‘It’s the truth’: compelling new WT doco

[TigerWest]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

We should be picking the best available, always.

 

[cochise]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

 

[cochise]

I hope they have quite a bit on the COE to show what we are building as there was a snippet of it in promo. This is the opportunity to show off some of the reasons to come here.

I have seen the walk through of the COE and it is impressive. I think they have the updated version for the doco.

 

[TonyTiger]

Can't wait for the Home and Away like cliffhanger.

Season ends with chairman Lee calling Pascoe & Madge after the last game.

"I need to see you in my office first thing tomorrow".

Screen fades to black, theme song plays

Don’t forget the episode ending abruptly, leaving everyone to wonder whether it is actually finished or not

It ends when Mbye is abruptly pummelled into a shipping container which is abruptly sealed and the oxygen thief is whisked off to Kogorah Stadium, pink tights and all.

 

[Demps]

I didn't realise it was going to be such a short little mini series.

A lot to squeeze into tomorrow's episode.

I'll be watching though.
The whole thing so far has been very underwhelming.

Lee H and Nofo ride off into the sunset hand in hand after this episode .....

Hopefully off to their new jobs...
... at Parramatta.

 

[tigertuff]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

 

[cochise]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

 

[TrueTiger]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I think your missing a large chunk of the point tigertuff,we are developing our juniors from within,some are very talented and some are above average,however they are LEARNING what the NRL system is all about...
So while learning and developing Madge has had to bring in players with NRL and rep experience to help guide the juniors through while they develop...
Its no easy feat to have very young talented players and hardened NRL players all on the same page with a click of the fingers...JTJ,BJ were cheap,but both have had demons to contend with,both quality players when they were at their peak,BJ voted best centre in NRL,JTJ origin rep,Tamou capt of a grand final team ...
Madge has them to assist the kids develop,we dont know what they do on the training paddock,video sessions or one on one with the kids,but their experience will help them along..
Ken M is an outstanding winger and I would have him over Noffa any day,and Noffa IS a junior that just cant defend or take the high balls,KM can and we needed a solid winger at the time, in my opinion he isnt a reject,he wasnt required anymore and he is a winner for us...

 

[Sco77y]

Can't wait for the Home and Away like cliffhanger.

Season ends with chairman Lee calling Pascoe & Madge after the last game.

"I need to see you in my office first thing tomorrow".

Screen fades to black, theme song plays

Some classic ideas for an ending in this thread 😂

 

[tigertuff]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

All fair points you raise although i disagree with Maumolo - i think he looks like he is not interested. Maybe that is just me. Bj and Jtj were always going to end bad in my opinion and everyone could surely see Tamou had played his best footy years ago. He didnt offer the Panthers much last year but we got him here to be the bench mark and made him captain. Its been a big failure. Out of all the players bought to the club this year only Laurie and Steph have offered us some real green shoots in my opinion. The rest have made up the numbers instead of developing from within.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

The tragedy is that we gave up on Momirovski (very low risk player), and dreamt that Roberts and BJ L will play motivated and be close to their best! A consequence of our false thinking "it is always better to buy a (ex) big name than a solid young player"! :thinking_face:

 

[tigertuff]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

The tragedy is that we gave up on Momirovski (very low risk player), and dreamt that Roberts and BJ L will play motivated and be close to their best! A consequence of our false thinking "it is always better to buy a (ex) big name than a solid young player"! :thinking_face:

Couldn't agree more. Throw Thompson into that as well. Has Tamou offered us any more than what Eisenhuth did for us last year. I would say no. Im all for getting better players but you have to be 100% sure they will make your club better. I feel we would have been better off promoting from within. At least you know what you have got and what sort of character they are. It also shows players in the club there is a pathway forward to higher grades. We keep buying second hand cars that look good on the outside but dont get home from the car yard.

 

[Snozza]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

All fair points you raise although i disagree with Maumolo - i think he looks like he is not interested. Maybe that is just me. Bj and Jtj were always going to end bad in my opinion and everyone could surely see Tamou had played his best footy years ago. He didnt offer the Panthers much last year but we got him here to be the bench mark and made him captain. Its been a big failure. Out of all the players bought to the club this year only Laurie and Steph have offered us some real green shoots in my opinion. The rest have made up the numbers instead of developing from within.

Interseting points. JTJ is on peanuts - in reality less than minimum wage for a player with his CV (no matter how low he went in his life recently). He is there to support the indigenous kids and (before COVID) was doing his best in an off-field role. He has good and bad days. As is mentioned in the thread, how is he being used to build culture, show young kids the way to move forward (particularly the indigenous kids) AND hopefully set himself up with somehting to fall back on post football. I think that's what the club is thinking with him, and if he even gets on the field it's a bonus.

 

[mike]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

All fair points you raise although i disagree with Maumolo - i think he looks like he is not interested. Maybe that is just me. Bj and Jtj were always going to end bad in my opinion and everyone could surely see Tamou had played his best footy years ago. He didnt offer the Panthers much last year but we got him here to be the bench mark and made him captain. Its been a big failure. Out of all the players bought to the club this year only Laurie and Steph have offered us some real green shoots in my opinion. The rest have made up the numbers instead of developing from within.

Interseting points. JTJ is on peanuts - in reality less than minimum wage for a player with his CV (no matter how low he went in his life recently). He is there to support the indigenous kids and (before COVID) was doing his best in an off-field role. He has good and bad days. As is mentioned in the thread, how is he being used to build culture, show young kids the way to move forward (particularly the indigenous kids) AND hopefully set himself up with somehting to fall back on post football. I think that's what the club is thinking with him, and if he even gets on the field it's a bonus.

Said it before and I say it again, more than happy for JTJ to get another year. Much more in the plus column than the minus.

 

[cochise]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

The tragedy is that we gave up on Momirovski (very low risk player), and dreamt that Roberts and BJ L will play motivated and be close to their best! A consequence of our false thinking "it is always better to buy a (ex) big name than a solid young player"! :thinking_face:

Momirovski wouldn't have made a difference to our season, he is a good solid player. We got Laurie instead of Momo and he was our best player this season.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

The tragedy is that we gave up on Momirovski (very low risk player), and dreamt that Roberts and BJ L will play motivated and be close to their best! A consequence of our false thinking "it is always better to buy a (ex) big name than a solid young player"! :thinking_face:

Momirovski wouldn't have made a difference to our season, he is a good solid player. We got Laurie instead of Momo and he was our best player this season.

I agree about Laurie, he and Stefano are like God's gift to the WT. Just thought we could swap Mbye, Nofoaluma, M C-K and keep Momirovski.

 

[cochise]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

The tragedy is that we gave up on Momirovski (very low risk player), and dreamt that Roberts and BJ L will play motivated and be close to their best! A consequence of our false thinking "it is always better to buy a (ex) big name than a solid young player"! :thinking_face:

Momirovski wouldn't have made a difference to our season, he is a good solid player. We got Laurie instead of Momo and he was our best player this season.

I agree about Laurie, he and Stefano are like God's gift to the WT. Just thought we could swap Mbye, Nofoaluma, M C-K and keep Momirovski.

Why would Penrith agree to those swaps?

 

[tigertuff]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

The tragedy is that we gave up on Momirovski (very low risk player), and dreamt that Roberts and BJ L will play motivated and be close to their best! A consequence of our false thinking "it is always better to buy a (ex) big name than a solid young player"! :thinking_face:

Momirovski wouldn't have made a difference to our season, he is a good solid player. We got Laurie instead of Momo and he was our best player this season.

Laurie has been great but to suggest Momirovski wouldnt have been good for our backline this year is crazy. Cant agree with you on that one.

 

[cochise]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

The tragedy is that we gave up on Momirovski (very low risk player), and dreamt that Roberts and BJ L will play motivated and be close to their best! A consequence of our false thinking "it is always better to buy a (ex) big name than a solid young player"! :thinking_face:

Momirovski wouldn't have made a difference to our season, he is a good solid player. We got Laurie instead of Momo and he was our best player this season.

Laurie has been great but to suggest Momirovski wouldnt have been good for our backline this year is crazy. Cant agree with you on that one.

He is a good solid player, not a difference maker, he wouldn't have turned us into a top 8 side.

 

[tigertuff]

I have been a Balmain/Wests Tigers supporter my whole life through thick and (mainly) thin.

The whole thing is just so disappointing now.
I support the club no matter what and always have but now more than ever it’s so difficult.

I want us to keep Madge. I love some of our players but not the ones who don’t have a go. I played amateur sport and i would bleed for my club and my teammates.
Some of these guys seem to not give a shit.

I am now questioning for the first time ever why i give a shit.
Im not a fair weather fan as i have been with the club through everything.
Now im just about over it.

I will always love the club and the fans but I doubt ill be watching the Penrith game. My wife asked me why not and scoffed that I wouldn’t be and i told her I can’t handle the aggravation.

Same deal with the doco.
I have really enjoyed it so far even though its not what i thought it would be (not a patch on the format of “Sunderland til i die” for instance”).
How can anyone sit through the episode next week after all that’s happened?

If you can you’re a better supporter than me


Hi Tigerman0,
I am with you 100% and understand and feel the same despair as you are feeling. For all the diehard Tigers fans, watching these players who often seem to be just going through the motions and not exhibiting the effort and heart that we all feel for the club, well, it is very difficult to digest.

One thing I have been questioning lately is why I get so emotionally involved. After all it is only a game, one rarely played on an even playing field, with some teams stacked with talent and quality and others falling well short. The officiating is questionable and the Management of the game have agendas of their own.

Our team is mostly young and inexperienced and because of this quite brittle - a good example is that against the Sharks we had something like 13 NRL games of experience between the 4 bench players. We are drastically short on leaders and for that matter, out and out "competitors".

I believe that we need to focus exclusively on building and developing our youngsters and forget about finals for a couple of years - just concentrate on effort players who want to play together and improve each week. Develop that lacking "spirit", and the only players that we should bring to the club are guys that have 110% competitiveness in their bones.

I think Tigerman if you can accept such a longer term view you won't find the current performance so soul destroying.. stay well!

The quicker this club realizes our future is with our own kids the better we will be. Just ask yourself the question, have the guys that Madge has bought to the club really made us better. My belief is has put us back another year or two. He should have taken a handful of our young guys away to Qld to be around the top squad and to train daily with them but no, Madge wants the quick fix to save himself.
If you look at the Cowboys (and i know it sounds stupid as they are behind us on the ladder) but they are that far more developed for the future than us as all their kids have been given a run. They will be much better for it next year. How many Wests / Balmain juniors have been given a run this year. Our juniors are on a path to nowhere.

Laurie, Stefano, Blore, AD, Offa I can argue have been some of our best players this season?

They arent Tigers juniors although i suppose you could argue Ad is. The point i suppose im trying to make is we have bought Tamou, Jtj, Bj, Maumolo etc with no gain what so ever. Take Maumolo for example. He has been bought to the club for 3 years blocking the path of Scolari. Does he really offer anything more to us than what Scolari would have. Every time i watch that kid he looks like he has something but now he sits behind a Warriors reject. What hope have our kids got when they dont get an opportunity. Im all for bringing players to the club but not at the expense of our own.

You said have the players we brought to the club haven't made us better, I gave you a list of players brought to the club that have been our best players.

Fair call on the players you mentioned although i would argue against Offa - i don't rate him but maybe that is just me. So do you think Bj, Jtj, Tamou and Maumolo have offered us something. Tamou only plays 20 odd minutes a game yet we got rid of our Prop forward from Jersey Flegg who runs the ball with a bit of mongrel (as your props should) because he apparently only lasts 20 minutes. Go figure.

I believe Maumolo has offered something since his first couple of games here, much more than the winger on the other side of the field. I would offer Roberts a contract for next year if it was up to me. Joffa is fine and goes out and does a job for us, as long as he is played as a middle. Tamou has been disappointing in my opinion.

Both BJ and Roberts were signings with a limited timeframe in a bid to get us into the finals while we wait for the younger players to develop, I can understand those signings and I actually expect we will get a couple of similar signings for next year on team friendly deals with very limited time frames.

The club's strategy is not just to develop local juniors, it is to attract the best juniors from around the country and develop them into NRL quality players. Guys like Laurie, Stefano and Blore are examples of what I expect to see moving forward.

The tragedy is that we gave up on Momirovski (very low risk player), and dreamt that Roberts and BJ L will play motivated and be close to their best! A consequence of our false thinking "it is always better to buy a (ex) big name than a solid young player"! :thinking_face:

Momirovski wouldn't have made a difference to our season, he is a good solid player. We got Laurie instead of Momo and he was our best player this season.

Laurie has been great but to suggest Momirovski wouldnt have been good for our backline this year is crazy. Cant agree with you on that one.

He is a good solid player, not a difference maker, he wouldn't have turned us into a top 8 side.

That is up for debate. Would he not have saved a stack of tries down that edge. You know the one that has leaked about 400 points this year.