2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[innsaneink]

Jesse Sue would be glad that he has joined the Dogs for next season, if he collapsed in the sand dunes during sandhill warrior sessions imagine what Madge would've had in store for him this preseason.
Our boys would be nervous that hard task-master Madge is on his way :slight_smile:

Bahahaah I had the same thought and posted it a few hours ago…our boys will be fit thats for sure

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Not sure where you have been during all of this, but if you don’t believe that there was a continuos barrage of different theories by all the so-called journalists , commentators, and the public.
You must have been off the Planet,
Brent Read has ran so many guesses that he must have had trouble in remembering just what what his official opinion actually was..

The silliest Theory, was from the crowd that were convinced that Gold Bar Benny was on his way to Concord( or wherever our Home is this week)
That was never going to happen, but that story was being pushed all over the place

We were only ever linked to 2 coaches Bennett and Madge. What planet are you living on? What different theories are you talking about. It was one consistent story. Ivan meets with Penrith, asks for a release, Tigers say no, Cleary signs for 2021, tigers speak to Bennett/Madge, madge signs, Cleary released. Don’t try to re write history now.

For God's sake, let it go.

Huh.? Where did I say in my post that we were linked to more than two Coaches ( notcounting the one that was here already)

It wasn’t just us, that have turned themselves inside out to try and come out on top.
You obviously haven’t read much of the forum, newspapers, or watched much Tv , if you don’t think that there were daily doses of theories on Coaches movements Club activity , players moving with Coaches etc,
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Good to see that you are still trying to push your version of the chronological order of the happenings, your trying hard, but just not really getting there.
Your version makes interesting reading, Pity if someone who was there at the time comes out with their real version,

Since you want to keep going with this. Surprising how no one seems to mind, but everyone was so quick to give me advice about giving it a break.

We are talking about the tigers here mate, tell us the multiple theories that were being branded around. You go round in circles but don’t really offer much of an argument.

 

[Needaname]

Great, so we’re back to body language and mind reading. Facts don’t matter.

No don't try and put your slant on the matter. It has been reported on CH 9 from Bennett. We know the players names, those who will only sign for 1 year.

And haven’t yet signed contracts.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Peter Badel from Courier Mail just tweeted this - Ivan Cleary has texted Wests Tigers players this afternoon confirming Michael Maguire will be named his successor tomorrow morning. He spoke of the stress he has caused the group before he joins Penrith.

 

[TYGA]

JUST read a tweet Peter Basel Courier Mail Cleary texted players telling them Maguire bing announced tomorrow and apologised for the stress. Una Grande Ratta.

 

[WT2K]

Peter Badel from Courier Mail just tweeted this - Ivan Cleary has texted Wests Tigers players this afternoon confirming Michael Maguire will be named his successor tomorrow morning. He spoke of the stress he has caused the group before he joins Penrith.

Find that rather weak. A breakup text lol. Should've called each one. Anyway, glad it's all over.

 

[WT2K]

The Tigers and Panthers have agreed a confidential settlement which will enable Cleary to rejoin Penrith (Daily Telegraph)

 

[Aceshigh]

Maguire comes with his own enterage of about 20 or more and if Ben Gardiner is one of them he will only be an asset

 

[avocadoontoast]

Peter Badel from Courier Mail just tweeted this - Ivan Cleary has texted Wests Tigers players this afternoon confirming Michael Maguire will be named his successor tomorrow morning. He spoke of the stress he has caused the group before he joins Penrith.

Wow. What a coward.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Maguire comes with his own enterage of about 20 or more and if Ben Gardiner is one of them he will only be an asset

Are the other assistant/performance coaches contracted next year.

 

[mike]

One thing's for sure, in 3 years a lot of fans on here will pretend their crystal ball predicted madge's success or failure at WT, or that Bennett would have been better or worse.

I'd just like to get in early and say….

No. You had no idea. And no matter what happens, your opinion now and at any time in the future is totally irrelevant to the outcome, unless you work for ther club.
People pretending otherwise already are only clogging up the forum with nonsense. Please respect everyone's opinion, none of us know what will happen.

I happen to be in the majority, who seem to believe that despite imperfect progress, the trendline continues to move upwards over the last year or so, recent events included. Even if Madge backflips (pure speculation, don't stress), then I'm still confident that our future can leave us all feeling better about the club.

Well said.

 

[mike]

Peter Badel from Courier Mail just tweeted this - Ivan Cleary has texted Wests Tigers players this afternoon confirming Michael Maguire will be named his successor tomorrow morning. He spoke of the stress he has caused the group before he joins Penrith.

Wow. What a coward.

Yeah if this is true it shows just how wrong I was about Cleary. That is very poor form indeed.

 

[JD Tiger]

Ok, so now that we’ve acquired Maguire any ideas on who if anyone he might bring along in terms of .coaching staff.

He has former Norths coach Ben Gardiner assisting him with the Kiwis, along with Nathan Cayless…
Im not sure who he had with him during his time at Souths but wasnt farahs bro a conditioner there?

One forum member has provided me some info, and I caught up with a mate who is prominantly placed at the chooks and friends with Madge who backed up some mail that Cayless will be his assistant coach at the Tigers. Conditioning staff is less clear at this stage.

Is that the Cayless brother who played for the Tigers?

 

[innsaneink]

No, that was Jason…Nathan played for parra

 

[JD Tiger]

No, that was Jason…Nathan played for parra

Fair enough. We aren't like Manly, we don't need to 'keep it in the WT family'

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

We were only ever linked to 2 coaches Bennett and Madge. What planet are you living on? What different theories are you talking about. It was one consistent story. Ivan meets with Penrith, asks for a release, Tigers say no, Cleary signs for 2021, tigers speak to Bennett/Madge, madge signs, Cleary released. Don’t try to re write history now.

For God's sake, let it go.

Huh.? Where did I say in my post that we were linked to more than two Coaches ( notcounting the one that was here already)

It wasn’t just us, that have turned themselves inside out to try and come out on top.
You obviously haven’t read much of the forum, newspapers, or watched much Tv , if you don’t think that there were daily doses of theories on Coaches movements Club activity , players moving with Coaches etc,
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Good to see that you are still trying to push your version of the chronological order of the happenings, your trying hard, but just not really getting there.
Your version makes interesting reading, Pity if someone who was there at the time comes out with their real version,

Since you want to keep going with this. Surprising how no one seems to mind, but everyone was so quick to give me advice about giving it a break.

We are talking about the tigers here mate, tell us the multiple theories that were being branded around. You go round in circles but don’t really offer much of an argument.

You are unbelievable.
Are you seriously not aware of the last 140 or so pages that are dedicated to the subject here, both about us as a club , as well as all the other particements in the coaching version of War and Peace

I’d suggest that you go through the previous pages, and you’ll find plenty of theories about us and everyone else involved
TRY reading some, as it’s clear by your posts that you dont
I gave quotes where possible for most of the points that I made, but I I can’t remember one single quotes from you, just guesses,
Sources aren’t quotes , sources can say anything , just like yourself. .

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

Ok, so now that we’ve acquired Maguire any ideas on who if anyone he might bring along in terms of .coaching staff.

He has former Norths coach Ben Gardiner assisting him with the Kiwis, along with Nathan Cayless…
Im not sure who he had with him during his time at Souths but wasnt farahs bro a conditioner there?

One forum member has provided me some info, and I caught up with a mate who is prominantly placed at the chooks and friends with Madge who backed up some mail that Cayless will be his assistant coach at the Tigers. Conditioning staff is less clear at this stage.

Is that the Cayless brother who played for the Tigers?

Farah bro is the physio.

 

[coivtny]

It appears this saga is drawing to a close with the finishing touches to be applied tomorrow by media releases to be issued by WT and Penrith. On the whole I think Pascoe and his team have handled the change in coach pretty well. There's just one thing that would leave a sour taste in my mouth and that is if Pascoe thanks Cleary for his contribution to WT. The majority of fans are filthy with Cleary and would not take kindly to Pascoe talking Cleary 'up' in the media release. It would be inappropriate for Pascoe to talk Cleary 'down' but, equally, fans will not appreciate Cleary getting a wrap for his time at WT.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Happy enough with the apparent outcome and assume that finalising things at the eleventh hour league season wise was all about obtaining some cash from Penrith. Expect that WT got half a million or so and if not, then the club has been had twice.

Officials at the club probably should have handled a few things a bit better, though plenty on here were wanting the mongrel bring his son and still hoodwinked by him for weeks after the debacle that he created surfaced.

Please don't take this as me having a go at you personally. Your post just happens to be one of many saying the same thing.

I understand the sentiment, but what exactly could we have handled a bit better?

Our coach signed with another club behind our backs and went silent in the media. What would we have liked the club to do exactly? Attach cameras and GPS tracking equipment to our coach and players in case they run off and do what Cleary did?

Do we really want this guy hanging around anyway?
Do we think forcing someone to stay against their will is a good idea?
- Someone will pipe up and say "we are sending the wrong message"
- No actually, it's the right one. You're either with us, or against us. If you're against us, you can F off now!
Why do some think that management is responsible for this occurring?

My point is:

1\. This could not have been prevented - Nathan wanted to stay at Penrith and Ivan is doing what he wants to do, which is coach his son. It sucks for us, but this is the reality.

2\. No amount of "maneuvering" or chess-playing was going to help us in this situation - We had no currency. The best we had was threatening to not release Cleary, but all involved knew that if he signed for Penrith, we'd want him gone. That bluff was no bargaining chip in the scheme of things.

3\. As soon as it became clear what the situation was, Pascoe secured a premiership winning coach within weeks.

4\. Compensation - I don't know the real story here, but who cares? If we negotiated some, that wouldn't have been easy. If we didn't, I honestly wouldn't have expected Penrith to pay anything in the first place. Any compo is a MASSIVE bonus rather than a given in this situation.

5\. Potter, Taylor and Cleary were scrap heap coaches when they came to us. 2 of them still are. A premiership winning coach and a healthy salary cap is a good result considering what we've had to endure.

6\. Cleary is the one that looks like a dog in all of this.

7\. Most importantly…good riddance to that underhanded grub Cleary. We should all be breathing a sigh of relief that he isn't going to be here in 2019!

Didn't read much as just too long, so maybe you should have quoted somebody else.

I have consistently blamed Cleary and my major gripe with the club is them not spelling out his treachery more clearly early in the piece. I think it was unfair to allow supporters to think otherwise as argument on here shows.

 

[old_man_tiger]

One thing's for sure, in 3 years a lot of fans on here will pretend their crystal ball predicted madge's success or failure at WT, or that Bennett would have been better or worse.

I'd just like to get in early and say….

No. You had no idea. And no matter what happens, your opinion now and at any time in the future is totally irrelevant to the outcome, unless you work for ther club.
People pretending otherwise already are only clogging up the forum with nonsense. Please respect everyone's opinion, none of us know what will happen.

I happen to be in the majority, who seem to believe that despite imperfect progress, the trendline continues to move upwards over the last year or so, recent events included. Even if Madge backflips (pure speculation, don't stress), then I'm still confident that our future can leave us all feeling better about the club.

Here is a tangible; those players who follow Bennett to Souths would no doubt improve our team and performance dramatically had we signed Bennett. That is not speculation, crystal ball crap, sitting within a triangle conjuring up positive thought or the results of a trip to the local transcendental meditation centre with the Maharishi.

IF it happens it will be for Souths, it has nothing to do with us.
I wanted Bennet too, if you recall I asked you to share your thoughts on Maguire after stating that because I appreciate your views on the game. Nonetheless, Unca might have had one look at his prospects here with our facilities and hobbled off the other way, hence it is all hypothetical and you can't know that it would have ended happily every after. Therefore, I stand by my earlier comment, but respect your right to your beliefs and opinion. I only object to the the way they are stated as facts. The only facts in situations like this are in the past, and even then they are hard to figure out.