2019 Coaching saga -Thread

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Bottom line Penriths window of winning the comp is probably the next couple of years, than it may close. So do you think they will risk a rookie in charge. I don’t think so, okay Cleary’shas not won a comp, but he is a experienced campaigner, who knows how to handle all the crap that goes with coaching. The toad of toad hall Gould will probably be the game plan man who ever coaches.

Anyway I think Penrith know the importance of getting Cleary into the joint. I think they also know he has a point to prove after getting shown the door last time, so he will be hungry
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Lets see them cough up the cash then.
 
Hasler and Manly are a great fit. He should never have gone to the Bulldogs in the first place. Only went for the big bucks, or was it just to sabotage them? Either way he did a good job of messing them up and being paid handsomely for it 😂. Now he is back where he belongs.
 
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Hasler and Manly are a great fit. He should never have gone to the Bulldogs in the first place. Only went for the big bucks, or was it just to sabotage them? Either way he did a good job of messing them up and being paid handsomely for it 😂. Now he is back where he belongs.
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Bulldogs threw the kitchen sink at him, plus I think he knew what was coming in the way of salary cap dramas at Manly.

He did win them 2 premierships though and steered them through their best years. Des never looked right at Canterbury.
 
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You’re going back too far in your analysis in my opinion. The game has changed significantly in the last 10 years, let alone the last 20 years. The biggest change that has further shifted the balance of power to a few clubs is the introduction of TPAs. The teams that have access to loads of them are the powerhouses, those that don’t are the battlers. Souths would be #4 in that category behind the 3 clubs discussed. In the 7 season since 2012, Souths have made the playoffs 5 times, 4 of those in the top 4\. I don’t need to remind you of the tigers record of that same period. Powerhouse or not, there is a BIG difference in the clout of the Rabbitohs and the Tigers
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I'll start by saying we don't know much at all about the value and assignment of TPAs and most of what people like to suggest about TPAs is pure speculation.

NRL did release some figures this year. You claim Souths would be #4 in TPAs behind the 3 clubs I mentioned and you'd be wrong, because Roosters aren't in the Top 3 TPA clubs according to NRL.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/08/30/retirement-of-slater-and-thaiday-set-to-see-big-drop-in-value-of-tpas/
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-data-suggests-salary-cap-isnt-distorted-by-thirdparty-agreements-20180219-h0wayc.html

Melbourne had the highest value of private sector TPAs, totalling $788,000 last season.
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Brisbane and Penrith had $550,000 each, while only one other club totalled more than $300,000 and six clubs were below $100,000 in private sector TPAs.

Souths may indeed be #4, in which case you are trying to convince me that Souths have more TPAs registered than Roosters.

And if Souths don't have more TPAs than Roosters, then Souths can only have somewhere between $100-300K as per the article. NRL state that Storm (well not Storm really - Smith and Slater) pull $800K TPAs, Broncos and Panthers a bit over $500K, TEAM X has somewhere over $300K, 10 teams have $100-300K and 6 teams have < $100K.

Maybe I did go back too far in my analysis, but TPAs were introduced in 2006\. So let's look at Souths since 2006 - 1 premiership, 1 wooden spoon, Top 4 3 other times, 7th twice, 6 other seasons without finals. So they make the finals 7/13 = 54% or just over half the seasons.

But don't get me wrong, Souths are definitely traveling better than Tigers. But that's a comparison few clubs struggle with. 2019 will be a real test for Souths because, as I noted, they are very strong chance of losing their Dally M Coach of the Year and they arguably need to improve on the Top 4 finish they achieved in 2018, otherwise they risk slipping back with an aging roster - Inglis is 31, Burgess 29, Reynolds 28, Sutton 33, Cody Walker 28\. Even Cookie is 27\. Crichton is gone.

I personally think Souths have under-achieved over the last 10 years. They absolutely failed to capitalise on their premiership, almost as badly as Tigers did. Sure they have a big-name owner, but who is the last superstar Rusty Crowe talked into joining the Souths side? The Inglis and Burgess signings were 9 years ago. They let go the current Australian 5/8th and Clive Churchill medalist.
 
In my view our board is going about it the right way. If Panthers want Ivan early then pay. The figure will be negotiated and a number agreed upon imo. Can't see Panthers holding out with a rookie coach for two years in their current premiership window.
 
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You’re going back too far in your analysis in my opinion. The game has changed significantly in the last 10 years, let alone the last 20 years. The biggest change that has further shifted the balance of power to a few clubs is the introduction of TPAs. The teams that have access to loads of them are the powerhouses, those that don’t are the battlers. Souths would be #4 in that category behind the 3 clubs discussed. In the 7 season since 2012, Souths have made the playoffs 5 times, 4 of those in the top 4\. I don’t need to remind you of the tigers record of that same period. Powerhouse or not, there is a BIG difference in the clout of the Rabbitohs and the Tigers

I'll start by saying we don't know much at all about the value and assignment of TPAs and most of what people like to suggest about TPAs is pure speculation.

NRL did release some figures this year. You claim Souths would be #4 in TPAs behind the 3 clubs I mentioned and you'd be wrong, because Roosters aren't in the Top 3 TPA clubs according to NRL.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/08/30/retirement-of-slater-and-thaiday-set-to-see-big-drop-in-value-of-tpas/
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-data-suggests-salary-cap-isnt-distorted-by-thirdparty-agreements-20180219-h0wayc.html

Melbourne had the highest value of private sector TPAs, totalling $788,000 last season.
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Brisbane and Penrith had $550,000 each, while only one other club totalled more than $300,000 and six clubs were below $100,000 in private sector TPAs.

Souths may indeed be #4, in which case you are trying to convince me that Souths have more TPAs registered than Roosters.

And if Souths don't have more TPAs than Roosters, then Souths can only have somewhere between $100-300K as per the article. NRL state that Storm (well not Storm really - Smith and Slater) pull $800K TPAs, Broncos and Panthers a bit over $500K, TEAM X has somewhere over $300K, 10 teams have $100-300K and 6 teams have < $100K.

Maybe I did go back too far in my analysis, but TPAs were introduced in 2006\. So let's look at Souths since 2006 - 1 premiership, 1 wooden spoon, Top 4 3 other times, 7th twice, 6 other seasons without finals. So they make the finals 7/13 = 54% or just over half the seasons.

But don't get me wrong, Souths are definitely traveling better than Tigers. But that's a comparison few clubs struggle with. 2019 will be a real test for Souths because, as I noted, they are very strong chance of losing their Dally M Coach of the Year and they arguably need to improve on the Top 4 finish they achieved in 2018, otherwise they risk slipping back with an aging roster - Inglis is 31, Burgess 29, Reynolds 28, Sutton 33, Cody Walker 28\. Even Cookie is 27\. Crichton is gone.

I personally think Souths have under-achieved over the last 10 years. They absolutely failed to capitalise on their premiership, almost as badly as Tigers did. Sure they have a big-name owner, but who is the last superstar Rusty Crowe talked into joining the Souths side? The Inglis and Burgess signings were 9 years ago. They let go the current Australian 5/8th and Clive Churchill medalist.
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You’re having the wool pulled over your eyes if you believe anything regarding TPAs that comes from NRL.com. TPAs may have technically started in 2006, but they did not become a prominent issue until the 2010s. I honestly didn’t read your entire post because it was long and this conversation is at the point where we are just going to go around in circles. Agree to disagree
 
At least things are reaching the end, whatever that may be. Training resumes in a week or so. Hands will need to be declared and decisions made. Who knows???? …....
 
With compensation being seeked by tigers, does anyone else think we may have an agreement in place with a new coach?
 
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Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.
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This worries me.
If true, it means that both Madge and Bennett do not want to come here.

Therefore, Ivan’s contract stands and if he wants to go to Penrith, it will cost them $500k for us to release him.
 
This worries me.
If true, it means that both Madge and Bennett do not want to come here.

Therefore, Ivan’s contract stands and if he wants to go to Penrith, it will cost them $500k for us to release him.

I don't read it that way at all. I think if true it's saying you created this mess, you want it,you stump up some money.
 
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Rothfiekd reported in the telegraph that WT Board has directed Pascoe not to release Cleary under any circumstances until minimum 1/2 million in compensation is paid.

This worries me.
If true, it means that both Madge and Bennett do not want to come here.

Therefore, Ivan’s contract stands and if he wants to go to Penrith, it will cost them $500k for us to release him.
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I'm pretty confident we'll get Madge. You'd have to think he's long odds for the Broncos gig and he won't be going back to Souths. It's pretty much either us or nothing the way it stands now. If he rejects us with zero other options available it will be a bit of a slap in the face.
 
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I don't read it that way at all. I think if true it's saying you created this mess, you want it,you stump up some money.
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I read it this way too. You wanted him that badly you sought to ruin our end of year and preseason and leave us with nothing next year, you can make some reparations.
 
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You’re having the wool pulled over your eyes if you believe anything regarding TPAs that comes from NRL.com. TPAs may have technically started in 2006, but they did not become a prominent issue until the 2010s. I honestly didn’t read your entire post because it was long and this conversation is at the point where we are just going to go around in circles. Agree to disagree
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So the NRL is lying…
 
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This worries me.
If true, it means that both Madge and Bennett do not want to come here.

Therefore, Ivan’s contract stands and if he wants to go to Penrith, it will cost them $500k for us to release him.
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I don't read it that way at all. I think if true it's saying you created this mess, you want it,you stump up some money.

PPC, if the rumours are true about a coaching merry-go-round, then each club (broncos, souths, tigers, panthers) would be willing to release a coach early to get the one they want. Now we ask for $500k on top of early release? All the cards fall down.

I’ve been wrong before 😢
 
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This worries me.
If true, it means that both Madge and Bennett do not want to come here.

Therefore, Ivan’s contract stands and if he wants to go to Penrith, it will cost them $500k for us to release him.

I don't read it that way at all. I think if true it's saying you created this mess, you want it,you stump up some money.
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PPC, if the rumours are true about a coaching merry-go-round, then each club (broncos, souths, tigers, panthers) would be willing to release a coach early to get the one they want. Now we ask for $500k on top of early release? All the cards fall down.

I’ve been wrong before 😢

Maybe we always have. Maybe we have Madge locked down and we're like "well, we're set Gus and Ivan, when you're ready to come to the table with some dosh we're ready to let Ivan walk."
 
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