HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

liltiger said:
Because it's obvious that HBG want to maintain control, if they wanted to allow the board and CEO autonomy they would have left it alone. Now iv no doubt you and Cochise are spot on and he's a great operator, Richo knew what he was doing and wouldn't have hired him otherwise. The problem isn't Mielenkamp, the problem is the HBG board. We could have Jack Gibson here, if HBG don't allow the club autonomy and want in on every decision he wouldnt get the club anywhere.
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Im not saying he is a great operator, just filling in his experience.
 
The Chad said:
Ok. Fair points.

Question- did HBG govern what Richo could or could not do?

What control did they exert over Pascoe?

Why would they do different with a guy like Mielenkamp?
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I distinctly remember Pasco being quoted saying while at the Tigers while being criticised that there were things he wanted to implement that HBG knocked on the head.
Imo HBG did not govern what Richo could do that's why imo the independants were removed. They stack the board then can control how much autonomy Richo has. Though Richo is autonomous he just runs things so that would never work hence he walked.
That's my point exactly doesn't matter who's there they will be either aligned with HBG objectives or hamstrung cause HBG will vote it down at board level. We had Madge and Ivan Cleary who left. Both hamstrung due to interference at board level. The board intervened with Madge cause he was too hard on the players, Cleary reportedly saw the boardroom politics and knew it wasn't good for success.
Hasn't exclusively been HBG Wests Campbelltown and Balmain were involved aswell. But there's a repeated behaviour of owners at Wests Tigers whoever they are thinking they know how to run and operate a rugby league team like they're playing fantasy football, people who actually know how to run as far from it as they can.
 
FacePalm said:
Clare Burgess. Wife of Dennis.

Julie Romero was the partner of Peter Hardgrove. His brother was John Hardgrove, gave up his debenture holder status.

The Hardgrove's appeared to be good people, but as you can also see, It's simply a clique. It's who you know.
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Bear with me here …

Dennis Burgess decides that things are getting a bit hot in the kitchen and decides to step down …

The debenture holders have a vote on his replacement … and wouldn’t you know it … there was unanimous agreement that his wife Clare was the best replacement ..
 
BAGNF05 said:
With an exit statement that indicated fully that he’s not left the game.
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Just thinking whats the use of holding a rally if the person didn’t want to fight for his position , I wanted Richo to stay but he has just rolled over and left benji and the players to look after themselves, surely he could have stood up to them at least untill the nrl had looked at the situation
 
twentyforty said:
Known debenture holders include:
  • Peter DiMichiel (Chairman)
  • Dennis Burgess (Chairman, also a Director of Wests Tigers)
  • Kevin Hammond
  • Daniel Lane
  • Clare Burgess
  • Fiona Shand
  • Russell Smith
  • Brian Cook
  • Mick Liubinskas
  • Scott Beynon
  • Paul Marsh
  • Allan Fallah (Appointed recently)
  • Leo Epifania (Appointed recently)
  • Bob Cairns (Appointed recently)
  • Tony Raciti (Appointed recently)
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Anyone else heard Burgarse has been Buying out Debentures,
Maybe bought the Weathermans after his passing?
@cochise
 
bptiger 0 said:
Just thinking whats the use of holding a rally if the person didn’t want to fight for his position , I wanted Richo to stay but he has just rolled over and left benji and the players to look after themselves, surely he could have stood up to them at least untill the nrl had looked at the situation
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Or...he could just resign.

In the middle of an NRL investigation.

While clearly agreeing not to say anything to the media in order to get his payout, that should have been due to him if the clauses are to be believed.
 
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bptiger 0 said:
Just thinking whats the use of holding a rally if the person didn’t want to fight for his position , I wanted Richo to stay but he has just rolled over and left benji and the players to look after themselves, surely he could have stood up to them at least untill the nrl had looked at the situation
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He stood to his word that he would only work under strong governance. Principles, if HBG are reading.
 
liltiger said:
I distinctly remember Pasco being quoted saying while at the Tigers while being criticised that there were things he wanted to implement that HBG knocked on the head.
Imo HBG did not govern what Richo could do that's why imo the independants were removed. They stack the board then can control how much autonomy Richo has. Though Richo is autonomous he just runs things so that would never work hence he walked.
That's my point exactly doesn't matter who's there they will be either aligned with HBG objectives or hamstrung cause HBG will vote it down at board level. We had Madge and Ivan Cleary who left. Both hamstrung due to interference at board level. The board intervened with Madge cause he was too hard on the players, Cleary reportedly saw the boardroom politics and knew it wasn't good for success.
Hasn't exclusively been HBG Wests Campbelltown and Balmain were involved aswell. But there's a repeated behaviour of owners at Wests Tigers whoever they are thinking they know how to run and operate a rugby league team like they're playing fantasy football, people who actually know how to run as far from it as they can.
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If anything HBG held onto Madge too long & it was Lee & Pascoe via Sheens that moved him on.

Cleary moved once he realised Nathan wouldn't come to the Tigers. Not sure HBG had much to do with that.

Pascoe...here is what I'll say about HBG. If you are the significant share holding financier....whatever they are....no company owner is "hands off". What kind of company would hand everything over to someone else & expect no say in it?

Pascoe was given enough rope to hang himself 10 times over. HBG allowed him to do that.
 
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