2019 Coaching saga -Thread

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I get the Bennett magic, experience etc. and I’ve heard many times that his players love him. But isn’t anyone concerned that he’s getting a bit old? Maybe it’s not an issue but everyone fades with time. I’m not against him coming but I’m just a bit hesitant.

As I said the other day , was about 4 seconds away from winning a premiership in 2015

Players want to play for him , much like Terry Lamb
 
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I get the Bennett magic, experience etc. and I’ve heard many times that his players love him. But isn’t anyone concerned that he’s getting a bit old? Maybe it’s not an issue but everyone fades with time. I’m not against him coming but I’m just a bit hesitant.

As I said the other day , was about 4 seconds away from winning a premiership in 2015

Players want to play for him , much like Terry Lamb

Yeah I’m just interested in people’s thoughts - that’s all. I don’t doubt his ability, presence, knowledge etc. I’d be happy if he signed - just wondering if others have concerns around his age
 
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Spot on Patriot. Cleary remains and we ‘drift!’ No way Pascoe is thinking that way. Cleary is gone - no doubts

Your on the money here Patriot.

majority of fans: every tiger supporter i know is against Cleary being here next year
media: ex players, media in every single newspaper, website..etc.. fairfax, news ltd, fox sports. ALmost every single one of them says that its untenable for Cleary to be here next year.
players: . as if the players who bought into Clearys dream are happy he is deserting them.

**Ignore the noise Patriot, these trolls probably agree with you. But they play the man not the ball.**

CLeary here next year is a disaster for this club and i have faith that Pascoe and Go will never allow that to happen.

This i know, i can read body language.

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Something is going to have to happen soon then. Pre season starts in less than 3 weeks, or thereabouts. If he's here day one of pre season, he's here for 2019.

I think that's what Jason Taylor thought to at the beginning of 2017…
 
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One thing that you can bet on is that there will be some great banners at the first WT vs Panthers game, hopefully it will be at LO.

Mate it could be at Scully Park …...... :astonished:

If it is at Scully park I’ll be up for a drive.
 
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I get the Bennett magic, experience etc. and I’ve heard many times that his players love him. But isn’t anyone concerned that he’s getting a bit old? Maybe it’s not an issue but everyone fades with time. I’m not against him coming but I’m just a bit hesitant.

As I said the other day , was about 4 seconds away from winning a premiership in 2015

Players want to play for him , much like Terry Lamb

Yeah I’m just interested in people’s thoughts - that’s all. I don’t doubt his ability, presence, knowledge etc. I’d be happy if he signed - just wondering if others have concerns around his age

6 premierships with an Australian and QLD SOO squad pretty average results.
 
https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1050362567753785346?s=19

https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1050363965077774336?s=19
 
IF the Tigers want Bennett this is smart business come now or don’t come at all. Broncos don’t want him he wants one ast year with a gun up and coming squad to boost his stocks. Perhaps take over Souths or Parra next year. I’d lean towards Madge personally but if it’s our call between the two hats off to the leadership this was well played.
 
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I actually don't believe the silence predicts either direction for Ivan.

I would expect that the consistent and widespread media noise about Penrith making an offer to Ivan tells you that's probably true. There's a point where media speculation coalesces and all the outlets start to have roughly the same message, at which time you normally get an exclusive followed by a formal club announcement.

Right now the deal of Ivan to Penrith can only be from 2021 onwards, so if Ivan had accepted and Penrith were happy, the Panthers would have made an announcement already. If Ivan had knocked them back, Penrith probably would have made a statement confirming Ciraldo will be their head coach 2019 - has this happened? (I don't keep up with Panthers press releases).

I therefore believe lack of announcement for Penrith means an offer has been made, but the details aren't finalised because they are dependent on Tigers, and Tigers are working out their conditions of release.

Lack of announcement from Tigers does mean there is nothing to say - but that could mean no change or changes pending finalisation. It's only been a few weeks since the season ended for all the clubs concerned and Broncos announced they were not renewing Bennett, so likely Tigers are considering their options before they make the decision on Ivan. I would suspect that if Ivan was 100% definite to be coach in 2019, Tigers would have released a press statement by now, just ahead of the pre-season. They are clearly in press statement mode given the announcements about roster and development players.

So my personal take is that Penrith have probably made a deal, Tigers are open to negotiations, but it's all hinging on Tigers making a deal with a new coach (something that requires due diligence and time) and Penrith compensating Tigers in some form. Ivan being on holiday suggests his involvement is done, i.e. both clubs already know his position and are working out the details between themselves.

I would not be surprised at all if part of the deal means Tigers make the first announcement, followed rapidly by Penrith announcing the move of Cleary to Penrith for 2019, likely before end of October.

Penrith did announce that their board have approved Cameron Ciraldo as head coach for 2019\. It was some weeks ago.

I'm not sure about that (happy to be corrected) I did hear Gus say off the cuff Ciraldo would be instated as coach for next year .. At the time it hadn't occurred

This is what I was going on:

“I don’t see any need to change anything we’ve been doing for the last five or six weeks,” Gould said on the Six Tackles with Gus podcast.

“I’ve been very impressed with Cameron Ciraldo and the academy staff and we threw everything in our academy at the NRL preparation.

“They did an outstanding job, I was really impressed with them.” Ciraldo is contracted for next season after serving as an assistant under Griffin.

On Wednesday it was reported that the club’s board had rubber-stamped his ascension to the top job on a full-time basis. /[www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/panthers/cameron-ciraldo-set-to-coach-penrith-in-2019-as-club-eye-off-ivan-cleary-longterm/news-story/ff64ce3cda383f88dc845857d408559c](http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/panthers/cameron-ciraldo-set-to-coach-penrith-in-2019-as-club-eye-off-ivan-cleary-longterm/news-story/ff64ce3cda383f88dc845857d408559c)

Yeah…thats the same thing I read, not what I would call concrete and definitive. Seems rather open ended and theres been no official confirmation that Ciraldo would be head NRL coach next year. that would be pretty damned disrespectful if theyre leaving his announcement at that...a Gus Podcast
Lets not forget these are Goulds words, known BS artist extraordinaire
 
If Bennett decides to stay at Broncos for 2019, and we sign Madge and Seibold re-signs with Souths it then limits the Broncos to Walters (who they gave knocked back before) or Demetriou.
I don’t think that they will like those options therefore they could release Bennett and sign Madge for 2019.
That’s is Ivan does go to Penrith in 2019, which looks more likely than not.
 
Not sure an ultimatum would help get Bennett. If the broncos roster plays up to its potential next year, uncle will not be short of suitors
 
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Not sure an ultimatum would help get Bennett. If the broncos roster plays up to its potential next year, uncle will not be short of suitors

I’m not so sure about that, especially given his age. This could be his last opportunity for all we know.
 
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I get the Bennett magic, experience etc. and I’ve heard many times that his players love him. But isn’t anyone concerned that he’s getting a bit old? Maybe it’s not an issue but everyone fades with time. I’m not against him coming but I’m just a bit hesitant.

A lot of people i know have the same concern. Is he too old?

Its hard to tell but if we had any doubts it makes no sense then to wait another year before signing him. He would only be another year older.
 
My 2 cents …

If we get Bennett we get a coach who is the best the game has seen, has had results everywhere he has coached, and would attract players who otherwise would not see our club as a potential home.

If we get Madge we get a coach who has had success with one club, playing a certain type of footy, that he cannot replicate at the Tigers. The fact he hasn't coached anywhere else since means we don't know if he has been able to update his playbook, and we don't know if he can develop a style of coaching that would work at the Tigers. He is more of a gamble than Bennett.

I know i am in the minority, but i would keep Ivan for another year if it means definitely getting Bennett in 2020\. It wouldn't be the first time, or the last time, a coach is signed elsewhere for the next season.

If everything is cleared up and the players know who is coaching and what the plan is, then they can put their heads down and concentrate on playing footy next year.
 
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Wests Tigers have made a lot of dumb decision in their short and uneventful history but keeping Ivan Cleary on as coach for 2019 will rank up there as the worst of them all.

Management might be peddling that line as some sort of legal view point but reality is that the majority of fans, media, players, other coaches and staff just wont cop it.

Would be an absolute disaster.

I would think he is gone. As for the club, as others have said they just can't come out and say " Ivan is gone and we are looking for a new coach". They won't make any announcement until everything is finalised - new coach signed, deal finalised with Penrith and a big boot purchased to kick Ivan up the rear as he leaves.
 

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