$50 Million reason Wests Tigers are prepared to quit Campbelltown.

[innsaneink]

Does anyone know what the Dogs contract situation is at Homebush?

Pus just said the dogs initially were going to take sundays 95 GF anniversary game against manly to.perth then they decided to take it to Allianz "to see how their members like it"

Maybe a view to the future

 

[Wallyfunk1]

The issue with cambo ,Leichhardt and all the other areas mentioned in this thread comes down to one thing
Population Density growth
sure cambo and its surrounding areas (including places like Oran park) are growing ,but by single dwelling family homes.not the high density growth that the government looks for

When the government is looking at spending money on new services , they try and look for projects that will improve the lives of the most amount of people possible
This is why areas with high density population gets things first

Cambo and certainly not Leichhardt will never be a high density areas with the likes of say Surry hills or paddington ,so there is no incentive for the government to build or upgrade anything

There is one place within our catchment (or close to it ) that would be perfect for the government to sit up and take notice and it’s not even built yet.


I don’t who we should blame weather it be Richo , Barry O or the muppets at Holman group ,but we should have really gone hard at the government and the NRL to build a new stadium for us at Bradfield.

The plans for Bradfield have recently been released and of course there is no planned stadium there(yet).

it’s such and easy sell .
the government wants Bradfield to be the 3rd major city in NSW behind the CBD and Parra.

It has the space ,it will have the development ,it will eventually have the transport and most importantly it will have high density population.


All we needed to do was to push the narrative that Bradfield won’t be successful without a stadium
and a team to support
(And let’s be honest if they think that sticking a population of a couple hundred thousand people in apartment towers in a new city in the middle of nowhere will be successful without things like a stadium or a team then they are dreaming )

guarantee 11 of our 12 home games be played there (1 retro game per year at leichhardt) and the government would have caved

From a game logistic perspective
It’s right next to a airport so out of town/state teams could literally fly in/out for the game and for the teams like the warriors or the PNG or Perth where fly in fly out may be to strenuous there will be hotels next door

Build a west tigers branded leagues club next to the stadium (owned by wests or whoever) and we become a force like the panthers or the bulldogs

It’s close enough for the cambo fans to travel to regularly
(and when the train link between leppington and Bradfield is announced and completed it will be a breeze)

I fear we have missed our opportunity to really push the narrative for Bradfield to be our new permanent home and had the Leichhardt and cambo upgrades as plan B in case it fell through or was delayed for too long

It still might happen in the next 5-10 years but it’s a harder sell when we have been pushing governments and councils for a hundreds of millions to upgrade a couple of old stadiums now

 

[Tom Shines]

The issue with cambo ,Leichhardt and all the other areas mentioned in this thread comes down to one thing
Population Density growth
sure cambo and its surrounding areas (including places like Oran park) are growing ,but by single dwelling family homes.not the high density growth that the government looks for

When the government is looking at spending money on new services , they try and look for projects that will improve the lives of the most amount of people possible
This is why areas with high density population gets things first

Cambo and certainly not Leichhardt will never be a high density areas with the likes of say Surry hills or paddington ,so there is no incentive for the government to build or upgrade anything

There is one place within our catchment (or close to it ) that would be perfect for the government to sit up and take notice and it’s not even built yet.


I don’t who we should blame weather it be Richo , Barry O or the muppets at Holman group ,but we should have really gone hard at the government and the NRL to build a new stadium for us at Bradfield.

The plans for Bradfield have recently been released and of course there is no planned stadium there(yet).

it’s such and easy sell .
the government wants Bradfield to be the 3rd major city in NSW behind the CBD and Parra.

It has the space ,it will have the development ,it will eventually have the transport and most importantly it will have high density population.


All we needed to do was to push the narrative that Bradfield won’t be successful without a stadium
and a team to support
(And let’s be honest if they think that sticking a population of a couple hundred thousand people in apartment towers in a new city in the middle of nowhere will be successful without things like a stadium or a team then they are dreaming )

guarantee 11 of our 12 home games be played there (1 retro game per year at leichhardt) and the government would have caved

From a game logistic perspective
It’s right next to a airport so out of town/state teams could literally fly in/out for the game and for the teams like the warriors or the PNG or Perth where fly in fly out may be to strenuous there will be hotels next door

Build a west tigers branded leagues club next to the stadium (owned by wests or whoever) and we become a force like the panthers or the bulldogs

It’s close enough for the cambo fans to travel to regularly
(and when the train link between leppington and Bradfield is announced and completed it will be a breeze)

I fear we have missed our opportunity to really push the narrative for Bradfield to be our new permanent home and had the Leichhardt and cambo upgrades as plan B in case it fell through or was delayed for too long

It still might happen in the next 5-10 years but it’s a harder sell when we have been pushing governments and councils for a hundreds of millions to upgrade a couple of old stadiums now

I doubt it …Mimms was never going to commit to a new stadium for Bradfield ( don’t you know the hospitals are in crisis ?)

So far only $50 mil has been committed to Leichhardt ( not hundreds of millions) and only half of this was State money

 

[weststigers]

The issue with cambo ,Leichhardt and all the other areas mentioned in this thread comes down to one thing
Population Density growth
sure cambo and its surrounding areas (including places like Oran park) are growing ,but by single dwelling family homes.not the high density growth that the government looks for

When the government is looking at spending money on new services , they try and look for projects that will improve the lives of the most amount of people possible
This is why areas with high density population gets things first

Cambo and certainly not Leichhardt will never be a high density areas with the likes of say Surry hills or paddington ,so there is no incentive for the government to build or upgrade anything

There is one place within our catchment (or close to it ) that would be perfect for the government to sit up and take notice and it’s not even built yet.


I don’t who we should blame weather it be Richo , Barry O or the muppets at Holman group ,but we should have really gone hard at the government and the NRL to build a new stadium for us at Bradfield.

The plans for Bradfield have recently been released and of course there is no planned stadium there(yet).

it’s such and easy sell .
the government wants Bradfield to be the 3rd major city in NSW behind the CBD and Parra.

It has the space ,it will have the development ,it will eventually have the transport and most importantly it will have high density population.


All we needed to do was to push the narrative that Bradfield won’t be successful without a stadium
and a team to support
(And let’s be honest if they think that sticking a population of a couple hundred thousand people in apartment towers in a new city in the middle of nowhere will be successful without things like a stadium or a team then they are dreaming )

guarantee 11 of our 12 home games be played there (1 retro game per year at leichhardt) and the government would have caved

From a game logistic perspective
It’s right next to a airport so out of town/state teams could literally fly in/out for the game and for the teams like the warriors or the PNG or Perth where fly in fly out may be to strenuous there will be hotels next door

Build a west tigers branded leagues club next to the stadium (owned by wests or whoever) and we become a force like the panthers or the bulldogs

It’s close enough for the cambo fans to travel to regularly
(and when the train link between leppington and Bradfield is announced and completed it will be a breeze)

I fear we have missed our opportunity to really push the narrative for Bradfield to be our new permanent home and had the Leichhardt and cambo upgrades as plan B in case it fell through or was delayed for too long

It still might happen in the next 5-10 years but it’s a harder sell when we have been pushing governments and councils for a hundreds of millions to upgrade a couple of old stadiums now

Homebush is surrounded by high density and the games never get a huge turnout, yet Leichhardt does. It has less to do with population and more to do with atmosphere and a great day out.

i think it would be a huge mistake to give up playing at Leichhardt, particularly with funding for the new upgrade.

 

[Tom Shines]

I was watching the Wests Life latest pod, with David Riccio …

Literally just a one liner ,..but he said he was confident about Campbelltown getting the money for the upgrade ,,,👍…. Hopefully not just an opinion but something he has heard

 

[rihannafan1]

I was watching the Wests Life latest pod, with David Riccio …

Literally just a one liner ,..but he said he was confident about Campbelltown getting the money for the upgrade ,,,👍…. Hopefully not just an opinion but something he has heard

I heard that too. And I've heard that if the money comes it won't be because the Tigers are the main tenant.

 

[innsaneink]

I heard that too. And I've heard that if the money comes it won't be because the Tigers are the main tenant.

That doesn't matter.... the bulls play there more i think already

 

[rihannafan1]

That doesn't matter.... the bulls play there more i think already

As an aside, will the Bulls be a tenant for that much longer? Average attendance of 4674.

 

[tiger_one]

As an aside, will the Bulls be a tenant for that much longer? Average attendance of 4674.

Macarthur FC plays 13 games there each year.

 

[Tom Shines]

I heard that too. And I've heard that if the money comes it won't be because the Tigers are the main tenant.

Who is ?

What other tenant is campaigning for the upgrade ?
Here is what the Council has said ….the NRL and NRLW specifically mentioned and Richo quoted

Call for State and Federal Funding to Upgrade Campbelltown Stadium

Campbelltown City Council is renewing its call for urgent investment from both the state and federal governments to upgrade Campbelltown Stadium, following ongoing advocacy efforts aimed at transforming the precinct into a premier sporting and events destination in Macarthur.

www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au

 

[innsaneink]

As an aside, will the Bulls be a tenant for that much longer? Average attendance of 4674.

I dunno....dont follow it.
Do you know how that crowd average stacks up compared to the rest of the A-League?

 

[rihannafan1]

I dunno....dont follow it.
Do you know how that crowd average stacks up compared to the rest of the A-League?

Poorly. 9080 is average attendance, although that average is bolstered quite a bit by the 15k that attended Sydney FC matches and 12k that attended Melbourne Victory.

 

[Wallyfunk1]

Homebush is surrounded by high density and the games never get a huge turnout, yet Leichhardt does. It has less to do with population and more to do with atmosphere and a great day out.

i think it would be a huge mistake to give up playing at Leichhardt, particularly with funding for the new upgrade.

The population for Olympic park currently sits around less the ten thousand people
but they are throwing huge developments and cash into it and want a population there of 30k by 2050

This also confirms my point that high density is important to the government
does Olympic park really need a light rail line for 10k people at the moment no ,but it’s getting one

(And the argument is poor because everyone hates the Olympic stadium)

Build a bespoke rectangular stadium at Bradfield with a projected population of double that of Olympic park and a full time tenant and they will come in droves

 

[balmain boy]

The issue with cambo ,Leichhardt and all the other areas mentioned in this thread comes down to one thing
Population Density growth
sure cambo and its surrounding areas (including places like Oran park) are growing ,but by single dwelling family homes.not the high density growth that the government looks for

When the government is looking at spending money on new services , they try and look for projects that will improve the lives of the most amount of people possible
This is why areas with high density population gets things first

Cambo and certainly not Leichhardt will never be a high density areas with the likes of say Surry hills or paddington ,so there is no incentive for the government to build or upgrade anything

There is one place within our catchment (or close to it ) that would be perfect for the government to sit up and take notice and it’s not even built yet.


I don’t who we should blame weather it be Richo , Barry O or the muppets at Holman group ,but we should have really gone hard at the government and the NRL to build a new stadium for us at Bradfield.

The plans for Bradfield have recently been released and of course there is no planned stadium there(yet).

it’s such and easy sell .
the government wants Bradfield to be the 3rd major city in NSW behind the CBD and Parra.

It has the space ,it will have the development ,it will eventually have the transport and most importantly it will have high density population.


All we needed to do was to push the narrative that Bradfield won’t be successful without a stadium
and a team to support
(And let’s be honest if they think that sticking a population of a couple hundred thousand people in apartment towers in a new city in the middle of nowhere will be successful without things like a stadium or a team then they are dreaming )

guarantee 11 of our 12 home games be played there (1 retro game per year at leichhardt) and the government would have caved

From a game logistic perspective
It’s right next to a airport so out of town/state teams could literally fly in/out for the game and for the teams like the warriors or the PNG or Perth where fly in fly out may be to strenuous there will be hotels next door

Build a west tigers branded leagues club next to the stadium (owned by wests or whoever) and we become a force like the panthers or the bulldogs

It’s close enough for the cambo fans to travel to regularly
(and when the train link between leppington and Bradfield is announced and completed it will be a breeze)

I fear we have missed our opportunity to really push the narrative for Bradfield to be our new permanent home and had the Leichhardt and cambo upgrades as plan B in case it fell through or was delayed for too long

It still might happen in the next 5-10 years but it’s a harder sell when we have been pushing governments and councils for a hundreds of millions to upgrade a couple of old stadiums now

A lot of delusion, thinking we should go all in on a currently fictional town in the middle of nowhere.

All we need to do is find more corrupt politicians to exploit, like Penrith did.

 

[weststigers]

The population for Olympic park currently sits around less the ten thousand people
but they are throwing huge developments and cash into it and want a population there of 30k by 2050

This also confirms my point that high density is important to the government
does Olympic park really need a light rail line for 10k people at the moment no ,but it’s getting one

(And the argument is poor because everyone hates the Olympic stadium)

Build a bespoke rectangular stadium at Bradfield with a projected population of double that of Olympic park and a full time tenant and they will come in droves

Yeah but Wentworth Point, Auburn etc. Sit right next to Homebush. Then there's Strathfield, Homebush West etc. Way more than 10,000 around there.

 

[Tom Shines]

The government is not going to spend money on a stadium for one club, with little commitment to the area/site. Penrith are established at Mulgoa Road, with their Leagues Palace directly across the road.

There's also this philosophy of building/moving to a growth area, and not a central area accessible by existing supporters. Western Suburbs/Balmain, and newer Wests Tigers fans are all over the metropolitan. Unfortunately it's tough to do an accurate member analysis of where the supporters are concentrated, because the membership data is skint. But you're asking the government to invest millions on a project for an organisation (and ownership organisation) who have a tendency to flip-flop, fark up, and continuously move their region of focus, and a history of in-fighting and pulling in different directions.

It's shit to say, but Parramatta is the future. There's an existing stadium, a very good stadium, a beautiful stadium, in the middle of the metropolitan, and accessed by numerous transport options, lots of transport, new and existing transport. Just don't visit Parramatta Leagues.

my preference is to play the games out of Campbelltown and LO ..if both are refurbed and can accomodate 20k crowds and decent returns on corporates..

LO is happening already, and David Riccio expects Campbelltown to happen as well…

Playing somewhere where you are a second class citizen in your own home doesnt do much for me personally…although it’s preferred over that ghost town at Homebush

 

[TIGERS]

It's shit to say, but Parramatta is the future. There's an existing stadium, a very good stadium, a beautiful stadium, in the middle of the metropolitan, and accessed by numerous transport options, lots of transport, new and existing transport. Just don't visit Parramatta Leagues.

Not shit at all dude. I bleed Campbelltown. Grew up watching footy there from 1993 onwards. Jason Taylor, Tommy, and then the Glory Days. Had my school carnivals there. Grew up and lived in housing commission in Minto. I know my shit.

Campbelltown will never work, and never give us what the 'experts' think it will unless the club moves there. And that's never going to happen.

Our juniors would rather play at Commbank than Campbelltown anyway. Half our catchment area, is like Picton and Camden and wants next to nothing to do with Campbelltown in general. Galvin is a great example of this and so is Tedesco. The only batch of juniors that cared about Campbelltown was Fulton, Gibbs, Collis et al. They came up with Tommy's magpies, but that's totally vanished from the area and no young footy player coming up in that area now experiences nothing that we should expect young players to be loyal to.

People talk about us being like Penrith, with our volume of junior players etc..... but imagine if Penrith Panthers played 5 games a year in Madeira Club in Marrickville and you never got a single quote from any Penrith player ever about how important their presence out west was to the make up of their club. We are kidding ourselves.

We are better off just being the mercantile club that we are. Instead of this.. "We care about Campbelltown" cosplay. If anything, we would be more successful.

 

[Tom Shines]

The club will continue to be second-class citizens of the NRL if it continues to play out venues with limited corporate facilities, and limiting capacity under 20k.

Hence why I said this

my preference is to play the games out of Campbelltown and LO ..if both are refurbed and can accomodate 20k crowds and decent returns on corporates..

If they average 20k crowds like most of the League ..this will be fine …there are no guarantees they get more playing at Parramatta anyway… the Eels themselves averaged 18k last year

 

[lathami]

Who is ?

What other tenant is campaigning for the upgrade ?
Here is what the Council has said ….the NRL and NRLW specifically mentioned and Richo quoted

Call for State and Federal Funding to Upgrade Campbelltown Stadium

Campbelltown City Council is renewing its call for urgent investment from both the state and federal governments to upgrade Campbelltown Stadium, following ongoing advocacy efforts aimed at transforming the precinct into a premier sporting and events destination in Macarthur.

www.campbelltown.nsw.gov.au

It has the nasty smell of bulldog shite to me. Would not be surprised to find the inbreeds are trying to move into the Campbelltown area. Slimey inbred animals

 

[Lestronge]

Not shit at all dude. I bleed Campbelltown. Grew up watching footy there from 1993 onwards. Jason Taylor, Tommy, and then the Glory Days. Had my school carnivals there. Grew up and lived in housing commission in Minto. I know my shit.

Campbelltown will never work, and never give us what the 'experts' think it will unless the club moves there. And that's never going to happen.

Our juniors would rather play at Commbank than Campbelltown anyway. Half our catchment area, is like Picton and Camden and wants next to nothing to do with Campbelltown in general. Galvin is a great example of this and so is Tedesco. The only batch of juniors that cared about Campbelltown was Fulton, Gibbs, Collis et al. They came up with Tommy's magpies, but that's totally vanished from the area and no young footy player coming up in that area now experiences nothing that we should expect young players to be loyal to.

People talk about us being like Penrith, with our volume of junior players etc..... but imagine if Penrith Panthers played 5 games a year in Madeira Club in Marrickville and you never got a single quote from any Penrith player ever about how important their presence out west was to the make up of their club. We are kidding ourselves.

We are better off just being the mercantile club that we are. Instead of this.. "We care about Campbelltown" cosplay. If anything, we would be more successful.

It’s getting worse as the new developments happen out in Orange County Park , and as it heads down northern road well past cobbity and towards leppington . My guess is those teams once they get the participation numbers will be able to chose between Penrith and wests , like teams in the Liverpool area between wests and parramatta .
The problem with the wests brand … and this is going to piss a lot of people off , is it’s synonymous with battling and struggling in life . And whilst that can be a call to arms , it can also be a huge deterrent as many people , in fact most people , want to push past whatever station in life they either think they are in their head , or literally are .
The fibros v silver tails thing seems to really have captured many guys who are now 60 plus , it just doesn’t resonate with today’s youth . You can blame americanisation , you can blame the you tube/ tik tok brain , you can say kids are disloyal , forget where they came from bla bla bla … whatever floats your boat . It doesn’t change the fact that Wests and Campbelltown is a brand associated with failure and struggling in life/ battling .
Like I said that is not attractive to many kids out that way , especially if they grew up on acreage and upper middle out Camden way to Picton , or in the new estates both on the outskirts of c town , down towards Douglas park or the new estates in and around Narrellan.
I don’t say any of that to gloat or turn my nose up or anything . Nor am I commenting on the validity or truth of that , the way of life or anything . Just merely commenting on perception and brand recognition .