$50 Million reason Wests Tigers are prepared to quit Campbelltown.

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

I was talking about Leichhardt and inner west being tokenistic with 3 games at Leichhardt to Campbelltowns 8. If Campbelltown "is the future", why even bother with the inner west?

Because heritage needs to always be acknowledged and respected 👍

 

[GNR4LIFE]

How?
How on earth does a ground cost 300 Million!

Hospitals cost less. I mean 300 Million, that's at least 10 houses in Sydney expensive@!$@!#

I mean sure, I like screens. But even Lidcombe can have a screen.. they are dear but not millions dear!
What you get a seat, Who cares if it is buttcracking plastic or fancy foam.

Far out. for 50m I would expect C'town to have gold seats!

I don’t know how much 150 million buys these days. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s enough to just get both grounds up to scratch and nothing more. No expectations of a Commbank type deal. Penrith probably will be though.

 

[Tom Shines]

I don’t know how much 150 million buys these days. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s enough to just get both grounds up to scratch and nothing more. No expectations of a Commbank type deal. Penrith probably will be though.

I thought it was $110m between the two ?

I know the other guy said this ..,but I haven’t seen a $300m hospital in Sydney for a while

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I thought it was $110m between the two ?

I know the other guy said this ..,but I haven’t seen a $300m hospital in Sydney for a while

Maybe it’s 50 each then. Even more minuscule.

 

[Tom Shines]

Maybe it’s 50 each then. Even more minuscule.

I think $50m for LO and $60m for Cambo…

Yeah .. it’s not gunna go far these days .. and it’s concerning commencement dates for the works are still a couple of years away which won’t help keeping it to the budget …

Better than nothing I guess … we know it’s tough getting anything in the current environment

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

Screw half the fanbase aye ! . I find it funny that most old school / new school wests tigers / tigers fans talk about the most optimal solution is unity in sharing between the two. Yet dinosaur 75 plus geriatrics , who live in the north coast , so THEY DONT EVEN LIVE IN THE AREA!!!!!!!!! Talk about it all going 1 way . It’s beyond selfish and narcissistic to me .
I would respect you and that bozo BZN opinion if you actually lived and were advocating for something that directly affected you personally , but literally the only reason you’re advocating is because of some weird nostalgic loyalty to an area you already deemed not good enough , BECAUSE YOUD STILL LIVE THERE , IF YOU EVER DID!
I don’t live in the inner west like I did in my 20s , nor the south west as I did when I was kid , for me I’d love Ctown to be better than it is , as it’s the nearest stadium to me and mine . But it’s not … and rather than playing the post code wars and arguments from 2000, respect the fact that these are real issues and need to be resolved .
Also there’s next to sweet FA upper end of town corporates in the south west . Maybe out narrellan , down Camden valley way there’s a few big businesses there , but really most upper end of town business don’t want to be associated with a team , which personifies lower socio economic . And as far as “wests” go , even used it as a coat of arms and rally cry . Thats an issue that will need to be resolved , and housing/ endless stepford wives , cookie cutter homes , has zero bearing on this fact .
I think the new city they’re taking about building should be looked at heavily by the club , and I’d have argued that we should have looked to have built a brand new stadium there , rather than fixing up C town .

That was quite possibly the most incoherent post I’ve ever read. But congrats on the entertainment value.

Firstly, your grasp of geography is interesting. Yeah mate, Terrigal, just south of Nambucca Heads 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Jolls]

How?
How on earth does a ground cost 300 Million!

Hospitals cost less. I mean 300 Million, that's at least 10 houses in Sydney expensive@!$@!#

I mean sure, I like screens. But even Lidcombe can have a screen.. they are dear but not millions dear!
What you get a seat, Who cares if it is buttcracking plastic or fancy foam.

Far out. for 50m I would expect C'town to have gold seats!

I think you will be disappointed CC.

$110M gets you nothing especially given it's government funding. That means there needs to be a strategic business case raised and presented for consideration and approval etc - that is all included in the capital budget so by the time the consultants get it done they will chew through around $2M. Add in 2.5 to 3% per annum in CPI and that will reduce the buying power in real terms by around $10M. So by the time construction comes around we will be looking at $44M for LO and $55M for CAmbo.

I struggled to find something current, in real $ terms, that equates to what we are looking at. The closest I could find, that is publicly available, is the Queensland Government funding of a $62.78 million redevelopment of Browne Park (Rockhampton, QLD) to provide a fit-for-purpose regional facility.
Browne Park Redevelopment

Based on what it is costing the QLD governemnt in today's $ we are likely to see:

• Seating Capacity Upgrade:
  Replace a single grandstand with a three-level 3,500-seat grandstand featuring a roof with improved sightlines, new seating to meet current accessibility compliance (ramps/lifts).
• Facilities Modernisation:
  New player change rooms (M/F), recovery and medical facilities, referees’ rooms, and upgraded media/press facilities.
• Spectator Amenities:
  Improved food/beverage outlets, upgraded toilets, family-friendly zones.
• Technology & Safety:
  LED lighting to broadcast standard, upgraded big screens, improved PA/security systems.
• Partial Roof Structures:
  Roof coverage for parts of the redeveloped stand, but not full coverage across the stadium.

For $309M Penrith will end up with:

• New western stand including improved:
  • player facilities catering for both male and female sports
  • visitor amenities
  • food and beverage areas
  • grandstand seating.
• New eastern stand, including:
  • spectator amenities
  • food and beverage areas
  • grandstand seating.
• Refurbished and new stadium entries on the northern and western boundaries.
• Upgrades to the existing western training field to create:
  • a dedicated player warm-up area
  • an activation hub at the western entry to the stadium
  • additional event day car parking.

So when you look at it in the bigger picture for Wests Tigers the players and corporates will get much better facilities and there will be some improved seating, toilet facilities and disabled access to meet modern requirements along with better food delivery capabilities. The rest of the grounds will get some new lipstick.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

Screw half the fanbase aye ! . I find it funny that most old school / new school wests tigers / tigers fans talk about the most optimal solution is unity in sharing between the two. Yet dinosaur 75 plus geriatrics , who live in the north coast , so THEY DONT EVEN LIVE IN THE AREA!!!!!!!!! Talk about it all going 1 way . It’s beyond selfish and narcissistic to me .
I would respect you and that bozo BZN opinion if you actually lived and were advocating for something that directly affected you personally , but literally the only reason you’re advocating is because of some weird nostalgic loyalty to an area you already deemed not good enough , BECAUSE YOUD STILL LIVE THERE , IF YOU EVER DID!
I don’t live in the inner west like I did in my 20s , nor the south west as I did when I was kid , for me I’d love Ctown to be better than it is , as it’s the nearest stadium to me and mine . But it’s not … and rather than playing the post code wars and arguments from 2000, respect the fact that these are real issues and need to be resolved .
Also there’s next to sweet FA upper end of town corporates in the south west . Maybe out narrellan , down Camden valley way there’s a few big businesses there , but really most upper end of town business don’t want to be associated with a team , which personifies lower socio economic . And as far as “wests” go , even used it as a coat of arms and rally cry . Thats an issue that will need to be resolved , and housing/ endless stepford wives , cookie cutter homes , has zero bearing on this fact .
I think the new city they’re taking about building should be looked at heavily by the club , and I’d have argued that we should have looked to have built a brand new stadium there , rather than fixing up C town .

You go on to say that anyone who doesn’t live in Leichhardt or Leumeah has no right to be invested in the Wests Tigers (even though you later step on a rake when you admit that you also don’t live within a punt kick of our home grounds).

For your info - I grew up in Strathfield and later lived for a decade and a half in Ashfield when these locales were Western Suburbs heartland. Hence my support of Wests.

My view that Wests Tigers need to relocate to the south-west is one that is universally supported by anyone with a smidge of rugby league credibility (including Richo). The non action for a quarter of a century on this front is a major reason why our club has failed to progress. In the next few decades the south-west is projected to grow from less than half a million people to over three quarters of a million. And given the insane immigration growth across Sydney during recent times - these projections will be conservative estimates.

Everyone is in support of playing a few games at Leichhardt - but our patch has to be the Macarthur. I don’t see why you say “screw half the fan base aye”. Are you suggesting we have a squillion fans who live in Mary St ? As you yourself said - you live closer to Leumeah than Leichhardt. It’s actually easier for me to get to Leichhardt - but mate, this isn’t about you or me ... it’s about what’s best for the Wests Tigers.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Richos deal expired a few yrs ago and Blake Solly extended it

Don't let the facts get in the way of someone's ragefest.

 

[innsaneink]

I’m not aware he has a mental illness… just assumed he was a smarmy smartarse who pushes the boundaries.
Maybe you didn’t see the recent previous posts between us.
I have stood up for him on the odd occasion when he has been taken on but there’s a point you draw the line when it’s deserved.

Im not inferring he has any illness as well...imo the "youre off your meds" line etc etc referes to mental illness generally and we all know these days how serious a problem that is in the community .
We dont know what others are going thru...

 

[innsaneink]

How?
How on earth does a ground cost 300 Million!

Hospitals cost less. I mean 300 Million, that's at least 10 houses in Sydney expensive@!$@!#

I mean sure, I like screens. But even Lidcombe can have a screen.. they are dear but not millions dear!
What you get a seat, Who cares if it is buttcracking plastic or fancy foam.

Far out. for 50m I would expect C'town to have gold seats!

St george hospital

311m for the building and 26m for carparking.

St George Hospital Redevelopment – Stage 3

The $411 million St George Hospital Redevelopment - Stage 3 is an important boost to healthcare services for the local St George and Sutherland communities.

www.nsw.gov.au

 

[GNR4LIFE]

You go on to say that anyone who doesn’t live in Leichhardt or Leumeah has no right to be invested in the Wests Tigers (even though you later step on a rake when you admit that you also don’t live within a punt kick of our home grounds).

For your info - I grew up in Strathfield and later lived for a decade and a half in Ashfield when these locales were Western Suburbs heartland. Hence my support of Wests.

My view that Wests Tigers need to relocate to the south-west is one that is universally supported by anyone with a smidge of rugby league credibility (including Richo). The non action for a quarter of a century on this front is a major reason why our club has failed to progress. In the next few decades the south-west is projected to grow from less than half a million people to over three quarters of a million. And given the insane immigration growth across Sydney during recent times - these projections will be conservative estimates.

Everyone is in support of playing a few games at Leichhardt - but our patch has to be the Macarthur. I don’t see why you say “screw half the fan base aye”. Are you suggesting we have a squillion fans who live in Mary St ? As you yourself said - you live closer to Leumeah than Leichhardt. It’s actually easier for me to get to Leichhardt - but mate, this isn’t about you or me ... it’s about what’s best for the Wests Tigers.

I say it over and over. Drive along Camden Valley Way, starting at Leppington, all the way out to Camden. 20-25 years ago it was all bush. Now you have estates popping up everywhere. And it’s only expanding. Imagine it in another 25 years. Will go all the way out to the razorback and beyond.

 

[Lestronge]

I say it over and over. Drive along Camden Valley Way, starting at Leppington, all the way out to Camden. 20-25 years ago it was all bush. Now you have estates popping up everywhere. And it’s only expanding. Imagine it in another 25 years. Will go all the way out to the razorback and beyond.

How much money is that generating ? By that logic you’d plonk a team at kellyville , or the ponds .
And that is actually way more sensible as Norwest is right there and direct access to huge companies .
What’s at Ctown ? Nothing . It’s all narellan towards Liverpool . That’s 20 mins - 30 mins away from Ctown .
My issue isn’t the region . My issue is the ground , the access and the antiquated idea that Ctown itself is the epicentre of the south west .
I actually think it’s moved towards the new airport , and the money should be put into building something along that rail corridor , especially at the new city they’re building .

 

[innsaneink]

I don’t know how much 150 million buys these days. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s enough to just get both grounds up to scratch and nothing more. No expectations of a Commbank type deal. Penrith probably will be though.

Penrith is.like a 60% parra...stadium type sidelines nothing at the ends

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Penrith is.like a 60% parra...stadium type sidelines nothing at the ends
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Sheesh. Hate to see what 50 million buys. Like I said, clearly they just want to get both grounds up to scratch. Nothing more.

 

[Bus 2 Terrigal]

How much money is that generating ? By that logic you’d plonk a team at kellyville , or the ponds .
And that is actually way more sensible as Norwest is right there and direct access to huge companies .
What’s at Ctown ? Nothing . It’s all narellan towards Liverpool . That’s 20 mins - 30 mins away from Ctown .
My issue isn’t the region . My issue is the ground , the access and the antiquated idea that Ctown itself is the epicentre of the south west .
I actually think it’s moved towards the new airport , and the money should be put into building something along that rail corridor , especially at the new city they’re building .

Mate your p*sing about with minute detail.

The pressing issue is we need to show a genuine commitment to the region. When we’ve done the hard yards with respect actually playing a majority of home games out there, we will slowly but surely connect with what (in no time) will be a massive part of Sydney. An area filled with young families, kids playing and supporting rugby league etc etc

It’s a no brainer !

 

[innsaneink]

I thought it was $110m between the two ?

I know the other guy said this ..,but I haven’t seen a $300m hospital in Sydney for a while

It gets you a 4 level wing with no carspaces...a.fraction of a hospital

 

[Lestronge]

You go on to say that anyone who doesn’t live in Leichhardt or Leumeah has no right to be invested in the Wests Tigers (even though you later step on a rake when you admit that you also don’t live within a punt kick of our home grounds).

For your info - I grew up in Strathfield and later lived for a decade and a half in Ashfield when these locales were Western Suburbs heartland. Hence my support of Wests.

My view that Wests Tigers need to relocate to the south-west is one that is universally supported by anyone with a smidge of rugby league credibility (including Richo). The non action for a quarter of a century on this front is a major reason why our club has failed to progress. In the next few decades the south-west is projected to grow from less than half a million people to over three quarters of a million. And given the insane immigration growth across Sydney during recent times - these projections will be conservative estimates.

Everyone is in support of playing a few games at Leichhardt - but our patch has to be the Macarthur. I don’t see why you say “screw half the fan base aye”. Are you suggesting we have a squillion fans who live in Mary St ? As you yourself said - you live closer to Leumeah than Leichhardt. It’s actually easier for me to get to Leichhardt - but mate, this isn’t about you or me ... it’s about what’s best for the Wests Tigers.

I’m not against moving the team . I’m against c town the ground as it stands .
The issue is , maybe I’ve misunderstood you , and if so I apologise , but that’s the first time I’ve seen you admit the need for both sides and unity . I also think playing the majority of games there should . Key word , should , be the future . I’m just not convinced there’s enough local support both commercially and fan support to justify it .
I think at our heart , we are an inner west club basically Ashfield towards the city along the parra river .
After now really in 2 years, 50 years both wests and the wests tigers have found it really hard to gain traction . I mean I could be wrong it could simply be the team is shit . And the traction is there , just people don’t want to turn up to watch us lose the titans in 3 degrees at 6pm on a Sunday in the middle of July .
I’m just not convinced , and I think it would be stupid to move the club based on annecdotal evidence around growth , where there’s been no actual evidence that it’s true .
I look at the titans , and the abandonment of them now they’re winning the spoon and see a very similar communities between the south west and the Gold Coast .

 

[BZN]

I know this. I am just trying to understand why there is such a big push to play out of Campbelltown, when it seems no one actually wants to. We had to fight hard to get funding for the stadium, the performances are awful and there doesn't seem to be a large supporter base who care at all for the Tigers out there. There are just as many, if not more Dogs and Souths fans out there. There was a brief period of 12 years where the Magpies played some games out there, but they didn't base themselves there.

Not looking to start another verbal war here, so I won't be drawn into one...but I do think it's worth laying out a few things that keep getting overlooked.

As has been explained many times on here, Campbelltown and the surrounding areas are one of the fastest growing regions in NSW.
The potential for new fans there is enormous, especially if we're serious about building a future facing club identity.
And that's not just about stadiums, it's about presence, relevance, and connection.

But for many long time Wests Magpies supporters, the merger felt like a disappearance act. The team they followed became "Tigers", and with that, a lot of people felt they had no club left to support, so they drifted away from the NRL, angry.

The Wests in our name doesn't mean much to younger fans today...ask around and most wouldn't have a clue who Wests were.
To them it's just a vague spot on the map somewhere between Parra and Penrith.

Symbols matter. Fans rally around them...Tigers, Rabbits, Raiders, the Dogs of War.
The Magpies used to have a lot of people rallying around their flag.
Losing it meant losing a visual identity that generations of fans connected with.
That's not nostalgia, it's branding, culture and community.

We can't build a future by ignoring the past, but we also can't grow by clinging to a fractured identity.

Campbelltown offers a chance to unify, expand, and evolve.

LET'S NOT WASTE IT.

 

[Tom Shines]

Not looking to start another verbal war here, so I won't be drawn into one...but I do think it's worth laying out a few things that keep getting overlooked.

As has been explained many times on here, Campbelltown and the surrounding areas are one of the fastest growing regions in NSW.
The potential for new fans there is enormous, especially if we're serious about building a future facing club identity.
And that's not just about stadiums, it's about presence, relevance, and connection.

But for many long time Wests Magpies supporters, the merger felt like a disappearance act. The team they followed became "Tigers", and with that, a lot of people felt they had no club left to support, so they drifted away from the NRL, angry.

The Wests in our name doesn't mean much to younger fans today...ask around and most wouldn't have a clue who Wests were.
To them it's just a vague spot on the map somewhere between Parra and Penrith.

Symbols matter. Fans rally around them...Tigers, Rabbits, Raiders, the Dogs of War.
The Magpies used to have a lot of people rallying around their flag.
Losing it meant losing a visual identity that generations of fans connected with.
That's not nostalgia, it's branding, culture and community.

We can't build a future by ignoring the past, but we also can't grow by clinging to a fractured identity.

Campbelltown offers a chance to unify, expand, and evolve.

LET'S NOT WASTE IT.

What you say might have substance…but it’s the past … this commitment is not about the magpies fans from 25 years ago as harsh as that might seem …the audience they should be targeting in the South West now, will have little or no recollections of when the Wests Magpies were still around in the top grade