It's time to take the fight back to HBG

gregjm87 said:
Problem is you can't check our funding against other clubs. Finding accurate information for junior spending for our and most clubs is near impossible.
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You can cobble something close from public disclosures from HBG because they must report publicly given their non-profit status.
 
crazycat said:
We are, but the Broncos are an Abomination.

They were around double revinue compared to the Cowboys. Double!

No idea how we compete against this. Let alone that the Cowboys, Easts, etc are able to throw more then 10m in then we can.

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Yet everywhere I go I see so many Tigers jerseys.
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Last year they won the comp though.

Like bb said, money doesn't solve everything, but we need make sure we invest in areas that we are weak to make it better.

We dont need to match Brisbane, but we need to lay out an org chart that makes sense and pay appropriately for the position to attract the best possible.
 
balmain boy said:
It's their fault we're in this mess. It's their fault our pathways are a shambles. It's their fault the club is the most underfunded club in the competition.

We don't produce good players. On the occasion we do they leave so they can actually develop.

Our owners steadfastly refuse to invest in Wests Tigers, and even the Wests Magpies for that matter. They spend the bare minimum to keep the club going. That's it. The bare minimum is not sufficient anymore.

In SG ball and Harold Matts we have 2 sides, whereas most clubs have one. Yet still all other clubs spend more on their one club than we do on both of our combined.

We need to develop talent. We can't do that without money. Either we try to start matching the dogs and Penrith or the club will eventually fold. We've been going down the same path for way too long, there is no end in sight. We are still an amateur club run by amateurs.

We either need Wests Ashfield to wake up and start investing heavily in Wests Tigers, or to sell us to someone who will. That's the campaign.

We can't keep going on like this
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Yes agree with this, HBG need to cough up more, no doubt.

This money then would lead to more revenue in other areas, more success means more memberships, merch sales, sponsorship, better facilities, staff and so on. Growth.

We are starting from a low base, we're on the back foot.

The new CEO has shown he can do it, he helped with the success of the Central Coast soccer team but there is no doubt he would like more resources to do it.

The Football club and the CEO, should know where funds are needed most.
 
balmain boy said:
Because we don't make the finals, in almost every single grade, year after year for a decade.

We produce very very few players capable of playing first grade. We don't win and we also don't develop players so we're just failing completely, year after year.
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SM stated up front at the fan engagement meeting that pathways was where he saw our growth. He also identified the biggest challenge was getting investment from the club. The story he told was it was exactly the same at Penrith and the Mariners - but they were able to turn them from begrudgingly giving money to keen investors.

I think that is his biggest challenge and I trust that the silence from HBG is them acknowledging where we need to head. Time will tell; but, FFS how much better would it be for the club as a whole if HBG made a statment commiting to our growth as a club (ie Wests Tigers)?
 
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balmain boy said:
It's their fault we're in this mess. It's their fault our pathways are a shambles. It's their fault the club is the most underfunded club in the competition.

We don't produce good players. On the occasion we do they leave so they can actually develop.

Our owners steadfastly refuse to invest in Wests Tigers, and even the Wests Magpies for that matter. They spend the bare minimum to keep the club going. That's it. The bare minimum is not sufficient anymore.

In SG ball and Harold Matts we have 2 sides, whereas most clubs have one. Yet still all other clubs spend more on their one club than we do on both of our combined.

We need to develop talent. We can't do that without money. Either we try to start matching the dogs and Penrith or the club will eventually fold. We've been going down the same path for way too long, there is no end in sight. We are still an amateur club run by amateurs.

We either need Wests Ashfield to wake up and start investing heavily in Wests Tigers, or to sell us to someone who will. That's the campaign.

We can't keep going on like this
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Been waiting for Wests Ashfield to invest in their actual football team since the 1970s! I wouldn’t hold your breath.
 
The Chad said:
Why? We just outbid teams for Averillo, Bula, the May brothers...signed Luai on 'too much', overspent on Royce Hunt, Doueihi & Twal extended...

The Jersey Flegg side are a great chance of winning the comp.

Are we still losing players to other clubs because of money? Maybe there needs to be greater financial investment in robotics so we don't have injuries derail our top squad so much.

So yeah- more investment in robotics is probably worth storming the offices for.
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We outbid other clubs because salaries are covered under the cap which is supplied by the NRL.
 
The Chad said:
Why? We just outbid teams for Averillo, Bula, the May brothers...signed Luai on 'too much', overspent on Royce Hunt, Doueihi & Twal extended...

The Jersey Flegg side are a great chance of winning the comp.

Are we still losing players to other clubs because of money? Maybe there needs to be greater financial investment in robotics so we don't have injuries derail our top squad so much.

So yeah- more investment in robotics is probably worth storming the offices for.
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Think you are talking about a totally different thing there The Chad. I do admire the unwavering faith though
 
Nothing will change while the HBG are running the show. Every year it is getting harder to compete because we are so badly under resourced and under funded. Most clubs have numerous paid scouts all over the East coast of Australia, we rely on agents sending videos of their clients who can’t get gigs elsewhere.

Seriously our whole football operation needs a massive overhaul from top to bottom
 
The Chad said:
Why? We just outbid teams for Averillo, Bula, the May brothers...signed Luai on 'too much', overspent on Royce Hunt, Doueihi & Twal extended...

The Jersey Flegg side are a great chance of winning the comp.

Are we still losing players to other clubs because of money? Maybe there needs to be greater financial investment in robotics so we don't have injuries derail our top squad so much.

So yeah- more investment in robotics is probably worth storming the offices for.
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Outbidding only leads to paying overs which stuffs the salary cap…not sure what your point is there.
 
balmain boy said:
Because we don't make the finals, in almost every single grade, year after year for a decade.

We produce very very few players capable of playing first grade. We don't win and we also don't develop players so we're just failing completely, year after year.
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Fair points.

But we do produce a number of talented players. We have, for whatever reason, had issues retaining them once they hit their prime- but some of that should be attributed to wanting out due to other factors such as money, manager influence, Tigers coaches & their ideas/ideals etc.

It's not wholly due to financial support of the pathways.

And for a few years lately our Flegg & SG Ball sides have been fairly good. This year's Flegg is a pretty strong chance to win it.

Development of players comes down to coaching. I would argue, outside of Tim Sheens (and briefly Cleary) we haven't had coaches renown for junior development. That's not finances. That's poor hiring.

Our Top 30 squad right now has a number of players that either progressed through our junior pathways or were introduced to the club in their development years. I think you could argue that adding players at 17, 18 or even 19 into our systems is still bringing players through our pathway setup.

If you want to storm the castle & wave a fist at our emperor's for failure at the NRL level- fill your boots. But I would argue that being angry about the club's ability/inability to develop players being duly held back by our board of mini-demons isn't their big failing.
 
The Chad said:
Fair points.

But we do produce a number of talented players. We have, for whatever reason, had issues retaining them once they hit their prime- but some of that should be attributed to wanting out due to other factors such as money, manager influence, Tigers coaches & their ideas/ideals etc.

It's not wholly due to financial support of the pathways.

And for a few years lately our Flegg & SG Ball sides have been fairly good. This year's Flegg is a pretty strong chance to win it.

Development of players comes down to coaching. I would argue, outside of Tim Sheens (and briefly Cleary) we haven't had coaches renown for junior development. That's not finances. That's poor hiring.

Our Top 30 squad right now has a number of players that either progressed through our junior pathways or were introduced to the club in their development years. I think you could argue that adding players at 17, 18 or even 19 into our systems is still bringing players through our pathway setup.

If you want to storm the castle & wave a fist at our emperor's for failure at the NRL level- fill your boots. But I would argue that being angry about the club's ability/inability to develop players being duly held back by our board of mini-demons isn't their big failing.
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Which players have we produced in the last decade that are talented?

Development of players does indeed come down to coaching, but not the NRL coach. They only take the near finished product and try take them to the elite level. It's the coaches and assistant coaches at Matt's, ball, Daley, Johns, flegg and Cup that develop players. They're working with the players in their developmental years where the players are honing their skills. These are the coaches that we simply do not have.

We have had one such coach, Sultana, who almost made the finals with a weak Balmain side and has been doing very well with Flegg for the past 12 months. Imagine if we had another 5-6 coaches like Sultana. We might actually have developed a team of talented players by now.

And your last point is extremely incorrect. The club's complete failure to develop any players is one of, if not the biggest, failure from the board. If we could develop players we'd have more success across all grades. If we had more success and had better players moving up through the grades our first grade side would be more successful, attract more sponsors, more members, more profits etc.

So yes, our lack of success under HBG can be directly linked back to a lack of focus on development. We're not a glamour club that can sign superstars, we have to grow them. But yet we've been actively choosing not to. It's madness. There's no guarantees with juniors, but the more talented juniors you have, the better your chances for success is.
 
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