rather than wait until November, he's giving them early permission to see what interest they'll get with Talllyn, so that they can decide, again, with time on their side, whether they can competitively counter or if it's too expensive for them to retain him.

We don't have to agree with everything he does. In fact, we won't; I don't.

But Richo makes moves. He's dynamic, efficient and can pivot extremely well when required. If a situation looks like dragging out or lingering, he'll nip it in the bud, even in the face of short-term pain, if he thinks the club will benefit in the long-term.

I have absolutely no problem with it and hope we are more upfront, honest and swift with all our club moves moving forward, both in recruitment or otherwise.

All that being said, I think the sell of the transition of Tallyn from support act to lead must simply have been poor. I can't believe that a Wests Junior who loves the club, has been in the top grade 5 minutes and who inevitably would have the starting 9 jersey inside of 2/3 years for effectively as long as he wants, in a club on the rise, would completely flip his career on it's head for an entire change of system.

The ONLY thing I can think, is that the local, young boys, who were sold the pathways vision, have seen the culture shift in the last couple of years and aren't being red-carpeted into the NRL roles they were potentially earmarked for since Harold Matts. Not to say the culture isn't for the better, but appears more built on a winning mindset brought in from external recruits, rather than a solely, build-from-within, 'locals only' ethos.

Galvin looked to have fallen out with the new in-crowd. Very possible Tallyn has had similar thoughts.
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Kelce68 said:
Nothing like a 'test the market' story to send everyone into a panic.

We may or may not end up retaining Tallyn.

But literally all this does is allow transparency.

Tartak can do his research and come back to the Tigers with a real understanding of Tallyn's choices, giving the Tigers the opportunity to present the best offer they can, with full knowledge of what's out there and the choice he is having to make.

It also expedites the process, meaning that if the outcome is not ideal, we can move on quickly.

Richo seems to be very bandaid-off in his last roll of the administrator dice. He's more than happy to push through any uncomfortable changes or conversations as quickly as possible so that the club can keep moving and look to the next step in the rebuild.

We saw him expedite the exits of Bateman, Papali'i, Klemmer, rightly or wrongly.

He's put timeline ultimatums on Leichhardt Oval and it's development (which has paid off) and is attempting to do the same with Campbelltown.

He pushed through an outcome for Olam's retirement.

He exposed the Galvin situation early once the writing was on the wall, again, whether you agree or not, which the club has now (mostly) put behind us. Well, the club has, many fans haven't.

Now, rather than wait until November, he's giving them early permission to see what interest they'll get with Talllyn, so that they can decide, again, with time on their side, whether they can competitively counter or if it's too expensive for them to retain him.

We don't have to agree with everything he does. In fact, we won't; I don't.

But Richo makes moves. He's dynamic, efficient and can pivot extremely well when required. If a situation looks like dragging out or lingering, he'll nip it in the bud, even in the face of short-term pain, if he thinks the club will benefit in the long-term.

I have absolutely no problem with it and hope we are more upfront, honest and swift with all our club moves moving forward, both in recruitment or otherwise.

All that being said, I think the sell of the transition of Tallyn from support act to lead must simply have been poor. I can't believe that a Wests Junior who loves the club, has been in the top grade 5 minutes and who inevitably would have the starting 9 jersey inside of 2/3 years for effectively as long as he wants, in a club on the rise, would completely flip his career on it's head for an entire change of system.

The ONLY thing I can think, is that the local, young boys, who were sold the pathways vision, have seen the culture shift in the last couple of years and aren't being red-carpeted into the NRL roles they were potentially earmarked for since Harold Matts. Not to say the culture isn't for the better, but appears more built on a winning mindset brought in from external recruits, rather than a solely, build-from-within, 'locals only' ethos.

Galvin looked to have fallen out with the new in-crowd. Very possible Tallyn has had similar thoughts.
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stop it!
we can have sensible, reasoned and worth reading comments here
 
Kelce68 said:
Nothing like a 'test the market' story to send everyone into a panic.

We may or may not end up retaining Tallyn.

But literally all this does is allow transparency.

Tartak can do his research and come back to the Tigers with a real understanding of Tallyn's choices, giving the Tigers the opportunity to present the best offer they can, with full knowledge of what's out there and the choice he is having to make.

It also expedites the process, meaning that if the outcome is not ideal, we can move on quickly.

Richo seems to be very bandaid-off in his last roll of the administrator dice. He's more than happy to push through any uncomfortable changes or conversations as quickly as possible so that the club can keep moving and look to the next step in the rebuild.

We saw him expedite the exits of Bateman, Papali'i, Klemmer, rightly or wrongly.

He's put timeline ultimatums on Leichhardt Oval and it's development (which has paid off) and is attempting to do the same with Campbelltown.

He pushed through an outcome for Olam's retirement.

He exposed the Galvin situation early once the writing was on the wall, again, whether you agree or not, which the club has now (mostly) put behind us. Well, the club has, many fans haven't.

Now, rather than wait until November, he's giving them early permission to see what interest they'll get with Talllyn, so that they can decide, again, with time on their side, whether they can competitively counter or if it's too expensive for them to retain him.

We don't have to agree with everything he does. In fact, we won't; I don't.

But Richo makes moves. He's dynamic, efficient and can pivot extremely well when required. If a situation looks like dragging out or lingering, he'll nip it in the bud, even in the face of short-term pain, if he thinks the club will benefit in the long-term.

I have absolutely no problem with it and hope we are more upfront, honest and swift with all our club moves moving forward, both in recruitment or otherwise.

All that being said, I think the sell of the transition of Tallyn from support act to lead must simply have been poor. I can't believe that a Wests Junior who loves the club, has been in the top grade 5 minutes and who inevitably would have the starting 9 jersey inside of 2/3 years for effectively as long as he wants, in a club on the rise, would completely flip his career on it's head for an entire change of system.

The ONLY thing I can think, is that the local, young boys, who were sold the pathways vision, have seen the culture shift in the last couple of years and aren't being red-carpeted into the NRL roles they were potentially earmarked for since Harold Matts. Not to say the culture isn't for the better, but appears more built on a winning mindset brought in from external recruits, rather than a solely, build-from-within, 'locals only' ethos.

Galvin looked to have fallen out with the new in-crowd. Very possible Tallyn has had similar thoughts.
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Cmon man ..Tartak already knows what he can get from the market for him
 
It seems to me that Benji’s game plans has changed. At the start of the year he started with Api then TDS would come on. Now Benji is planning to shortly have Luai and Latu in the halves and have Mason on the bench.

Api is playing 80 mins now.

I think TDS won’t stay to play KOE
 
You would hope that any call to let TDS walk is all part of a plan, but we are talking Weststigers, so Iam not getting my hopes up.

From where I sit it is total madness and if API gets a long term injury we basically only have Hope to call on. I wonder if this could all be related to Galvingate, maybe there has been some stone kicking going on. Although TDS’s efforts in recent weeks have been top notch.

With our club we just keep bouncing from one disaster to another, joys of being a rusted on supporter
 
GNR4LIFE said:
Imagine round 1 this year being told that by mid season, Galvin would have left the club and TDS would be told he’s free to go.
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I was going to post along similar lines. My question was going to be thinking back 12 months ago, who would you have said were our most promising juniors. Most would have said Galvin, both the Large boys, TDS and Makasini. A year later three have gone, one looks like he's on the way out and only Makasini is staying ..... for the moment. Don't care what anybody says, as a fan this guts me.
 
coivtny said:
I was going to post along similar lines. My question was going to be thinking back 12 months ago, who would you have said were our most promising juniors. Most would have said Galvin, both the Large boys, TDS and Makasini. A year later three have gone, one looks like he's on the way out and only Makasini is staying ..... for the moment. Don't care what anybody says, as a fan this guts me.
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My advice…Don’t get too attached to Makasini.
 
Betterdays22 said:
That's probably a fair point. I haven't seen Haywood play so can't really comment on him specifically but the elite hookers in the game have always had a huge creative dimension to them. Just in the last 10-20 years guys like Smith, Farah, Api, Buderus and to a lesser extent guys like Josh Hodgson and Isaac Luke are much more than just pass and run hookers.
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Not having a go at you mate, moreso the one you have replied to. Haywood is completely unproven and being totally over-rated by a few people on here so they can cope with losing yet another gun junior that we have put a tonne of time and effort into.
He may become a gun himself one day, I hope he does. But to say he is already one is ridiculous and stupid.
 
Tom Shines said:
Meh .. it’s not the most shocking thing I’ve seen with this club,,,. A year ago he was telling all and sundry in the dressing room he wanted out
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and then was talked into fulfilling his current contract. I had no illusions he would walk at the end of 26 but at the point he did in 25?
Nope no one predicted that before this comp began.
 
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