Tom Shines
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do they ? Maybe it’s the swinging vote they control … most sheep vote the same way all their lives like the guy you are talking to…
What do each of US feel about Wealth Inequality.
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do they ? Maybe it’s the swinging vote they control … most sheep vote the same way all their lives like the guy you are talking to…
hammertime
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Well that is true. But I mean its why policy doesnt differ majority between parties. Neither will touch super or negative gearing because the boomers will vote them out.
Tom Shines
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I don’t know …Paul Keating started Super right …. People have made decisions on that basis over their decades long working life ..,,,, what should be changed about that now as they are about to collect it ?
Negative gearing ..I got no problems with …maybe allow people to own one property tax free …but bigger changes are required then that …as I keep saying multi nationals and tax avoidance used by the wealthy…someone should start there
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Tim Sheens
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Hahahahaha, so I have pointed out many differences and opportunities for changes to your bugbears just this century alone and you come back with not voting for Dee or Dum 6 months ago.
You obviously don't support Teals and definitely not the Greens, so hey, let's go with Pauline then, who built her party on racism and consistently voted otherwise to your supposed wants. Great choice.
Tom Shines
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What do you want to tell you buddy? 😂…
I keep telling you they both suck and now you have moved on to telling me I’m a Pauline Hanson supporter when the only 2 things I’ve proposed are taxing Multi Nationals and the wealthy ,,,I wonder if that’s on her agenda ? 😂
Winston Churchill
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Dont waste your time with a broken brain lefty.
Tim Sheens
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Again, have a look at what she has done and voted for, not the propaganda that is espoused.
It is exactly the same with your mate Winston who has joined in above and his deity in Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, who is currently responsible for the greatest ever shift of wealth disparity, including $BILLIONS personally this past 10 months alone.
Your posts over a long period show that you also support that conman, yet decry the financial disparity outcomes to this very day.
Tom Shines
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Liar ,,,I’ve only ever posted here about football until this topic
The Chad
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Nearly all argue their point from a left or right leaning. So neither side is completely right or wrong. There are decent points made by all.
I don't think penalising success is an answer. If you hit the most wealthy hard, where is the motivation to be successful coming from? It will drag the target motivation to the middle class. Society NEEDS people to drive for success. It will produce new ideas, technology etc. If you stunt the motivation to do better, you go backwards.
I don't think taxing Super, after it is made mandatory, is an answer. People seem to have forgotten the purpose of Super in the first place- it was supposed to help ease the government spending away from pensions so that government spending can be put elsewhere (lowering the responsibility of government spending & reducing their need for....higher tax). But, again- we have people (politicians) that need an immediate fix to the finance issues (to remain popular) and there's this big pile of money we made people save up just waiting for us....
The GST is actually about as fair a tax as you can get. Lower income taxes. Increase GST. Pay tax on what people buy. Don't tax them so much they can't buy. GST counts for EVERYONE- rich or poor. Your uber-rich will buy their fancy cars & pay high GST on it. Boom. No backing out of the tax on that one. The government could also restructure the government bonds. Give a high return that can be shifted to Super or something. That way, your uber-rich are encouraged to lend money back to the government with a big, juicy carrot waiting for them in retirement (which, because less pension payments are required for....they have more cash available to pay out...)
Why did the GST get such negative feedback? Because the party not promoting it played on the populus need of instant gratification. "They are going to tax you more so you'll pay more for everything & have less" while politely glossing over lower income tax which gives you more to spend in the first place....
John Hewson might go down as one of the most misunderstood options Australia ever had. The GST under following governments never gave BACK to the people, they just took more.
I don't think penalising success is an answer. If you hit the most wealthy hard, where is the motivation to be successful coming from? It will drag the target motivation to the middle class. Society NEEDS people to drive for success. It will produce new ideas, technology etc. If you stunt the motivation to do better, you go backwards.
I don't think taxing Super, after it is made mandatory, is an answer. People seem to have forgotten the purpose of Super in the first place- it was supposed to help ease the government spending away from pensions so that government spending can be put elsewhere (lowering the responsibility of government spending & reducing their need for....higher tax). But, again- we have people (politicians) that need an immediate fix to the finance issues (to remain popular) and there's this big pile of money we made people save up just waiting for us....
The GST is actually about as fair a tax as you can get. Lower income taxes. Increase GST. Pay tax on what people buy. Don't tax them so much they can't buy. GST counts for EVERYONE- rich or poor. Your uber-rich will buy their fancy cars & pay high GST on it. Boom. No backing out of the tax on that one. The government could also restructure the government bonds. Give a high return that can be shifted to Super or something. That way, your uber-rich are encouraged to lend money back to the government with a big, juicy carrot waiting for them in retirement (which, because less pension payments are required for....they have more cash available to pay out...)
Why did the GST get such negative feedback? Because the party not promoting it played on the populus need of instant gratification. "They are going to tax you more so you'll pay more for everything & have less" while politely glossing over lower income tax which gives you more to spend in the first place....
John Hewson might go down as one of the most misunderstood options Australia ever had. The GST under following governments never gave BACK to the people, they just took more.
Tucker
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When it comes to wealth distribution, it’s not a left v right scenario.
That is a distraction .
It is the powerful v the rest of us.
The elite v the rest of us.
A minuscule percentage v billions of people.
We are all in the same bucket, as are they.
Political world views, geographical cultural differences and religious beliefs don’t matter. It is them v us and we will always lose.
That is a distraction .
It is the powerful v the rest of us.
The elite v the rest of us.
A minuscule percentage v billions of people.
We are all in the same bucket, as are they.
Political world views, geographical cultural differences and religious beliefs don’t matter. It is them v us and we will always lose.
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Tom Shines
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I can’t disagree … I’m not optimistic things will change either …lots of zealots around from both sides who don’t seem to get it
I can’t disagree … I’m not optimistic things will change either …lots of zealots around from both sides who don’t seem to get it
Life should be a MERITOCRACY but it isn't.
For the most part Those who work hard get rewarded.
For the most part Those who work hard get rewarded.
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Tucker
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They are all the same.
They pander to different groups but work together at a fundamental level.
We must never let the cash society close. It’s our little bit of freedom
Rock Hopper Steve
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When did the rot set in it probably goes back to the days of Gordon Gekko and his quote......Greed Is Good.
Tucker
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Way, way before that.
A good place to start would be looking into the assassination of world leaders outside of wartime.
When mavericks step up to disrupt, they are quickly dealt with through a series of time tested procedures that culminate in death.
innsaneink
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Ask Zac Lomax
innsaneink
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Theyre 3D printing houses now...with hugely.reduced insulation costs
InBenjiWeTrust
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The facts are:
-that a bit of the free market pulled Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, India etc. from an extreme poverty!
- that soc/communism practised even over a short period of time, converted successful countries like Cuba, Venezuela, S Africa, Zimbabwe to ruins governed by dictators!
-people vote with their feet! If people can freely move, all workers paradises would be emptied!
Definitions;
Capitalism - free elections, private ownership, people are free to
move
Com/socialism - there are no free elections, there’s no private ownership, everything is under government control, the people movement is denied
Examples: Scandinavian countries are capitalist, all countries implemented some social policies, depending between others, on the taxation level!
-that a bit of the free market pulled Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, India etc. from an extreme poverty!
- that soc/communism practised even over a short period of time, converted successful countries like Cuba, Venezuela, S Africa, Zimbabwe to ruins governed by dictators!
-people vote with their feet! If people can freely move, all workers paradises would be emptied!
Definitions;
Capitalism - free elections, private ownership, people are free to
move
Com/socialism - there are no free elections, there’s no private ownership, everything is under government control, the people movement is denied
Examples: Scandinavian countries are capitalist, all countries implemented some social policies, depending between others, on the taxation level!
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Betterdays22
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The was the scare tactic used pretty regularly in the UK.
Know how many millionaires left last year? 11000
Know how many still remain? 2.6 million
Tucker
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Yes you are rewarded more than your peers who don’t….but only to a point. Once you start earning too much, they come for you.
Even those who appear uber successful and become billionaires are totally controlled. They are ALLOWED to be this successful as they play the game they way the system tells them they should. Once they deviate, the system shuts them down very quickly. There are heaps of examples where billionaires lost it all….or should I say had it taken away?
