LIVE GAME Round 14 v the Panthers

Live Game Discussion
Halbrowne61 said:
Disagree, after all my doom and gloom over the past month I’m tipping a huge form reversal and a home win next Sunday.
My only concern is that currently we are betting favourites at $1.47 which is pretty skinny for a team coming off a 68-0 hiding.
But I’m a believer in the bounce theory and I’m sure we’ll see a much better display.
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Cant be a worse display
Dont pin all your hopes on the old girl
 
Have to say guys that performance really sucked, no top 8 again the troops will be back too late to get us out of this rutt.

Highly doubt we beat the 9 wins of last season the way it's going either, only chance would be to beat the Titans next week but they looked good this weekend.
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
Have to say guys that performance really sucked, no top 8 again the troops will be back too late to get us out of this rutt.

Highly doubt we beat the 9 wins of last season the way it's going either, only chance would be to beat the Titans next week but they looked good this weekend.
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I've always said if you're a genuine tigers supporter you would never bet against your own team.

But as long suffering supporters I am thinking screw it if there is money to make, then do it. We might continue to suffer on the field but if you're making money it won't sting as badly.

The odds for next week are ridiculous, we have been smashed in 4 out of 5 of our last games and somehow we're short priced favourites? lol
 
upthetigers said:
I've always said if you're a genuine tigers supporter you would never bet against your own team.

But as long suffering supporters I am thinking screw it if there is money to make, then do it. We might continue to suffer on the field but if you're making money it won't sting as badly.

The odds for next week are ridiculous, we have been smashed in 4 out of 5 of our last games and somehow we're short priced favourites? lol
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Only the LO factor will get us out of that game mate, I fear to see who is on the next team list, think we have more injuries on top of what we have already.

Being a Tigers supporter is a life sentence of pain lol.
 
Halbrowne61 said:
Disagree, after all my doom and gloom over the past month I’m tipping a huge form reversal and a home win next Sunday.
My only concern is that currently we are betting favourites at $1.47 which is pretty skinny for a team coming off a 68-0 hiding.
But I’m a believer in the bounce theory and I’m sure we’ll see a much better display.
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I’m a believer in the bounce back theory also, but we rarely do it. We usually go from bad to worse after a thrashing like that. The Titans will carve us up.
 
Tom Shines said:
Stevie Wonder could see in the offseason that having to rely on first drop spine depth like Hope and Mason was not going to cut it ….but that’s what they decided to go with ?
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Wasn’t it 40 or 50 nil when Hope got on the field today ?
I get your point and obviously I agree our depth is terrible, but I thought today would have shown that it doesn’t matter if our starting 9 is Api or Hope, we will still get flogged if the players around them are not good enough and not prepared to rip and tear on both attack and defence.
Regardless of our lack of depth, Benji really needs to ask himself on what planet is Tavana a better player than Luke Laulill ?
Why does he keep playing a clearly busted young 18y.o in Makasini. He has the makings of a future star, but by continuing to play him while he appears to be carrying an injury as well as being down in confidence, will run the risk of hampering his development.
Surely we try and protect him being an young and only play him when he is 💯 injury and pain free.
Why have we been playing Mavrik Geyer exclusively as a middle forward in NSW Cup all season, then expect him to aim up against the best team in the competition defending in one of the most challenging positions on the field as an edge back rower ? He looked out of his depth today, but talk about throwing him to the wolves.
Seyfarth’s best moments this season have been when briefly playing at 13 with the option of ball playing or running the balk. Today we are looking for a 13 tj replace e Twal who was injured and we start Charlie Murray in his first NRL appearance all season. I don’t mind Charlie Murray as a player and I think he earned an NRL call up, but surely it would have been better him starting off the bench ?
We have seen Terrell May provide much better impact playing around 60minutes than what he can produce when playing the full 80mins. Why make him struggle by playing the full 80mins ?
Alm this as well as the ongoing debacle on how we are handling one of our classiest young players in Latu Fainu.
On top of all this it is very clear we need help of a couple more capable NRL players to recruit before June 30 tho give us some chance of scraping into the top 8.
Was there a reason why we agreed tn sign Jarome Luai for an extra season on the same ridiculous money, knowing he had already signed elsewhere for 2028 and beyond ?
These are all Benji related booboos that he needs to sit back, reflect on and realise he is part of the problem if we are to give ourselves any chance of winning as many or more than we lose before the regular season ends.
 
Was at the game today, and I'm in my mid-30s and that was probably our most heart breaking performance. It was the most disappointed I have felt since we got knocked out in that semi in 2011. Today was always going to be a tall order with injuries and match fitness questions from our depth players, but I was expecting more.

The very obvious areas where I saw that we simply could not respond was our second-row depth, and overall ball playing. Its clear that Penrith's strength is having multi-phase plays, with multiple receivers. By the second or third pass of a play there was usually an overlap or an opening. Having inexperienced players on the edges, mixed with second rowers that are quite one dimensional is where we cannot compare to the depth of the top teams.

The absence of Twal, not only for his statistical work ethic, but also his offload game hurt us massively. A number-13 with some ball playing would be better than placing just another a prop out there in my opinion. Compare that to what Papalii, Yeo and Lussick were able to do in connecting their edges.
 
Vicious said:
Wasn’t it 40 or 50 nil when Hope got on the field today ?
I get your point and obviously I agree our depth is terrible, but I thought today would have shown that it doesn’t matter if our starting 9 is Api or Hope, we will still get flogged if the players around them are not good enough and not prepared to rip and tear on both attack and defence.
Regardless of our lack of depth, Benji really needs to ask himself on what planet is Tavana a better player than Luke Laulill ?
Why does he keep playing a clearly busted young 18y.o in Makasini. He has the makings of a future star, but by continuing to play him while he appears to be carrying an injury as well as being down in confidence, will run the risk of hampering his development.
Surely we try and protect him being an young and only play him when he is 💯 injury and pain free.
Why have we been playing Mavrik Geyer exclusively as a middle forward in NSW Cup all season, then expect him to aim up against the best team in the competition defending in one of the most challenging positions on the field as an edge back rower ? He looked out of his depth today, but talk about throwing him to the wolves.
Seyfarth’s best moments this season have been when briefly playing at 13 with the option of ball playing or running the balk. Today we are looking for a 13 tj replace e Twal who was injured and we start Charlie Murray in his first NRL appearance all season. I don’t mind Charlie Murray as a player and I think he earned an NRL call up, but surely it would have been better him starting off the bench ?
We have seen Terrell May provide much better impact playing around 60minutes than what he can produce when playing the full 80mins. Why make him struggle by playing the full 80mins ?
Alm this as well as the ongoing debacle on how we are handling one of our classiest young players in Latu Fainu.
On top of all this it is very clear we need help of a couple more capable NRL players to recruit before June 30 tho give us some chance of scraping into the top 8.
Was there a reason why we agreed tn sign Jarome Luai for an extra season on the same ridiculous money, knowing he had already signed elsewhere for 2028 and beyond ?
These are all Benji related booboos that he needs to sit back, reflect on and realise he is part of the problem if we are to give ourselves any chance of winning as many or more than we lose before the regular season ends.
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Do you think the problems just began during the game yesterday ? Hope has been poor at regular times this season ( like every time ) ..he is not a player with the skills to play at this level..but they keep picking him because they literally have no other specialist back up option…and Hope is not the only one

.they should never have allowed themselves to be in this position…but they did… and it’s come home to roost with embarrassing performances like that
 
benjiflickpass95 said:
Was at the game today, and I'm in my mid-30s and that was probably our most heart breaking performance. It was the most disappointed I have felt since we got knocked out in that semi in 2011. Today was always going to be a tall order with injuries and match fitness questions from our depth players, but I was expecting more.

The very obvious areas where I saw that we simply could not respond was our second-row depth, and overall ball playing. Its clear that Penrith's strength is having multi-phase plays, with multiple receivers. By the second or third pass of a play there was usually an overlap or an opening. Having inexperienced players on the edges, mixed with second rowers that are quite one dimensional is where we cannot compare to the depth of the top teams.

The absence of Twal, not only for his statistical work ethic, but also his offload game hurt us massively. A number-13 with some ball playing would be better than placing just another a prop out there in my opinion. Compare that to what Papalii, Yeo and Lussick were able to do in connecting their edges.
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They were beaten all over the park… line breaks were 15 to 1… I probably don’t need to tell you if you were at the game …

Twal would have made little difference if he played … he played in tne game last year they lost 64-0… the problems are way deeper I fear
 
SeanT said:
Luke Keary's analysis has impressed me this year. He speaks honestly and has a feel for the game. At halftime he gave Jerome Luai a serve saying 'Jerome has not brought any success to the Tigers. He hasn't brought anything to this club. Glad someone has said it. He needs to be dropped honestly.
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Starting to agree. We were flying whie he was injured. As soon as he came back our attack has sputtered. Douhi has been out as well but weve only won 2 games with him in the halves this year. Other thing is the teams form has cratered ever since he decided to go to P.N.G. i know the guys all say the right things but wonder if theyre a bit off him for going. No doubt he brings great qualities off the field but on it he has been trash this year. Yesterday isnt on him, he had no ball to do anything with. The last 2 years with him he hasnt done anything. He wanted to be Batman. Hes not even Alfred. If i could offload him at the end of the year i woud. Its Benji driving us forward not Luai. We desperatly need his 1.2 million for depth signings.
 
Bellend said:
It is not the NRL or Refs if we cannot tackle properly, markup correct in defense, we gave away repeat six tackles far to often especially against Penrith of all teams.
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Did you read the point I was responding to … “ the NRL has a problem …” not the Wests Tigers … the NRL… im saying the NRL doesn’t really have a problem because they can just tell the referees to stop blowing 6 agains
 
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One thing I do agree with, regarding the latter comments, is that Benji has made lots of head scratching team selections recently. In yesterday's game, Geyer on an edge Makasini in the centres and, before that, picking Tavana ahead of Laulilii, refusing to select Skelton, starting Seyfarth, rewarding Toa's rubbish play with first team selection and, finally, not giving Latu Fainu a proper starting opportunity. All of this must be puzzling and deflating to the rest of the team. Also, either Benji is becoming too soft and nurturing again or the team is getting tired of his voice. Can't think of any other reason for yesterday's debacle. Would a Bellamy or Bennett coached team lose by that margin? We seem to be getting good at getting flogged by 60.
 
benjiflickpass95 said:
Was at the game today, and I'm in my mid-30s and that was probably our most heart breaking performance. It was the most disappointed I have felt since we got knocked out in that semi in 2011. Today was always going to be a tall order with injuries and match fitness questions from our depth players, but I was expecting more.

The very obvious areas where I saw that we simply could not respond was our second-row depth, and overall ball playing. Its clear that Penrith's strength is having multi-phase plays, with multiple receivers. By the second or third pass of a play there was usually an overlap or an opening. Having inexperienced players on the edges, mixed with second rowers that are quite one dimensional is where we cannot compare to the depth of the top teams.

The absence of Twal, not only for his statistical work ethic, but also his offload game hurt us massively. A number-13 with some ball playing would be better than placing just another a prop out there in my opinion. Compare that to what Papalii, Yeo and Lussick were able to do in connecting their edges.
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I think we saw how out of depth Mavrik Geyer and Charlie Murray are.

Then we saw how our backline got totally outclassed by the Penrith backline.
What does Benji do other then get the team tackling again and working on defense.

So dissapointing
 
Tim Sheens said:
The start to this year was good whilst it lasted, real good.

Having Api and Jahream back last week and a similar intensity with Twal still in the engine room brought most of that needed to cover for the missing Samuela, along with Doueihi and Taylan against a midfield team in the dogs.

Sadly, WT just cannot compete with a runaway team like Penrith for long periods in our current iteration, and especially so when we give up early possession like today.
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There is competing and then there is losing 64 blot.... If we made them earn it that's one thing but to roll over and not even try like we did yesterday well that's an entirely different thing .....
 
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