2018 Grand Final Melbourne v Roosters

[The_Patriot]

Why? Read the live blog. It is a very complex and compelling account of the collision.

It was a shoulder charge pure and simple. Everyone could see it. Unintentional but still a shoulder charge. This is why the NRL is a joke.

Read the live blog and inform yourself

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Could you please explain how it is a terrible decision. Keeping in mind you read the live blog and saw the evidence presented.

 

[mike]

It was a shoulder charge pure and simple. Everyone could see it. Unintentional but still a shoulder charge. This is why the NRL is a joke.

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Read the live blog and inform yourself

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Could you please explain how it is a terrible decision. Keeping in mind you read the live blog and saw the evidence presented.

It was a shoulder charge. Slater was running at speed and couldn’t turn his body in time. Unintentional but still a shoulder charge. To say the force was anywhere other than the shoulder is incongruous with what actually happened.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Why? Read the live blog. It is a very complex and compelling account of the collision.

It was a shoulder charge pure and simple. Everyone could see it. Unintentional but still a shoulder charge. This is why the NRL is a joke.

Read the live blog and inform yourself

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Very well put Mike. The NRL has ZERO integrity…......has been that way for a few seasons now and getting worse.

 

[sheer64]

Well no surprise here, he will now be free to use his studs into Rorters faces in attempting to stop tries with only a financial penalty that the Storm will be only too happy to foot the bill. I hate both these teams but hate the Rorters more so shoulder charge, kick, stud and bite all you want Billy.

 

[The_Patriot]

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Read the live blog and inform yourself

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Could you please explain how it is a terrible decision. Keeping in mind you read the live blog and saw the evidence presented.

It was a shoulder charge. Slater was running at speed and couldn’t turn his body in time. Unintentional but still a shoulder charge. To say the force was anywhere other than the shoulder is incongruous with what actually happened.

So you are just ignoring every single fact presented by the Slater and his lawyer. Fair enough. Just own it.

 

[mike]

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Could you please explain how it is a terrible decision. Keeping in mind you read the live blog and saw the evidence presented.

It was a shoulder charge. Slater was running at speed and couldn’t turn his body in time. Unintentional but still a shoulder charge. To say the force was anywhere other than the shoulder is incongruous with what actually happened.

So you are just ignoring every single fact presented by the Slater and his lawyer. Fair enough. Just own it.

I absolutely own it. They got it wrong.

 

[Needaname]

It was a shoulder charge pure and simple. Everyone could see it. Unintentional but still a shoulder charge. This is why the NRL is a joke.

Read the live blog and inform yourself

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Could you please explain how it is a terrible decision. Keeping in mind you read the live blog and saw the evidence presented.

Technically he “read” the evidence presented.
First an foremost it was not argued that it wasn’t a shoulder charge. It was argued that it was an unfortunate collision that put Billy in the position of making the contact with a shoulder.
Second.
Despite what you think. The way the shoulder charge rule is stated it is not a black and white ruling.
It must be argued that the player made no attempt to make contact with the arms when affecting the tackle.
It includes that the attempt to make the contact with the arms does not have to be a successful attempt.
Now after reading the ruling and watching the tackle you have to be 100% sure that slater is not trying to make any sort of conventional tackle.

 

[Moh]

Meh - as far as shoulder charges go, that one was a penalty and in the context a sin binning, but not worthy of a suspension. It was almost shoulder to shoulder rather than the ugly front-on ones. His defense of the charge was also solid.

End of the day, Im happy to cop that decision because no one deserves to miss a grand final over that.

I'm happy to see Slater get a proper send off.

 

[The_Patriot]

Read the live blog and inform yourself

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Could you please explain how it is a terrible decision. Keeping in mind you read the live blog and saw the evidence presented.

Technically he “read” the evidence presented.
First an foremost it was not argued that it wasn’t a shoulder charge. It was argued that it was an unfortunate collision that put Billy in the position of making the contact with a shoulder.
Second.
Despite what you think. The way the shoulder charge rule is stated it is not a black and white ruling.
It must be argued that the player made no attempt to make contact with the arms when affecting the tackle.
It includes that the attempt to make the contact with the arms does not have to be a successful attempt.
Now after reading the ruling and watching the tackle you have to be 100% sure that slater is not trying to make any sort of conventional tackle.

I said it on the night, His right hand will save him.

He had enough to form a case.

Should be a great game.

Hope Cronk can take the field.

 

[innsaneink]

Meh - as far as shoulder charges go, that one was a penalty and in the context a sin binning, but not worthy of a suspension. It was almost shoulder to shoulder rather than the ugly front-on ones. His defense of the charge was also solid.

End of the day, Im happy to cop that decision because no one deserves to miss a grand final over that.

I'm happy to see Slater get a proper send off.

Meh…me too
Im no fan of his despite me grudgingly accepting hes one hell of a player and I wish we had one like him.

The NRL continue to paint themselves into a corner, they leave loopholes unknotted, they leave doors ajar...pretty amateur

But for the actual action, it was a good try saving movement...great collison and I dont want this out of our game its turning soft

Im happy for Slater to go out how he deserves to win or lose, Im happier with how the Roosters will be feeling right about now :smiley: :laughing:

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Read the live blog and inform yourself

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Could you please explain how it is a terrible decision. Keeping in mind you read the live blog and saw the evidence presented.

Technically he “read” the evidence presented.
First an foremost it was not argued that it wasn’t a shoulder charge. It was argued that it was an unfortunate collision that put Billy in the position of making the contact with a shoulder.
Second.
Despite what you think. The way the shoulder charge rule is stated it is not a black and white ruling.
It must be argued that the player made no attempt to make contact with the arms when affecting the tackle.
It includes that the attempt to make the contact with the arms does not have to be a successful attempt.
Now after reading the ruling and watching the tackle you have to be 100% sure that slater is not trying to make any sort of conventional tackle.

He didnt make any attempt whatsoever to make a proper tackle, his arm was pinned to his side preparing for nothing else but shoulder-first contact. His spin that he "thought Feki was going to step inside" was pure BS, Slater didn't slow down one iota in anticipation of a sidestep.
Just hope he is on the receiving end of a bellringer on Sunday. That'd be sweet, sweet karma.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Slater had to be found not guilty tonight - they’ve already engraved his name onto the Clive Churchill Medal!!!😜

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Slater had to be found not guilty tonight - they’ve already engraved his name onto the Clive Churchill Medal!!!😜

He could score 3 tries, set up 3 more, and save 5, and there will still be idiots claiming it was rigged in his favour.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Slater had to be found not guilty tonight - they’ve already engraved his name onto the Clive Churchill Medal!!!?

He could score 3 tries, set up 3 more, and save 5, and there will still be idiots claiming it was rigged in his favour.

What? You mean like origin?

 

[Needaname]

Can anyone tell me where some of my responding posts are going?

 

[The_Patriot]

Slater had to be found not guilty tonight - they’ve already engraved his name onto the Clive Churchill Medal!!!?

He could score 3 tries, set up 3 more, and save 5, and there will still be idiots claiming it was rigged in his favour.

Aint that the truth

 

[hobbo]

Hopefully we’ll all get to see Billy receive a fitting final send off on the back of the medi-cab .

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Has any wish on players getting injured ever come true? So far the only team maimed are the Roosters.

 

[gallagher]

Im going for the chooks but not overly fussed either way. But if Melbourne wi I'll have to turn the tv off after the game ch9 just go so overboard on some players.

 

[jirskyr]

I’ve read it all. Doesn’t change a thing. The NRL are so inconsistent it is a major reason why it struggles to gain a new audience at times. A terrible decision and a blight on the integrity of the NRL.

Could you please explain how it is a terrible decision. Keeping in mind you read the live blog and saw the evidence presented.

Technically he “read” the evidence presented.
First an foremost it was not argued that it wasn’t a shoulder charge. It was argued that it was an unfortunate collision that put Billy in the position of making the contact with a shoulder.
Second.
Despite what you think. The way the shoulder charge rule is stated it is not a black and white ruling.
It must be argued that the player made no attempt to make contact with the arms when affecting the tackle.
It includes that the attempt to make the contact with the arms does not have to be a successful attempt.
Now after reading the ruling and watching the tackle you have to be 100% sure that slater is not trying to make any sort of conventional tackle.

He didnt make any attempt whatsoever to make a proper tackle, his arm was pinned to his side preparing for nothing else but shoulder-first contact. His spin that he "thought Feki was going to step inside" was pure BS, Slater didn't slow down one iota in anticipation of a sidestep.
Just hope he is on the receiving end of a bellringer on Sunday. That'd be sweet, sweet karma.

I agree with FTB it's a shoulder charge every day of the week. I don't care if he thought he was being stepped, I don't care if he was running fast, what I see is a guy cock his arm and make shoulder-on-shoulder contact with the winger and send the winger sprawling over the sideline.

I don't care if Slater watches footage before games, or whether he felt first contact on his pec; I don't care if the lawyer supposes that hip contact caused the bulk of the collision that send Feki flying… it was a shoulder charge to 99% of viewers and if you have to break it down into slow-mo technical crap about raised arms and thought processes then you've got a stupid system of determination.

I mean, they ping blokes for doing a crusher whether or not they meant to. They ping blokes for tripping even if it's an involuntary reaction to being stepped. The same should happen to shoulder charges, if shoulder charges are to be banned - if you turn shoulder into a bloke you have charged him, despite the intentions.

Now personally I don't think shoulder charges should be an easily banned offence; I think 200 points is too much. I also would be happy for side-on shoulders to be accepted as a try-saving action, so long as there was no medical advice against it; i.e. if there is no huge or increased risk of a perpendicular shoulder collision vs straight-on.

But it was a shoulder charge and the bloke who won man of the Origin series despite missing a game has now sidestepped through the eye of the judiciary's needle to play on Sunday. And I want Melbourne to win, I just don't like the way this has panned out.