HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

[Tiger_Bond]

This is a good post hammertime 👍, full of genuine heartfelt emotion, and makes me wish I was more articulate to get my words out as good as you've done.
So, all I can do is say it the way I see it.

We all wish both sides of the JV were more united to be winning under the one Wests Tigers banner.

But...I hate to say this, the tail of the tiger has been trying to wag the 90% of the body of the tiger, and that very seldom happens.

Imo, HBG debenture holders are NOT the issue with a shared vision.

The HBG debenture holders and others ARE running us with that shared vision, but they want to stay in control of things and run it their way, which I am pretty sure they are entitled to do.

I'm guessing, the 4 board members that were sacked, as well as Richo, were NOT co-operating in a way the owners wanted them to.

So, the reaction from the Balmain side to the 4 board members being sacked with a possibility of 4 Magpies replacing them is 'let's get rid of the debenture holders in any way possible', 'so we can move on to a "democratic accountable structure''...and...how do we do that...we flood WESTS with people from the Balmain side of the JV and take control.

Then, if any people from the Magpies side dare to complain their told "you're not part of the team".

And I hate to say it, that is happening already. I've been called all sorts of rude names, possibly in an attempt to break my will.
But I will not bend, AND NEITHER WILL THE DEBENTURE HOLDERS as far as I can see.

The march on Saturday from Pratten Park to Wests Leagues club to demonstrate, could well be the start of another war

I hope this hasn't sounded aggressive.
If it does all I can do is apologise in advance, as I had no intention of it sounding that way.

None of what I have written is fantasy on my part as it's all been written in earlier posts on here.

BZN (and the likes of you) are the exact representation of the problem with this club, whereby, due to your misguided loyalty to a brand that is deceased as far as the NRL is considered. You would blindly support an ownership/administration with a debenture structure that is not held accountable for all the failures that have occurred under their watch.

I don’t know you nor do I care to know you but you strike me to be a person that is satisfied with a participation certificate for all.

I’m in it to win it, I don’t care much for participation recognition.

 

[Crucible]

Ahh...no. Not sure if you're trying to cast doubt on the fact I work for a big company or not.

If that's what you have trouble with, I'm not about to reveal who.

Sorry pal, the NSW Public Service ain't no multinational...........

 

[weststigers]

Why are 'thousands of fans' marching/rallying/wearing toga's on Saturday?

Wests Tigers plays an important part of my life. Sadly. And watching things like this happen bother me.

Unlike some, instead of throwing things- I want to know why.

And trusting the words of former board members, outgoing CEO's & reporters doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

So I bury deep & try to understand it.

If you want to throw rocks- throw them.

People address things that matter in different ways.

Protest is the only option remaining.

You really think after the clown show of the last 10 years we should all sit around and "try to understand it"?

If you haven't understood it after 10 years, then I'm curious as to the reasoning one would give for the issues at the club.

 

[Tom Shines]

Why are 'thousands of fans' marching/rallying/wearing toga's on Saturday?

Wests Tigers plays an important part of my life. Sadly. And watching things like this happen bother me.

Unlike some, instead of throwing things- I want to know why.

And trusting the words of former board members, outgoing CEO's & reporters doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

So I bury deep & try to understand it.

If you want to throw rocks- throw them.

People address things that matter in different ways.

Throw rocks ? Very emotive

I’m disagreeing with the argument made by HBG to blow up this club ( the one you support) which you defended …it didn’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny at any time and now has completely disappeared never to be seen again whilst they reinstate the people originally dismissed ..i don’t see how they could have admitted their error any more transparently

if that was me that took that postion, I would be embarrassed and certainly wouldn’t continue defending them

 

[The Chad]

The NRL don't have the legal power to enforce anything on HBG, that's the issue.

What they have done is scare the crap out of them and effectively force their hand to reinstate the independent directors. I don't know the finer details of it, but I know for a fact this is what happened.

And I'm not sure why you are mocking the rally..

Sure, it isn't the formal process you follow to acquire a business, but it creates headlines.. it places more focus on the HBG... If they cop enough heat publicly and it starts impacting them on a daily basis - then their position on selling might change.

So you can mock the passionate fans as much as you want, but if they continue to apply the heat over an extended period - it can help push the needle.

If there were protests daily outside your companies office, it'd be naive to think that it has no impact on the organisation and its people.. you'd have to agree with that, right?

"I don't know the finer details of it, but I know for a fact this is what happened."

Fact? You were part of it? Or Chammas reported it?

I've been a little flippent regarding the rally- true. I admire those going. In truth. I don't admire being told that if you don't go, you don't care/should be banned etc. I know it was only a small portion of those going that suggest that sort of thing- but the 'rage' is, in my opinion, over the top & not doing the cause any good.

 

[Craegus]

You mean Burgess?

Yup

 

[hank37w]

no offence Harvey , he fobbed you of on that

Yeah, he probably found out that Harvey was the guy that Brooksy rang up about renewing his membership. 🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[weststigers]

Really?

You're telling the story here

 

[The Chad]

Throw rocks ? Very emotive

I’m disagreeing with the argument made by HBG to blow up this club ( the one you support) which you defended …it didn’t stand up to the slightest scrutiny at any time and now has completely disappeared never to be seen again whilst they reinstate the people originally dismissed ..i don’t see how they could have admitted their error any more transparently

if that was me that took that postion, I would be embarrassed and certainly wouldn’t continue defending them

That's the thing- there was no scrutiny. Who got an answer on the reason HBG did this in the first place?

The NRL go in- everyone figures that this would fix it- and the result was a compromise to bring back some of the old board, but give HBG control & Richo isn't part of it?

Now YOU see this as an embarrassing slap in the face to HBG. Fair enough. It might be.

I see this & think- how did the NRL get involved, but HBG came away with what they wanted? What did HBG tell the NRL? And why was Richo specifically not part of the compromise?

Going back- is this partly to do with the allegations at the time?

So my questions are now- was Richo doing what HBG were complaining about all along & not passing on vital information to the owners?

It's not a conspiricy. It's wanting to understand.

 

[cochise]

Has anyone invited them? Asked them to address the frothing masses?

They will see us

 

[Merlot]

He seems to think this is about placating balmain fans

Its not

Its just some BS to appeal to the geberal RL public that hes done something
Yes, getting the indies re-instated is a step, theres much more to do.
I think he thinks his job is done and this will be the last we hear from him.
The leaks will resume...the instability will increase

i doubt very much PVL lets hbg pulls this stunt ever again.
On face value their is nothing they, Nrl L G etc'. can do
No doubt he stated his claim, fools won't be tolerated,
Licenses for participation are up for renewal soon ,as is the broadcasting rites.
Should equate to a couple of years of above sanity how this club normally runs

 

[cochise]

haha … I think the 10 percent owners are a little behind paying their share of the invoices

They are a issue as well, that's why we want independent directors not more Balmain.

 

[cochise]

As an fyi from a very reliable source, the plan all along was for SM to take over from Richo. They expected it to take place at the end of Richos contract though, not like this

Yes, he was brought in for that role. Thr reason he was moved to gm of football was to broaden his skillset

 

[The Chad]

Lol nah, you have to take my word on it.. I'll PM you.


Yeah the overly aggressive nature of some is just passion + uncontrolled emotion... Don't hate on em.. they mean well

I've not hated on anyone.

Everyone has a story.

No need to PM unless you want to- happy to take your word for it.

 

[The Chad]

They will see us

I don't doubt that. But, has anyone asked them to come?

 

[Tom Shines]

That's the thing- there was no scrutiny. Who got an answer on the reason HBG did this in the first place?

The NRL go in- everyone figures that this would fix it- and the result was a compromise to bring back some of the old board, but give HBG control & Richo isn't part of it?

Now YOU see this as an embarrassing slap in the face to HBG. Fair enough. It might be.

I see this & think- how did the NRL get involved, but HBG came away with what they wanted? What did HBG tell the NRL? And why was Richo specifically not part of the compromise?

Going back- is this partly to do with the allegations at the time?

So my questions are now- was Richo doing what HBG were complaining about all along & not passing on vital information to the owners?

It's not a conspiricy. It's wanting to understand.

The end result is not the argument you were making beforehand though …you tried to argue HBG’s actions to dismiss the board were justified when even Stevie Wonder could see otherwise…

If they were trying to play out some Machiavellian outcome to get rid of Richo and get a majority on the board …whilst returning the independent members .,,that’s not what you were saying before… and are these the people you want to support running this club ?

 

[Merlot]

BZN (and the likes of you) are the exact representation of the problem with this club, whereby, due to your misguided loyalty to a brand that is deceased as far as the NRL is considered. You would blindly support and an ownership/administration with a debenture structure that is not held accountable for all the failures that have occurred under their watch.

I don’t know you nor do I care to know you but you strike me to be a person that is satisfied with a participation certificate for all.

I’m in it to win it, I don’t care much for participation recognition.

especially when that award is a smack on the bum with a wooden spoon

 

[Tom Shines]

They are a issue as well, that's why we want independent directors not more Balmain.

I would love it if Balmain left … they are nothing more than “useful idiots “ for HBG and contribute nothing

 

[supercoach]

As it stands now, HBG has control, this is the mob who had the keys during our decade of horror. On top of that they have sent our best ever CEO packing. So the question I ask, why should the members and fans be happy with the events of today.

Personally I see this as all damage control by both HBG and PVL with he hope they can fool the punters into thinking everything is now resolved. I would not trust HBG for one second

 

[cochise]

Has anyone invited them? Asked them to address the frothing masses?

Ill also say the hbg ceo has been offered an interview on the podcast.