Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

A coach is only as good as the squad he has to work with and all coaches are impacted by things out of their control - injuries, player unrest, off field incidents lack of salary cap.
All the coaches that have come to this club have been behind the eight ball due to the perception and administration of the club even before they looked at the salary cap and the weaknesses in the squad..
Cleary and Maguire are examples of their potential to be successful at successfully run clubs - both who took up positions at organisations with great resources and great systems in place for long term success.
Nothing like the WTs.
 
Telltails said:
A coach is only as good as the squad he has to work with and all coaches are impacted by things out of their control - injuries, player unrest, off field incidents lack of salary cap.
All the coaches that have come to this club have been behind the eight ball due to the perception and administration of the club even before they looked at the salary cap and the weaknesses in the squad..
Cleary and Maguire are examples of their potential to be successful at successfully run clubs - both who took up positions at organisations with great resources and great systems in place for long term success.
Nothing like the WTs.
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Any coach in any sport needs the cattle ..but no coach I see survives consistent results that puts them at the foot of the table ..poor playing squad or not

Maguire is interesting though.. he went from premiership drought breaking coach at Souths to sacked in three years because they had a few seasons with a top ranked team that missed the finals and they essentially quit on him… The Broncos better get the title early with him… because his style doesn’t seem to be one built for longevity with the same playing group
 
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jirskyr said:
I met Siro when I was a kid and he was in his prime, really good guy, like you said, took time to have a chat and he could tell I was star-struck.

Blocker too. My Dad's uncle was mentally handicapped, mad Balmain fan, hanging around the club and they were super nice to him, always made time to speak to him, give him a pat on the back.

That being said I've met a bunch of the more recent players and they were mostly really polite humble guys as well, you can tell they've had PR training, but some of them are real genuine humble guys like Stefano, Blore. I was actually super impressed with Billy Walters when he was at the club, really well spoken for a bloke who wasn't getting much first grade at the time.

I think really there's only the odd arsehole, or sometimes there are only so many randoms you can cop in one day.
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I was really surprised at the time that Sirro was such a nice genuine bloke. Prior I’d only seen what the media portrayed and I was was under the impression that Sirro was one of the newer breed, the “Professional Footballer”, I guess that’s probably why I never forgot that he was a decent bloke. As opposed to Elias.
I went to a game (all 3 grades) with Poppy BF, we sat behind Loz the snoz Daley, he got there mid way through the reggies and was injured this day, he sat in the raiders player section till the end of the main game. Fair dinkum Laurie must’ve signed autographs the entire time he was there. By the time reggies was finished he had a line all the way up the steps, Poppy BF was popping and not in a good way he couldn’t see the ref. Then when Loz sat down for the main game the line started up again and it was longer. Security tried to move a line of 50+ humans, mostly unsupervised children, but every time they did, 5 mins later another line would appear.
Yeah there’s good and bad in every race, colour, culture and football team.
 
Tom Shines said:
Any coach in any sport needs the cattle ..but no coach I see survives consistent results that puts them at the foot of the table ..poor playing squad or not

Maguire is interesting though.. he went from premiership drought breaking coach at Souths to sacked in three years because they had a few seasons with a top ranked team that missed the finals and they essentially quit on him… The Broncos better get the title early with him… because his style doesn’t seem to be one built for longevity with the same playing group
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The coach might not survive at a club that has poor results but there is always so much more to that then coach - always the fall guy for the failure of others and their 'style" targeted.
The most successful clubs back their coach and move on their players - and they attract players to that system.
Some here were suggesting that Maguire would never get a professional coaching position again after his stint with us - after two successful rep stints now at arguably one the strongest clubs in the comp.
I remember Adam Reynolds name being bandied around that he would not come to Wests Tigers when Maguire was coach when we were looking for a 7 to compliment Brooks - seems more than content to play under Maguire at a successful club - maybe it had more to do with the club than the coach.
 
tigahhh said:
he didn’t with us, he has a top quality roster at the broncos i’m glad he’s doing well but recruiting was our achilles heel for many years under him.
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Madge did struggle with recruitment here, but I won’t blame him entirely for it. Given Lee and Pascoe were around during his tenure with us, having those 2 around almost made us look like a basket case almost every week. Especially Lee.
 
Telltails said:
The coach might not survive at a club that has poor results but there is always so much more to that then coach - always the fall guy for the failure of others and their 'style" targeted.
The most successful clubs back their coach and move on their players - and they attract players to that system.
Some here were suggesting that Maguire would never get a professional coaching position again after his stint with us - after two successful rep stints now at arguably one the strongest clubs in the comp.
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The most “successful” clubs indeed keep their coaches .. because they are successful …if they stop having success they get rid of the coach

I just said that Souths had ultimate success with Maguire ..: then canned him three years later … what happened there? Bennett went there next for three years of Top 4 and then back in the GF..
 
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2041 said:
The only way this club is going to be competitive in the long term is by developing its own talent from within.
We have to build from within, doing things like making sure we don't have to sign any more Jack Bird type players because we have cheap young options on hand. That's the plan: start by not being a basket case, build a stable platform, focus on bringing in and developing talent.

There really is no other way to do it, however much we as fans might obsess over pricey free agent signings. How often do you see Penrith or Melbourne make big signings at the top of the market? And it's exactly what Richardson is talking about.
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Exactly. Build from within to get value and hopefully, loyalty.
That has been the problem.
We need to get the best talent identifiers.
Those that can identify natural ability [eg. speed/deception/IQ] and the physical expectations of height and growth. eg. parental genes for one example]. This would take a lot of research and attending a lot of lower grade games and early age rep. games.
Then come up with a plan to get them---selling the belief why they should come to us. Not an easy task.
That is where we need to loosen the purse strings to attract that person! Or two?
Poach the best talent scouts if need be. A wise long-term investment.
 
Nonotmeagain said:
After two seasons as the head coach of theWests Tigers reserve-grade side, Aaron Payne has departed the club.

Returning home to North Queensland due to personal reasons, Payne brought a wealth of knowledge to the club'sNSW Cup side and helped get them to ninth on the ladder during this year's campaign.
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Apart from some extensions, the KOE NSW Cup coach appointment may be our next bit of recruitment news coming up, probably late October.

Who could it be?

Jarred Farlow - current assistant coach NSW Cup
Shane Sultana - the recently appointed Jersey Flegg coach (prior to Payne resigning)
Matt Church - '23 premiership-winning Brisbane Tigers coach (Richo's club), just finished up there
Any recently sacked NRL assistant coaches???
Any others???

PS. It's advertised as a Part Time role so whoever it is will likely have another job (maybe in our club, maybe elsewhere).
 
BlackWhiteGold said:
Apart from some extensions, the KOE NSW Cup coach appointment may be our next bit of recruitment news coming up, probably late October.

Who could it be?

Jarred Farlow - current assistant coach NSW Cup
Shane Sultana - the recently appointed Jersey Flegg coach (prior to Payne resigning)
Matt Church - '23 premiership-winning Brisbane Tigers coach (Richo's club), just finished up there
Any recently sacked NRL assistant coaches???
Any others???

PS. It's advertised as a Part Time role so whoever it is will likely have another job (maybe in our club, maybe elsewhere).
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Is it being a part time role standard practice BWG?
 
happy_tiger said:
As I mentioned in another thread the WTs had far fewer injuries than anyone else
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I've noticed that when we have fewer injuries. It is usually when we have lost most of our seasonal games.
My take/theory on that over the years is, it is because.
1. They don't run hard enough with the ball in attack. Avoids injury? Soft landing/contact.
2. They don't defend with aggression/intensity. Avoids injury? Head knocks etc. Soft contacts.
Just my take on it, but they do coincide with poor results > less injuries.
 
innsaneink said:
Dont reggies and firsts train together at Concord every day?
The players arent part timers?
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Not sure. Potentially it is only the NRL contracted players (all Top 30, T&T etc) that train at Concord.

Bit hard for someone only on a reserve grade contract who may need to work to supplement their income
 
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