Chammas Article

[BZN]

The final outcome was those greedy ***** made a $9million profit and are too tight to pay for the Wests Magpies to play at Campbelltown… depriving all the poor kiddies there of being able towatch Brett Naden and Kurt “over the “ Falls getting towelled up every fortnight

Well Tom...calling HBG "greedy" after they were cleared by Liquor and Gaming seems more emotional than factual.

A $9 million profit may trigger envy, but that doesn't mean the organisation is shirking its duties.

From all indications, they continue to fund Wests Tigers well above Balmain's contribution.

And on the topic of tightness...wasn't it the Magpies that gave up Campbelltown home games under pressure from WT's decision makers.

Let's not pretend Brett Naden getting towelled up at Campbelltown is the highlight of junior development.

Wests Tigers need structured pathways, genuine support, and a fair platform...not finger pointing and caricatures.

If you want better outcomes [with reference to @TSP] for Wests Tigers and Campbelltown kids [and kids everywhere], let's start with transparency, not insults.

 

[cochise]

That's awesome...but what exactly do you mean by "the club has a buffer" etc.

An independent board.

 

[cochise]

Well Tom...calling HBG "greedy" after they were cleared by Liquor and Gaming seems more emotional than factual.

A $9 million profit may trigger envy, but that doesn't mean the organisation is shirking its duties.

From all indications, they continue to fund Wests Tigers well above Balmain's contribution.

And on the topic of tightness...wasn't it the Magpies that gave up Campbelltown home games under pressure from WT's decision makers.

Let's not pretend Brett Naden getting towelled up at Campbelltown is the highlight of junior development.

Wests Tigers need structured pathways, genuine support, and a fair platform...not finger pointing and caricatures.

If you want better outcomes [with reference to @TSP] for Wests Tigers and Campbelltown kids [and kids everywhere], let's start with transparency, not insults.

HBG contribute significantly less to the club than other leagues clubs do for their football club.

 

[Tom Shines]

Wests Tigers need structured pathways, genuine support, and a fair platform...not finger pointing and caricatures.

If you want better outcomes [with reference to @TSP] for Wests Tigers and Campbelltown kids [and kids everywhere], let's start with transparency, not insults.

Some times the truth can hurt … you have already told of the pain that the Magpies failure to play at Campbelltown has caused the local community … apparently one of the posters you have endorsed has said this solely relates to money, and you have the owners sitting there with a $9million profit .., I won’t even tell you where this money is coming from … another can of worms there ..

Note - despite your efforts I won’t be silenced on this and I’ll continue to call out injustices committed against those kiddies and the greed of other relevant parties

 

[Jolls]

From all indications, they continue to fund Wests Tigers well above Balmain's contribution.

Balmain's contribution, and Wests' contribution for that matter is irrelevant. You can argue all you want about who has paid more or pays more - but that has nothing to do with Wests Tigers.

HBG own Wests Tigers and is responsible for its performance. Wests Tigers has representation from both founding clubs, HBG and a bunch of independents.

Wests Tigers is an arm of HBG, just as the clubs they run are. Wests Tigers aren't there to generate $ their responsibility to HBG is to win premierships. The club is short staffed and punches well abouve its funded weight - but that effort only gets us to winning three spoons.

HBG is a not for profit set up to support Wests Tigers (and maintain and operate the clubs). So why are all the $ going back to the patrons of the clubs if Wests Tigers are underperforming? If we were top 4 and cruising along - sure invest more heavily into the clubs.

HBG should be focussed, like any business, on achieving its outcomes. If something is underperforming it needs to understand why and invest in an appropriate strategy to improve performance. They had 9M beer tokens in profit to distribute and chose to continue its underinvestment in Wests Tigers to the detriment of the club. Is that appropriate management?

 

[BZN]

HBG contribute significantly less to the club than other leagues clubs do for their football club.

cochise, let's not compare apples to oranges.
HBG isn't trying to be Easts or Panthers...they're supporting a JV where one side [Magpies] continues to carry the financial load while the other [Balmain] contributes next to nothing.

Lets not forget...Wests Ashfield didn't build an empire off Wests Tigers success.
They built it off decades of Magpie history, sweat and local support.
And they still pour more into this club than Balmain ever could...despite constant resistance.

So, before we criticise "levels of contribution", let's start with balance sheets, board room influence, and actual investment in Campbelltown and pathways.

HBG aren't perfect, but they're not freeloaders either.

 

[cochise]

cochise, let's not compare apples to oranges.
HBG isn't trying to be Easts or Panthers...they're supporting a JV where one side [Magpies] continues to carry the financial load while the other [Balmain] contributes next to nothing.

Lets not forget...Wests Ashfield didn't build an empire off Wests Tigers success.
They built it off decades of Magpie history, sweat and local support.
And they still pour more into this club than Balmain ever could...despite constant resistance.

So, before we criticise "levels of contribution", let's start with balance sheets, board room influence, and actual investment in Campbelltown and pathways.

HBG aren't perfect, but they're not freeloaders either.

See once again you make this about Magpies v Balmain, It has nothing to do with that. Facts are Wests Magpies own 90% of the club and are currently underfunding the club.

I don't even care that much about the funding, my hope is the new Wests Tigers board gets us to the point where we don't need to rely on Pokies money to survive, that we don't need to destroy families and lives to fund our footy team.

 

[Tom Shines]

They had 9M beer tokens in profit

Their money comes from a bigger misery than that - poker machines

 

[Jolls]

Their money comes from a bigger misery than that - poker machines

True; a much bigger evil!

 

[BZN]

Some times the truth can hurt … you have already told of the pain that the Magpies failure to play at Campbelltown has caused the local community … apparently one of the posters you have endorsed has said this solely relates to money, and you have the owners sitting there with a $9million profit .., I won’t even tell you where this money is coming from … another can of worms there ..

Note - despite your efforts I won’t be silenced on this and I’ll continue to call out injustices committed against those kiddies and the greed of other relevant parties

Tom, throwing around "greedy" while Liquor and Gaming cleared HBG suggests more heat than light.
That $9 million profit didn't fall from the sky...it came from decades of building the Magpies legacy, not flashy NRL success.
And despite constant resistance, HBG still subsidise Wests Tigers far more than Balmain does.

 

[tig_prmz]

Balmain's contribution, and Wests' contribution for that matter is irrelevant. You can argue all you want about who has paid more or pays more - but that has nothing to do with Wests Tigers.

HBG own Wests Tigers and is responsible for its performance. Wests Tigers has representation from both founding clubs, HBG and a bunch of independents.

Wests Tigers is an arm of HBG, just as the clubs they run are. Wests Tigers aren't there to generate $ their responsibility to HBG is to win premierships. The club is short staffed and punches well abouve its funded weight - but that effort only gets us to winning three spoons.

HBG is a not for profit set up to support Wests Tigers (and maintain and operate the clubs). So why are all the $ going back to the patrons of the clubs if Wests Tigers are underperforming? If we were top 4 and cruising along - sure invest more heavily into the clubs.

HBG should be focussed, like any business, on achieving its outcomes. If something is underperforming it needs to understand why and invest in an appropriate strategy to improve performance. They had 9M beer tokens in profit to distribute and chose to continue its underinvestment in Wests Tigers to the detriment of the club. Is that appropriate management?

do you mean HBG is not for profit or their WT supporting arm is not for profit?

 

[tig_prmz]

See once again you make this about Magpies v Balmain, It has nothing to do with that. Facts are Wests Magpies own 90% of the club and are currently underfunding the club.

I don't even care that much about the funding, my hope is the new Wests Tigers board gets us to the point where we don't need to rely on Pokies money to survive, that we don't need to destroy families and lives to fund our footy team.

It's such a tricky situation.

Wests Tigers is underfunded which leads to unprofessinoalism, poor culture and attitude throughout the joint. How is the Board supposed to make money without spending money? We are just shooting bullets in the dark hoping some sort of messiah comes as a big sponsor.

 

[Tom Shines]

That $9 million profit didn't fall from the sky..

It didn’t fall from the sky …. It was collected from poker machines … be proud son

 

[Jolls]

do you mean HBG is not for profit or their WT supporting arm is not for profit?

HBG is a not for profit. From the constitution:

The income and property of the Club howsoever derived shall be applied solely towards the promotion of the objectives of the Club as set forth in this Constitution and no portion thereof shall be paid or transferred directly or indirectly by way of dividend, bonus orotherwise by way of profit to the members of the Club.

The objectives are many but in short:

• To provide for members and members' guests a social and sporting Club with allt he usual facilities of a Club including residential and other accommodation liquid and other refreshment libraries and provision for sporting, musical and educational activities and other social amenities.
• To assist generally in the promotion conduct and propagation of Rugby League football in the Rugby League Football District of the Western Suburbs of Sydney, or elsewhere, and to provide or assist in the provision of training and conditioning and teaching facilities for football played in accordance with the rules of the New South Wales Rugby Football League.

In my book they are investing much more into the fist objective than the second - if I have it right (adn I may be incorrect) they are trying to make Wests Tigers profitable - that is not an objective in the constitution.

 

[Jolls]

Tom, throwing around "greedy" while Liquor and Gaming cleared HBG suggests more heat than light.
That $9 million profit didn't fall from the sky...it came from decades of building the Magpies legacy, not flashy NRL success.
And despite constant resistance, HBG still subsidise Wests Tigers far more than Balmain does.

BZN, have a look at what the constituition outlines as the objectives. Magpies/Balmain don't get a mention. Neither does Wests Tigers for that matter but it is implied that the profits are reinvested in the clubs and Footy in the region. The income doesnt come from Balmain or Wests Magpies - it comes from HBG assets to be distributed to meet the objectives outlined in the constitution.

 

[BZN]

Balmain's contribution, and Wests' contribution for that matter is irrelevant. You can argue all you want about who has paid more or pays more - but that has nothing to do with Wests Tigers.

HBG own Wests Tigers and is responsible for its performance. Wests Tigers has representation from both founding clubs, HBG and a bunch of independents.

Wests Tigers is an arm of HBG, just as the clubs they run are. Wests Tigers aren't there to generate $ their responsibility to HBG is to win premierships. The club is short staffed and punches well abouve its funded weight - but that effort only gets us to winning three spoons.

HBG is a not for profit set up to support Wests Tigers (and maintain and operate the clubs). So why are all the $ going back to the patrons of the clubs if Wests Tigers are underperforming? If we were top 4 and cruising along - sure invest more heavily into the clubs.

HBG should be focussed, like any business, on achieving its outcomes. If something is underperforming it needs to understand why and invest in an appropriate strategy to improve performance. They had 9M beer tokens in profit to distribute and chose to continue its underinvestment in Wests Tigers to the detriment of the club. Is that appropriate management?

What does "9M beer tokens" mean?

 

[Jolls]

What does "9M beer tokens" mean?

the $9 million dollars in profit

 

[BZN]

BZN, have a look at what the constituition outlines as the objectives. Magpies/Balmain don't get a mention. Neither does Wests Tigers for that matter but it is implied that the profits are reinvested in the clubs and Footy in the region. The income doesnt come from Balmain or Wests Magpies - it comes from HBG assets to be distributed to meet the objectives outlined in the constitution.

Where did HBG assets come from?

 

[BZN]

the $9 million dollars in profit

Jolls, you can dress it up as "beer tokens" or call it what you like...$9 million is $9 million, and that kind of profit deserves serious consideration, not flippancy.
HBG didn't stumble on it by luck...it's the result of generations of Magpies building a club from the ground up.

The real issue isn't how the earnings are labelled...it's how they're accused of hoarding it while continuing to out-fund Balmain and carry the JV.

If the goal is better performance, then maybe stop belittling the few who are actually bankrolling it.

 

[Jolls]

Where did HBG assets come from?

What does that matter - the constituation is pretty clear on what the objectives are. It doesn't matter who provided what as the foundation. The HBG developed a constitution to deliver the objective I posted before. One is the provide clubs for the benefits of members and the other sis to support Wests Tigers. They own and underperforming asset in Wests Tigers. HBG have a responsibility invest appropriately to to make them successful. At the moment you would have to say that they are under-investing in success