HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

weststigers said:
Sure...does the government own parliament house? Or ultimately, is it the people?

No one on HBG owns anything...it's not private ownership. The issue isn't about 90% owners getting a 90% say in how things are run, it's that they are unaccountable to the people that they draw money from to control those assets.

It would all go away if members could vote.
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weststigers said:
Sure...does the government own parliament house? Or ultimately, is it the people?

No one on HBG owns anything...it's not private ownership. The issue isn't about 90% owners getting a 90% say in how things are run, it's that they are unaccountable to the people that they draw money from to control those assets.

It would all go away if members could vote.
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Ok sir, if you want to be technical I stand corrected. HBG doesn't own 90%, it controls 90% or at least should.
Wests Magpies own 90% of Wests Tigers so this should give them a controlling vote on the board when necessary and without being unfair.
I believe Wests Magpies value and care about their members and lots of people in the community through their generous donations.

I don't see any reason whatsoever for WESTS MAGPIES to yield control to anyone, at least until such time that we have a board that RESPECTS each other and things are running smoothly.

So, Imo you will never get WESTS MAGPIES to yield by using the tactics y'all have adopted.
 
BZN said:
Ok sir, if you want to be technical I stand corrected. HBG doesn't own 90%, it controls 90% or at least should.
Wests Magpies own 90% of Wests Tigers so this should give them a controlling vote on the board when necessary and without being unfair.
I believe Wests Magpies value and care about their members and lots of people in the community through their generous donations.

I don't see any reason whatsoever for WESTS MAGPIES to yield control to anyone, at least until such time that we have a board that RESPECTS each other and things are running smoothly.

So, Imo you will never get WESTS MAGPIES to yield by using the tactics y'all have adopted.
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I actually agree with you. I think HBG should have control of decisions based on their 90% control.

The issue I have is there are only 20 people to choose from to control those decisions and they cannot be removed. Australia is a big place...I'd like to open up the talent pool and the fans of the club to be able to vote in the best people to run the club.

These are 2 separate issues. I agree with you on one of them. I think most do. It's the small group that hold all the power and the way it's tightly held amongst these individuals that I disagree with.
 
hybrid_tiger said:
It is nothing to do with wanting to "wipe out" the Magpies, that simply isn't true.

It makes absolutely no sense to have Flegg as WT, NSW Cup as Wests Magpies and first grade as Wests Tigers.

It makes absolute sense to have Flegg, NSW Cup and first grade all aligned as Wests Tigers.
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You are simply on a power trip h_t.
You are trying to claw back something you simply don't deserve atpit.
The anti-Wests Magpies crowd have to realise you haven't served an honest enough apprenticeship yet to be handed the keys to the club.
If and when things settle down before 2030, we could have a very harmonious happy club.
But I really can't see that even starting to take place with the tactics you are all being forced into atm by people that have a Very Strong Grudge against WESTS MAGPIES.
 
BZN said:
You are simply on a power trip h_t.
You are trying to claw back something you simply don't deserve atpit.
The anti-Wests Magpies crowd have to realise you haven't served an honest enough apprenticeship yet to be handed the keys to the club.
If and when things settle down before 2030, we could have a very harmonious happy club.
But I really can't see that even starting to take place with the tactics you are all being forced into atm by people that have a Very Strong Grudge against WESTS MAGPIES.
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The paranoia omg.....no one is against the Magpies. Its all in your head. All the hate is towards Balmain
 
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hammertime said:
He said rubbish result. Which is correct.

Yes, they are entitled @BZN . But is it good for our club? No. It's horrible. There's a difference between doing the right thing and being entitled to something.

So it depends what you care about to be honest. I want the best for the club, as do most here. Which is HBG at arms length while they still have the debenture holders structure in place. As the review recommended.
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Another RESPECTFUL well thought out and worded post ht, well done.👍
You obviously realise that we don't need to be abusive to get our message across.
I hope a lot of the drongos on here learn from your post.
And it's interesting to read how the word drongo originated.
 
weststigers said:
I actually agree with you. I think HBG should have control of decisions based on their 90% control.

The issue I have is there are only 20 people to choose from to control those decisions and they cannot be removed. Australia is a big place...I'd like to open up the talent pool and the fans of the club to be able to vote in the best people to run the club.

These are 2 separate issues. I agree with you on one of them. I think most do. It's the small group that hold all the power and the way it's tightly held amongst these individuals that I disagree with.
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Thanks for a great reply, it's a pleasure to read posts like this 👍.
No swearing, no abuse, no unfounded allegations against the writer.
Good work wt.
 
king_sirro said:
The paranoia omg.....no one is anticipated Magpies. Its all in your head. All the hate is towards Balmain
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"All the hate is towards Balmain".
That is definitely not how it is on WTF k_s.
And I'm telling you that from personal experience on here.
 
BZN said:
So, Imo you will never get WESTS MAGPIES to yield by using the tactics y'all have adopted.
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It's a two way street though right,?

Why do you think WESTS TIGERS fans are up in arms given the tactics the HBG have adopted ? Can you understand that?
 
BZN said:
The club didn't/doesn't want Richo back either.
From what I have heard-to much bad blood on both sides.
Richo had been a naughty boy.
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He was actually our Messiah and your clowns crucified him.

They were so stupid and thought he was just a very naughty boy. (That just goes to show how those dinosaurs view progress and success, it just seems to be something that they cannot comprehend)

[ insert appropriate Monty Python clip here ]

Actually I'm just back from a wedding down the coast and I just could not be bothered at the moment.
 
Vicious said:
Maybe Darcy can build a ruby league museum.
Don’t be silly he doesn’t spend any of his own money, he prefers to tell others how to spend their money.
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Inner west council is putting $10m into Leichhardt at the request of our club. So your angle here is weak.

It takes many parties and many financiers for WT to thrive. HBG isnt even funding the NRL squad this year and youre acting like they're the only ones who do anything.
 
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BZN said:
Ok sir, if you want to be technical I stand corrected. HBG doesn't own 90%, it controls 90% or at least should.
Wests Magpies own 90% of Wests Tigers so this should give them a controlling vote on the board when necessary and without being unfair.
I believe Wests Magpies value and care about their members and lots of people in the community through their generous donations.

I don't see any reason whatsoever for WESTS MAGPIES to yield control to anyone, at least until such time that we have a board that RESPECTS each other and things are running smoothly.

So, Imo you will never get WESTS MAGPIES to yield by using the tactics y'all have adopted.
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Nice summary of your position
 
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innsaneink said:
A magpies aligned HBG director today said rheyd been at war for the last 25 years
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Yes, I would definitely believe that to.
It's been a real s/f.
NOW is the time to come together.
It's NOT the time for aggression against HBG, as with yesterday's [not] march.
If all the board can unite and become a solid team, I believe we can ALL get what we want~~a winning football team.
Continuing marches and calls for HBGOUT is just going to keep the tension bubbling amongst all board members.

Is war what you want with continuing bickering, or would you rather have ~PEACE~where we can ALL relax and enjoy the footy.
 
BZN said:
Ok sir, if you want to be technical I stand corrected. HBG doesn't own 90%, it controls 90% or at least should.
Wests Magpies own 90% of Wests Tigers so this should give them a controlling vote on the board when necessary and without being unfair.
I believe Wests Magpies value and care about their members and lots of people in the community through their generous donations.

I don't see any reason whatsoever for WESTS MAGPIES to yield control to anyone, at least until such time that we have a board that RESPECTS each other and things are running smoothly.

So, Imo you will never get WESTS MAGPIES to yield by using the tactics y'all have adopted.
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Problem is that the debenture system is unlikely to be dissolved, which is convenient.
 
BZN said:
Yes, I would definitely believe that to.
It's been a real s/f.
NOW is the time to come together.
It's NOT the time for aggression against HBG, as with yesterday's [not] march.
If all the board can unite and become a solid team, I believe we can ALL get what we want~~a winning football team.
Continuing marches and calls for HBGOUT is just going to keep the tension bubbling amongst all board members.

Is war what you want with continuing bickering, or would you rather have ~PEACE~where we can ALL relax and enjoy the footy.
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Mate your mob started the war and this time where not going to sit back and wait for it to happen again, this has to be dealt with for the last time.
 
I can only see one way forward for the Wests Tigers & it must happen now!

HBG needs to convene a private forum which includes HBG, Wests Magpies, Balmain Tigers, the remaining independent directors, Shaun Mielekamp and importantly a representation of the fans/members of the club (a rep of WT Unite & maybe an additional 1-2 from the existing Fan Rep Group that the club already consults with - click here.

1 - Each party need to resolve & accept that the Wests Tigers is one club and the legacy of both Wests Magpies & Balmain Tigers must be respected. Each party must resolve to STOP any slander, media leaks etc pushing any historic agenda otherwise accept to face sanction.

2 - In this forum each party has the opportunity to present what its expectations are from their position (i.e. so the fan reps get to hear what HBG expectations are of its 90% stake etc & vice versa) and questions can be asked of each party.

If HBG are serious about a 'one club' future, they will do this. There needs to be an understanding & respect moving forward between all parties.

I'm sick and tired of all this sh*t as everyone is. The only way to stop it is to get all parties together in a respectful manner to thrash it out in the one room asap.

I've put in request to speak to Shaun Mielekamp and I'll be telling him this and I reckon he's the type of fan-focused CEO who would already be thinking of this himself.

@cochise @Joel Helmes keen to hear your thoughts on this given you're both on the Fan Rep Group & doing a great job with WT Unite?

PS. I wouldn't expect a resolution immediately at the end of the forum but a forum like this can result in an in-principle agreement to work towards in terms of governance & communication.
 
BZN said:
Yes, I would definitely believe that to.
It's been a real s/f.
NOW is the time to come together.
It's NOT the time for aggression against HBG, as with yesterday's [not] march.
If all the board can unite and become a solid team, I believe we can ALL get what we want~~a winning football team.
Continuing marches and calls for HBGOUT is just going to keep the tension bubbling amongst all board members.

Is war what you want with continuing bickering, or would you rather have ~PEACE~where we can ALL relax and enjoy the footy.
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Its a bit hard to have peace when Magpies directors are telling WTs supporters to F off
Seems the Magpies dont want peace
Not very respectful is it?
 
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