wstigers11
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That’s how they escape accountability
It's time to take the fight back to HBG
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I may be wrong but i think the membership set up at Ashfield is done in a way rhe HB board determine thru their various levels of membership wether its general member...associate member... full member...(these terms probably incorrect)...just who gets to vote.after the three years.
I think.i read something like this some time back.
@cochise may know more.
Well that would determine what TA's main motive is - you would like to think that this is about securing a better future for the success of WTs. Getting Nick Di Giralomo to represent may suggest that this is very much about the management of WTs rather than simply seeking money. Vengeance ?? - possibly I guess we will find out.
liltiger
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Got you. Thought it seemed to straight forward.
Joel Helmes
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WT needs to be a seperate entity controlled by people who have one specific focus - making the NRL entity everything it can possibly be.
Ideally, there would be some primarily hands off overseeing by an owner, but essentially the WT runs as a totally separate business with tangible KPIs placed on management.
If the debenture system is removed, so is the likelihood that the traditional Magpies power base in HBG will be diminished as new board members potentially come in without the baggage.
Ideally, there would be some primarily hands off overseeing by an owner, but essentially the WT runs as a totally separate business with tangible KPIs placed on management.
If the debenture system is removed, so is the likelihood that the traditional Magpies power base in HBG will be diminished as new board members potentially come in without the baggage.
shiretiger
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The Wests Tigers football team is operated through Wests Tigers Rugby League Football Pty Limited. (refer to note 26 of the FY 2025 Financial Report, page 53)
https://holmanbarnesgroup.com.au/annual-reports/
There is nothing stopping an independent board being in place to run that company today apart from the will of the head entity Western Suburbs Leagues Club Limited.
cochise
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Basically the majority of members are social members. After 3 years you can apply to become a general member, this gives you full voting rights and needs to be approved by the board.
Is it particularly a "Magpies problem" though? I mean yeah there's some debenture holders who are obviously pro-Magpies but I don't think the issues revolving around the ownership & funding of WT are specifically related to the Magpies. It stinks to me of people who have obtained positions of power and doing whatever they can to hang on to that power and the system that it derives from (hence removal of independent board etc.)
Seems more political to me than a Balmain v Wests or WT v Wests thing, but just gets misconstrued as that due to WA being aligned previously with Wests. If the debenture system is removed and board members are elected to periodic terms based on their platforms, which then by extension would include the WT, then yeah that would be beneficial for WT.
I would guess that the current WA/HBG membership would be made up by only a fraction of WT fans for this reason. The large proportion would be residents of the area whom frequent the club which would likely be a demographic not interested in Rugbah Leeg.
cochise
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In fact we largely had that in place 12 months ago.
cochise
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The split in the debentures and general membership is largely down Magpies/ APIA/ community sporting group lines.
The social membership is where you will find the majority of local residents.
mtd#2
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It would make me very happy if they introduced an independent board and the one and only shane richardson was appointed. It would be a victory for the ages.
I doubt Richo would ever come back.
hammertime
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Yeah, i don't think we should link this to being as a magpies thing. Balmain are equally to blame.
Take your pick - skills, ego, governance, aptitude, structural, experience .... But calling it a Wests problem will completely mischaracterise it.
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Also - don’t forget the whole debenture system is under review by Liquor and Gaming - thanks to the efforts of people who wrote to the Minister and the Department calling for that review
Now would be a great time for anyone else wanting to challenge the legitimacy of the Debenture system to write to Hon David Harris MP - every letter helps
How did they get out of it this season?
Yeah it's been a shitshow since inception. Both Balmain and Wests have had their hand in it.
supercoach
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The debenture model is something out of an authoritarian state. It is a system where they have total control and are protected by a firewall from any opposition. I guess it was setup with good intentions many years ago but now is a means of total control.
We have to be very careful what we replace it with if we are lucky enough to over throw the current system. You only have to look what goes on at Parra and the dogs with massive factional fights erupt all the time. Obviously we need a democratic system where members get to vote and the board is held accountable but we still need to get the right people with the right expertise onto the board and that is no certainty under any system.
Funding is our biggest issue and we need the HBG to focus on their rugby league club, because that what their primary role should be. Yes, it’s good they spread the pokie revenue back into the community to help projects but their rugby league project must be their main focus.
All antiquated systems eventually fall let’s hope the debenture system’s time is up
We have to be very careful what we replace it with if we are lucky enough to over throw the current system. You only have to look what goes on at Parra and the dogs with massive factional fights erupt all the time. Obviously we need a democratic system where members get to vote and the board is held accountable but we still need to get the right people with the right expertise onto the board and that is no certainty under any system.
Funding is our biggest issue and we need the HBG to focus on their rugby league club, because that what their primary role should be. Yes, it’s good they spread the pokie revenue back into the community to help projects but their rugby league project must be their main focus.
All antiquated systems eventually fall let’s hope the debenture system’s time is up
hammertime
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Great suggestion. I'm going to send something through now.
