GNR4LIFE
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So no proper retort? No is really stopping you? Didn’t think so,
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TV Ted Ellery
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An IPA poll has as much credibility as a straw poll of Muslims on whether Mohammad was a good bloke. A more credible poll would still indicate a preference for keeping the date or ambivalence on the subject, but not to same degree I would think.
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It's a combination of perpetual outrage and victimhood. Personally, I get enough angst and despair from supporting the Tigers, but others need the fuel of additional grievances which SkyNews serves up like warm diarrhoea.
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I know what you mean, I hate it too when polls don't show my opinion. The oldest free-market think tank in the world has no credibility because of my feels....and the ABC already told me what to think.
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Every time you post on subjects like this, your utter bias ruins any point you may have been making.
This is just hot garbage and very predictable.
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Australia was claimed as British land on the 22nd of August 1770 when Cook landed on shore and proceeded to chart the east coast of Australia.
In 1788, the first fleet landed in Port Botany on 18 Jan. They didn't like the water, security and soil situation there, so they moved to Port Jackson, landing on the 26th of Jan.
The 26th wasn't even the first day of arrival. It already means nothing.
It wasn't until the 1801 from memory that Flinders, accompanied by an Aboriginal guide (possibly 2), circumnavigated the entirety of the land. No European, nor Aborigine had done this prior and it proved that Australia was one land mass.
On a side note, I learned that up until 1872 all foreigners had an unrestricted right to reside in Britain and in many other countries...France being a major exception. Prior to that, people moved and resided freely anywhere around the world.
In 1788, the first fleet landed in Port Botany on 18 Jan. They didn't like the water, security and soil situation there, so they moved to Port Jackson, landing on the 26th of Jan.
The 26th wasn't even the first day of arrival. It already means nothing.
It wasn't until the 1801 from memory that Flinders, accompanied by an Aboriginal guide (possibly 2), circumnavigated the entirety of the land. No European, nor Aborigine had done this prior and it proved that Australia was one land mass.
On a side note, I learned that up until 1872 all foreigners had an unrestricted right to reside in Britain and in many other countries...France being a major exception. Prior to that, people moved and resided freely anywhere around the world.
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Everyone has their bias and I would argue the same about your posts. I'm merely pointing out that the IPA isn't taken seriously outside the conservative faction of the liberal party. Can you remember their list of 100 ideas to ruin Australia?
If I posted a getup or guardian poll it would elicit a similar response from you. And if you bothered to read my post I posited that a majority of Australians do support retaining the day or don't give a f*ck either way, but the results are skewed by the bias of the pollsters.
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My position is that I don't care when Australia Day is held. And I'm not so rusted on or myopic to take one poll in isolation. As I explained to your acolyte, Tucker, polls across the political spectrum indicate that a majority of Australians support retaining the date or share my ambivalence. But it's not quite as comprehensive as the IPA poll would suggest. And you also need to consider that younger voters are more likely to support changing the date, obviously brainwashed by their ABC adoring professors rather than SkyNews or Deano from the pub. Their voice could become more prominent in the years to come.
As for the credibility of the IPA, it is a radical free market think tank that advocates American style labour laws, privatising critical government functions, relaxed gun laws , removing political donation requirements, gutting environmental protections and significantly restricting university fee assistance programs among other harebrained ideas. The only party that fully embraces their policies are the Liberal Democrats who have negligible support in the community.
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I saw this elsewhere and thought it was a good read.
CAPTAIN COOK AND THE FIRST FLEET
Captain Cook landed in Sydney on the 28th of April, 1770, and claimed the east coast of the Australian continent for Britain, naming it New South Wales.
The first boat of the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788, but the Fleet then later moved to Port Jackson (what became Sydney).
THE NAMING OF AUSTRALIA
January 1st 1900 was not the day that Australia was named. It was the day that the Commonwealth of Australia was formed by the federation of six British colonies: New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia, and Tasmania
The name Australia was derived from the Latin word australis, meaning “southern”, and was used to refer to the hypothetical landmass in the south pole, known as Terra Australis.
The name Australia was first suggested by the English explorer Matthew Flinders in 1804, who circumnavigated the continent and drew a map of it. He preferred the name Australia over New Holland, which was the name given by the Dutch in the 17th century.
The name Australia was officially adopted by the British Admiralty in 1824, and was used in British legislation in 1828. The name Commonwealth of Australia was formalised in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900, which was passed by the UK Parliament.
January 1st, 1901 was the day that the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900 came into effect.
Aboriginals never had a name for their country. There were several hundred separate tribes, most of which had their own language. The only names were the Aboriginal names for their various regions, roughly defined as their “hunting grounds” which were vigorously defended from invasion by neighboring tribes.
JANUARY 26th
The relevance of January 26th is when the National and Citizenship Act 1948 was proclaimed. This was the first day we all became Australians. Before that, all citizens, including Aboriginals born after 1921 were called "British Subjects."
Prior to this time, the various British colonies in Australia all had their own “Australia Day”, which was celebrated on a range of dates – see image.
The excuses for calling Australia Day (26th January) “Invasion Day”, based on the supposition that the date was either Captain Cook’s first landing, or the arrival of the First Fleet, are simply WRONG!
CONCLUSION
“The 26th of January is a great day for all of us. It is the day that Australians received their citizenship. The day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality and Citizenship act of 1948, when we all became Australians in our own right. An Act giving freedom and protection to all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of Australian Law, as a united nation.
Now, this annual date for a national celebration each year on January 26th is important. So, let’s just celebrate the day for what it is, the fact that we are Australians in our own right.”
CAPTAIN COOK AND THE FIRST FLEET
Captain Cook landed in Sydney on the 28th of April, 1770, and claimed the east coast of the Australian continent for Britain, naming it New South Wales.
The first boat of the First Fleet landed at Botany Bay on 18 January, 1788, but the Fleet then later moved to Port Jackson (what became Sydney).
THE NAMING OF AUSTRALIA
January 1st 1900 was not the day that Australia was named. It was the day that the Commonwealth of Australia was formed by the federation of six British colonies: New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia, and Tasmania
The name Australia was derived from the Latin word australis, meaning “southern”, and was used to refer to the hypothetical landmass in the south pole, known as Terra Australis.
The name Australia was first suggested by the English explorer Matthew Flinders in 1804, who circumnavigated the continent and drew a map of it. He preferred the name Australia over New Holland, which was the name given by the Dutch in the 17th century.
The name Australia was officially adopted by the British Admiralty in 1824, and was used in British legislation in 1828. The name Commonwealth of Australia was formalised in the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900, which was passed by the UK Parliament.
January 1st, 1901 was the day that the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900 came into effect.
Aboriginals never had a name for their country. There were several hundred separate tribes, most of which had their own language. The only names were the Aboriginal names for their various regions, roughly defined as their “hunting grounds” which were vigorously defended from invasion by neighboring tribes.
JANUARY 26th
The relevance of January 26th is when the National and Citizenship Act 1948 was proclaimed. This was the first day we all became Australians. Before that, all citizens, including Aboriginals born after 1921 were called "British Subjects."
Prior to this time, the various British colonies in Australia all had their own “Australia Day”, which was celebrated on a range of dates – see image.
The excuses for calling Australia Day (26th January) “Invasion Day”, based on the supposition that the date was either Captain Cook’s first landing, or the arrival of the First Fleet, are simply WRONG!
CONCLUSION
“The 26th of January is a great day for all of us. It is the day that Australians received their citizenship. The day which celebrates the implementation of the Nationality and Citizenship act of 1948, when we all became Australians in our own right. An Act giving freedom and protection to all Australians, old and new, the right to live under the protection of Australian Law, as a united nation.
Now, this annual date for a national celebration each year on January 26th is important. So, let’s just celebrate the day for what it is, the fact that we are Australians in our own right.”
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Well when Labor was last in power they had Grocery Watch run by Consumer Affairs Minister Craig Emerson
Now he is heading up another review...
That along with the Voice refe referendum, you couldn't make this stuff up
It is not easy under Albanese
hank37w
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Doubt there will be too many teef, Albo is a Souffs supporter.
Halbrowne61
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No, imo Albo is just incompetent in relation to the needs of the Australian people.
Winston Churchill
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So again, you simply don't like that a credible poll that goes against the perpetually offended loud minority activist bloviations, that shows 87% of people were in favour of leaving the date as the 26th and highlights the reality of everyday Aussie? We get it. I seem to remember another poll, most likely one you'd no doubt elevate to the royal standard of pollsters (as it shared your opinion) recently stating Australia were in favour at 70%+ of passing a referendum. Im sure you believe that poll seemed very credible, no?
We understand, you have made it perfectly clear in a number of posts you don't like opinions that go against your biases and thus muddy the water to label it misinformation. We know your ilks tired and boring game. It plays out the same time after time. Now just for fun, lets see if the tired boring same 2 or 3 dolts upvote your reply.
Winston Churchill
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No need to write it all out. Just need to name a person from the labor party and incompetent is already assumed.
stop talking facts, no room for that on here and in this AusDay discussion. Its about the feels....
Again, stop talking facts, its the feels that matter /s
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Ummmm...guess what date they landed at Sydney Cove and actually set up settlement for the penal colony? Can you guess?
Hint......Australia Day.
It was the date of the landing in Sydney Cove and establishing the settlement.
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"The First Fleet of 11 ships, commanded by Captain Arthur Phillip, set up a convict settlement at Sydney Cove (now Circular Quay) on 26 January 1788. This was the beginning of convict settlement in Australia."
Facts...source Australian National museum
The First Fleet arrives at Sydney Cove | Australia’s Defining Moments Digital Classroom | National Museum of Australia
The arrival of the First Fleet at Sydney Cove in January of 1788 marked the beginning of the European colonisation of Australia. The fleet was made up of 11 ships carrying convicts from Britain to Australia. Their arrival changed forever the lives of the Eora people, the traditional Aboriginal...
digital-classroom.nma.gov.au
Some very constructive debate here now.
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