HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

[twentyforty]

Just can't agree. Even the village idiot would realise with four independents you can never have the numbers on a 7 person board. Their only chance would be if they had an independent in their pocket and that was always going to be unlikely.
Personally, if I was in a position of power, I'd sack Board members who continually failed to refer decisions up the line for approval after a warning or two. By decisions I mean those previously agreed as needing to be referred. I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I can't understand, however, how the two HBG members on the board were not the first to go. As members of both boards they had no excuse.

To understand why those 2 HBG members weren’t sacked, go back to the so called independent internal review and the HBG’s eagerness to show they had agreed to all the reviews recommendations.
There were a few posters here who were skeptical. But not those who had taken notice of their previous examples of management. They simply believed that their positions of authority could influence outcomes. They who cannot be sacked, who have a reputation for sacking, found themselves unable to convince others . Now that is demoralising and cause for a ruthless over the top response.
Another reason they weren’t sacked is because they were Magpies warriors.
Think what you like though, we all have an opinion on the reason for their stupidity.

 

[Flippedy]

Purely hypothetical question, Steve. Would you be happy if Laundy bought HBG out and restored Balmain Tigers to primacy and relegated the Magpies to also rans or even non-events?
As I said purely hypothetical and not looking to start WW3.

Judging by many of the comments on here it seems most people would be ok with that outcome, but to me it would be silly to go completely the opposite way.

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

Purely hypothetical question, Steve. Would you be happy if Laundy bought HBG out and restored Balmain Tigers to primacy and relegated the Magpies to also rans or even non-events?
As I said purely hypothetical and not looking to start WW3.

I come from the Balmain side mate when living in Sydney went to all LO games, but I think bringing back Balmain into the name would be a mistake.

We don't want to alienate the Wests side that just follow Wests Tigers.

For me three options for namesake, keep it Wests Tigers or straight out Tigers or a left field suggestion Southwest Tigers to align with our junior base, might get more commitment from players in the catchment.

 

[Tom Shines]

Hard not to be very cynical here. Think that is just pot stirring knowing the depth of his current connection with the Dogs.

I thought so too initially … but he is quoted as saying there is a price tag, plan and buying group in place , and the story reads like it came from him …. Surely he has better things to do with his time then go on a media wild goose chase ?

 

[coivtny]

I come from the Balmain side mate when living in Sydney went to all LO games, but I think bringing back Balmain into the name would be a mistake.

We don't want to alienate The Wests side that just follow Wests Tigers.

For me three options for namesake, keep it Wests Tigers or straight out Tigers or a left field suggestion Southwest Tigers to align with our junior base, might get more commitment from players in the catchment.

Yeh fair call. Most of us I think, with the exception of a few rusted on diehards, want the WT to be our club, I’m happy to respect the legacies of our foundation clubs but no more than that.
Thanks for your response.

 

[coivtny]

Judging by many of the comments on here it seems most people would be ok with that outcome, but to me it would be silly to go completely the opposite way.

I would love some of the Laundy corporate expertise and know-how being brought to WT.

 

[hammertime]

Mate, which specific section of the Registered Clubs Act do you believe the Holman Barnes directors have breached by removing directors from Wests Tigers Pty Ltd?

If want more, here's what Gemini thinks about recent actions compared to parramatta being dismissed.

The Parramatta case serves as a direct precedent for the current HBG situation. The ultimate reason for the Parramatta board's sacking was that it had "ceased to be effective as a governing body"—a core requirement of the Registered Clubs Act 1976.

The current turmoil at HBG—with directors suspended for misconduct and the majority owner sacking four independent directors over internal disputes—is the very definition of a board that is not stable or effective, making it a very similar issue to the one that triggered the most severe regulatory action against Parramatta.

 

[murrayf]

You think here-and-now is the only time in history?
Things change. People cope and adapt.

Who does it serve? Clearly it serves the people who make it happen (although you do realise all this Wests Magpies back in the NRL is paper talk - being used to rile up super nervous nellies like yourself. Well they’ve certainly got your full attention)

Kids growing up wanting to wear the same jersey as Benji? Firstly the jersey changes every five minutes. And what about the kids who wanted to wear the same jersey as Larry Corowa or Tommy Raudonikis? What can I tell you, life throws up it’s little hurdles. Resilience is an important tool.

I might suggest you grab a seat, pour yourself a stiff drink and take some deep breaths. There’s no way the Magpies are coming back to the NRL - but geez, I gotta say, you eighth wonder fanatics are good at jumping at shadows 🤣

So, the same morons who run WT now want to change back to the Wests Magpies and magical the club will be a powerhouse under the HBG the same group of morons who have been a total disaster for the last 20 odd years, not to worry the Magpies will save them yeah?

If you can't see the problem, you are part of the problem.

 

[coivtny]

To understand why those 2 HBG members weren’t sacked, go back to the so called independent internal review and the HBG’s eagerness to show they had agreed to all the reviews recommendations.
There were a few posters here who were skeptical. But not those who had taken notice of their previous examples of management. They simply believed that their positions of authority could influence outcomes. They who cannot be sacked, who have a reputation for sacking, found themselves unable to convince others . Now that is demoralising and cause for a ruthless over the top response.
Another reason they weren’t sacked is because they were Magpies warriors.
Think what you like though, we all have an opinion on the reason for their stupidity.

My only comment on what you’ve said is HBG didn’t think it through very well. If they say communication was the biggest issue and it’s clear to everyone that there were two directors common to both boards then blind Freddy would ask why sack four directors off the WT board and leave the common directors in place. That just defies logic and commonsense.

 

[coivtny]

But we are supporting them everytime they make a dumb arse decision that impacts the club and we turn up each year only for more pain. They have this will blow over mentality on the back of the rusted on loyal supporters.

Paton is the only human in the NRL community who thinks that sacking the four independents wouldn't effect Shane Richardson and Benji Marshall - let alone players and their managers. If that doesnt demonstrate that he and his people are not reading the room, don't care, and or have other priorities to seeing WTs thrive I don't know what does.

Don’t agree. No-one here supports HBG. We are forced to accept their involvement because we have no choice if we want to support WT. if you feel strongly enough about HBG, you stop supporting WT. I’m not prepared to do that.
You’re jumping the gun a little. Nothing has happened with Richo or Benji and no players have moved on or refused to sign.
Time will tell whether this will have deeper ramifications, I’m sure we all sincerely hope it doesn’t.

 

[hammertime]

I come from the Balmain side mate when living in Sydney went to all LO games, but I think bringing back Balmain into the name would be a mistake.

We don't want to alienate the Wests side that just follow Wests Tigers.

For me three options for namesake, keep it Wests Tigers or straight out Tigers or a left field suggestion Southwest Tigers to align with our junior base, might get more commitment from players in the catchment.

Agree. The rusted-on balmain folk are just as bad as the magpie guys. I really hate these guys coming out in the media to bring back balmain - it just keeps the same tired old discussion going.

 

[coivtny]

So, the same morons who run WT now want to change back to the Wests Magpies and magical the club will be a powerhouse under the HBG the same group of morons who have been a total disaster for the last 20 odd years, not to worry the Magpies will save them yeah?

If you can't see the problem, you are part of the problem.

See shadow, jump at shadow.

 

[TheEnz]

So the liquor and gaming board investigate where a board is not looking after the interest of members.

Surely continuing having to hand over the members money via settlements to people that are sacked because positions are reversed or given the opportunity to sue due to the incompetency of those that have made the decision.

The club members should vote to remove indemnity from directors for decisions that they are not qualified to make where they do not seek expert advice. Some would be less keen to exert influence if it was their own money they were risking

Board members do not have indemnity. It is the board members responsibility to request all the information they need to make the correct decision. There is board member insurance, however this protects them only from any financial impact. They can be excluded from sitting on a board as a director if they are proven to be negligent.

 

[Aceshigh]

too much orange !!

Yep i must admit i woulda loved a black jersey

 

[Big Red]

Better not be too quick, from what I hear they’ve only signed three players

That’s three more than the Magpies.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Agree. The rusted-on balmain folk are just as bad as the magpie guys. I really hate these guys coming out in the media to bring back balmain - it just keeps the same tired old discussion going.

I can only think that there are some low IQ scores out there, unable to get their head around supporting a joint entity.

 

[coivtny]

Probably not, live in regional Victoria these days.

Fair enough. Dec 13 is my wife’s birthday so I could be struggling. My best bet is to say I’m taking her to Wests Leagues for dinner and tell her I’ll meet her there.

 

[TheEnz]

Look I’m guessing like everybody else but I think it’s possible that the four independent board members will be replaced by four new independent members or a combination of existing and new independents.
In my opinion that is in the best interests of the club.
If I believe Paton and I tend to believe him the real issue was communication and overreach by the WT board into decisions they were not authorised to make. I wonder how well the agreement was documented that told the WT board what decisions it had control of and what decisions it should refer up. I suspect it was badly drafted and a source of confusion for all.
The only think I’m still totally confused about it what the hell the two HBG members on the WT board were doing. Surely they must have known the WT board they were sitting on were exceeding their brief.
If anyone deserved to be sacked it was those two.

perhaps this is a ploy to destroy Dennis Burgess...as he was the HBG representative on the WT board, and he is the chair of HBG.....could another coup be on the cards? BOF's comment that there are people looking to make their way up the ladder at HBG could explain this.

 

[Rock Hopper Steve]

perhaps this is a ploy to destroy Dennis Burgess...as he was the HBG representative on the WT board, and he is the chair of HBG.....could another coup be on the cards? BOF's comment that there are people looking to make their way up the ladder at HBG could explain this.

If that was the case, it's just another reason in a long list to get rid of them, just backs up the case that HBG are a viper's nest and Wests Tigers is not their top priority.

 

[Big Red]

I accept all that, but let me add there is a difference between Wests Magpies coming back as they were pre merger, and the Wests Tigers changing their name and emblem but remaining the same in every other respect. So Leichhardt games would remain, a Tiger on the sleeve etc - maybe even a Balmain heritage game every season 🤷‍♂️

This would probably also be unacceptable to old Balmain types, but you get my distinction from a total take over.

Don’t think too hard about it, we’ll all be worshiping the Tiger for a long time to come. Alternatively you could decide to opt out, no hard feelings if that’s what you want to do.