Breaking news: HBG takeover

Vicious said:
My agenda is for people to have an open mind and take everything into consideration rather than just jumping on the bandwagon and only listening to one side of the story.
Have you listened to the Daniel Paton statement ? If not I suggest you do to get a better understanding on this matter.
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The "whys" of it are irrelevant.

The main issue for most fans is they liked the direction the club was heading under the independent directors plus Richo, and that direction was the response to an independent audit that recommended structural changes.

HBG have walked all that progress back. We are back where we were pre-audit and claiming all those wooden spoons.

I don't actually care if the jersey or stadium strategy decisions triggered HBG's move. The fact is they cut the independents and I don't support that for any reason. I don't care if there was a lack of communication or consultation. I dont care if HBG got upset. I preferred the direction the club was heading under the independents and I don't want that sabotaged.
 
Vicious said:
There was a statement made yesterday that they were not consulted.
So either that’s a blatant lie, or everyone is just jumping to conclusions like a heard of sheep.
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I can imagine the 3 reasons (consultation, stadium deals and the jersey) given for the sacking happened in different time frames. I find it strange that these issues weren't brought up independently as they happened by HBG, and as stated by the independent board members they were unaware of any issues until yesterday. To me it looks like HGB have had this in the planning for some time and have just waited until they fabricated enough firepower based on an exaggeration of a shade of truth, at the right time of the year.
Just a poorly disguised power grab in my opinion.
 
Telltails said:
Mate we have been dealing with the infighting with this mob for years. They stab each other in the back ahead of the best interests of the club.
No one needs reminding under their control we have never played a finals game and have taken out three wooden spoons - and yet they remain untouchable accept to each other.
The independents had no agenda other to do whats best for WTs and up until yesterday most supporters would have been content with the last twelve months with their involvement. Today on the back of the actions of HBG we find ourselves at war again.
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There is no doubt the HBG have a poor track record and if they are found to have told lies to get rid of the independent board members to suit their agenda, I don’t think it will end well for them in regards to their NRL licence.
How can you be certain the independent board members had no agenda ?
 
Wouldn't the Minutes from Board Meetings show who attended meetings and ultimately whether HBG were adequately informed? I doubt the colour palette for jerseys would be minuted as that is operational, but at our abortion of a club anything is possible, apart from good governance.

Disappointed that this happened pre-season as it could have been far more destabilising mid-season when we are struggling to stay in contention, just ask anyone with the surname Moses for assistance next time.

Alternatively, I would have appreciated if this happened before Black Friday so I could get a deal on a new TV as I will need one tomorrow when Benny Elias gets wheeled out to talk out of his opinionated arse about a club he never played for.
 
Vicious said:
Well either Barry O or Daniel Paton are lying.
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Aren’t there minutes of these board meetings where these major decisions were made?

Who do those minutes record as attendees?

Were the HBG representatives there?

If so the only failure in communication was from the HBG representatives back to the board that appointed them.

Otherwise it smacks of sour grapes and sacking the independents to ensure they have control, because they weren’t getting their own way.
 
Goyougoodthng said:
I don't know much about accounting but after having a brief look at the Holman Barnes 2024 annual report I think millions is slightly overestimating.
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When I spoke to the WA CFO a few years ago he said it was a million per year.

But also don't forget that WA's Charter states they must use their profits for funding rugby league and other community initiatives. That's literally the whole purpose of a Leagues Club (it's in the name),so you don't really get a pat on the back for following your own Charter.
 
Leck said:
HBG would never have gained the dominant shareholder and financial position it holds today if it weren’t for the mismanagement of Kristina Keneally and the Labor Government in 2010.

The old Balmain Leagues Club was forced to close in 2010 to make way for a proposed metro station, a project that never happened.

This closure put enormous financial pressure on Balmain. Ultimately, HBG, under the guise of bailing out Balmain, effectively executed a financial takeover.

What they failed to realise was that this also hurt critical pathways programs in the inner west and Ryde, which in my opinion has contributed to our poor performance since 2010.

I personally can’t see HBG’s behaviour changing anytime soon. What we need is a private consortium genuinely passionate about the Tigers and Magpies to step in and convince the NRL that the current governance by HBG is harming the brand.
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I feel there is a dinosaur writing this post, re hashing things from 2010.
Let it go and you'll feel a lot better.
 
Goyougoodthng said:
I can imagine the 3 reasons (consultation, stadium deals and the jersey) given for the sacking happened in different time frames. I find it strange that these issues weren't brought up independently as they happened by HBG, and as stated by the independent board members they were unaware of any issues until yesterday. To me it looks like HGB have had this in the planning for some time and have just waited until they fabricated enough firepower based on an exaggeration of a shade of truth, at the right time of the year.
Just a poorly disguised power grab in my opinion.
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Possibly true.
Do you think PVL and the NRL will let it rest of the dismissal of the independent board members are found to be unwarranted or unfair dismissal ?
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think the HBG are stupid enough to bring themselves under the spotlight once again if they did not have good reason to dismiss them.
 
Vicious said:
There is no doubt the HBG have a poor track record and if they are found to have told lies to get rid of the independent board members to suit their agenda, I don’t think it will end well for them in regards to their NRL licence.
How can you be certain the independent board members had no agenda ?
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I believe their agenda was helping to create a successful sporting organisation, at least that's what their track record over the past 11 months suggests.
 
Telltails said:
Mate we have been dealing with the infighting with this mob for years. They stab each other in the back ahead of the best interests of the club.
No one needs reminding under their control we have never played a finals game and have taken out three wooden spoons - and yet they remain untouchable accept to each other.
The independents had no agenda other to do whats best for WTs and up until yesterday most supporters would have been content with the last twelve months with their involvement. Today on the back of the actions of HBG we find ourselves at war again.
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The HBG have knifed 8 directors, including 3 chairs and a CEO in the last 18 months across 2 boards.
 
Telltails said:
Mate we have been dealing with the infighting with this mob for years. They stab each other in the back ahead of the best interests of the club.
No one needs reminding under their control we have never played a finals game and have taken out three wooden spoons - and yet they remain untouchable accept to each other.
The independents had no agenda other to do whats best for WTs and up until yesterday most supporters would have been content with the last twelve months with their involvement. Today on the back of the actions of HBG we find ourselves at war again.
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It's like a recurring nightmare isn't it, just when you think it's over they raise their ugly heads again, they just won't stay silent.

Hoping with the NRL involvement it comes to a head and they find them at fault.
I don't know what action they could take but the harsher the better against this mob.
 
Harvey said:
Aren’t there minutes of these board meetings where these major decisions were made?

Who do those minutes record as attendees?

Were the HBG representatives there?

If so the only failure in communication was from the HBG representatives back to the board that appointed them.

Otherwise it smacks of sour grapes and sacking the independents to ensure they have control, because they weren’t getting their own way.
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I haven’t seen the minutes, have you ?
I reckon the NRL might request a copy of the minutes of all recent board meetings.
 
Your Wests Tigers debenture board is -
  • John Hardgrove
  • David Gilbert
  • Julie Romero
  • Dennis Burgess
  • Stephen Montgomery
  • Vince Tropiano
  • Kevin Hammond,
  • Daniel Lane
  • Clare Burgess
  • Fiona Shand
  • Russell Smith
  • Brian Cook
  • Mick Liubinskas
  • Scott Beynon
  • Peter DiMichiel
Feel free to email them, I won't post there email addresses here but they are widely available online. They should be held accountable for their actions.
 
Vicious said:
Yes if one of two people become open minded because of it, the world will be a better place.
How is this a bad thing for Wests Tigers as PVL and the NRL will find a way to banish the HBG involvement with Wests Tigers if they are found to have lied to suit their agenda.
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That we can agree on. The microscope needs to turn on HBG.
 
Vicious said:
Possibly true.
Do you think PVL and the NRL will let it rest of the dismissal of the independent board members are found to be unwarranted or unfair dismissal ?
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think the HBG are stupid enough to bring themselves under the spotlight once again if they did not have good reason to dismiss them.
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Their track record suggests that HGB could well could be stupid enough, again and again and again.....
 
Vicious said:
Why are you just totally dismissing what DP stated yesterday ?
Do you have concrete evidence to be certain it is not true ?
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In multiple post I have said one or both isn’t telling the truth.

You have defended Daniel without concrete proof whilst also mentioning rumors about the situation targeting Barry on multiple points that contradicted what Barry said today. Yet you haven’t acknowledged that - you have gone all in to defend Daniel with nothing re Barry.

You’re the one not being balanced.
 
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