2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[WT2K]

I don't read it that way at all. I think if true it's saying you created this mess, you want it,you stump up some money.

I read it this way too. You wanted him that badly you sought to ruin our end of year and preseason and leave us with nothing next year, you can make some reparations.

How I'm reading it too. Also makes me think we have an agreement reached with a new coach.

 

[boonboon]

This worries me.
If true, it means that both Madge and Bennett do not want to come here.

Therefore, Ivan’s contract stands and if he wants to go to Penrith, it will cost them $500k for us to release him.

I don't read it that way at all. I think if true it's saying you created this mess, you want it,you stump up some money.

PPC, if the rumours are true about a coaching merry-go-round, then each club (broncos, souths, tigers, panthers) would be willing to release a coach early to get the one they want. Now we ask for $500k on top of early release? All the cards fall down.

I’ve been wrong before 😢

Maybe we always have. Maybe we have Madge locked down and we're like "well, we're set Gus and Ivan, when you're ready to come to the table with some dosh we're ready to let Ivan walk."

We can’t have Madge ‘locked down’ CB as that implies he’s signed a contract. Cleary is legally our coach until 2020.

All Penrith have to do is say were not paying $500k we will wait another two years for IC and all of a sudden we are screwed. At best, Madge has verbally agreed terms awaiting the MGR

Except Panthers ARe screwed more becuase they miss the magical premiership window

 

[Glennb]

Maybe I did go back too far in my analysis, **_but TPAs were introduced in 2006._** So let's look at Souths since 2006 - 1 premiership, 1 wooden spoon, Top 4 3 other times, 7th twice, 6 other seasons without finals. So they make the finals 7/13 = 54% or just over half the seasons.

That is rubbish. TPA's were not introduced in 2006\. TPA's just are….always have been and always will be. In 2006 the NRL introduced rules and restrictions regarding TPA's that are **_linked to the club_** but there have never been any rules or restrictions regarding TPA's that have nothing to do with the club, never was, never will and never should there be.

This blew up when Craig Wing was at the Roosters early in his career. NRL stepped in about his salary because he was earning a lot more than Roosters were paying him, but the majority of his income was from Foxtel because he (on his own merit) had jagged a gig on a fashion show (unrelated to league).

Basically, like anyone else in this (so far) reasonably free country if you want to supplement your income there is no restriction outside of your current employer. If player X gets a gig as a public speaker or similar, it doesnt and never will be part of the cap.

 

[kiwitiger]

Just skipped from page 41 to 90…What I miss?

A lot of :blah :blah :blah mostly…

Crap, must of missed the bit that was not :blah :blah :blah .
On the bright bright side at least the club doesn't leak like the titanic anymore,
as no one is in the know here about this.

 

[Glennb]

This worries me.
If true, it means that both Madge and Bennett do not want to come here.

Therefore, Ivan’s contract stands and if he wants to go to Penrith, it will cost them $500k for us to release him.

I don't read it that way at all. I think if true it's saying you created this mess, you want it,you stump up some money.

PPC, if the rumours are true about a coaching merry-go-round, then each club (broncos, souths, tigers, panthers) would be willing to release a coach early to get the one they want. Now we ask for $500k on top of early release? All the cards fall down.

I’ve been wrong before 😢

Maybe we always have. Maybe we have Madge locked down and we're like "well, we're set Gus and Ivan, when you're ready to come to the table with some dosh we're ready to let Ivan walk."

We can’t have Madge ‘locked down’ CB as that implies he’s signed a contract. Cleary is legally our coach until 2020.

All Penrith have to do is say were not paying $500k we will wait another two years for IC and all of a sudden we are screwed. At best, Madge has verbally agreed terms awaiting the MGR

If I was Gus right now, I'd make a big song and dance making sure the media noticed as I flew to Auckland (or whereever the hell he is right now) to interview Maguire. That would throw the cat amongst the pidgeons.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

This worries me.
If true, it means that both Madge and Bennett do not want to come here.

Therefore, Ivan’s contract stands and if he wants to go to Penrith, it will cost them $500k for us to release him.

I don't read it that way at all. I think if true it's saying you created this mess, you want it,you stump up some money.

PPC, if the rumours are true about a coaching merry-go-round, then each club (broncos, souths, tigers, panthers) would be willing to release a coach early to get the one they want. Now we ask for $500k on top of early release? All the cards fall down.

I’ve been wrong before 😢

Maybe we always have. Maybe we have Madge locked down and we're like "well, we're set Gus and Ivan, when you're ready to come to the table with some dosh we're ready to let Ivan walk."

We can’t have Madge ‘locked down’ CB as that implies he’s signed a contract. Cleary is legally our coach until 2020.

All Penrith have to do is say were not paying $500k we will wait another two years for IC and all of a sudden we are screwed. At best, Madge has verbally agreed terms awaiting the MGR

I very much Panthers, Gould and particularly Cleary could live with that scenarios.
On the other hand WT have nothing to lose. Worst for us is to get Cleary to do 12 months penance and watch him and Panther burn with rooky coach.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

You’re having the wool pulled over your eyes if you believe anything regarding TPAs that comes from NRL.com. TPAs may have technically started in 2006, but they did not become a prominent issue until the 2010s. I honestly didn’t read your entire post because it was long and this conversation is at the point where we are just going to go around in circles. Agree to disagree

So the NRL is lying…

:roll :roll
I bet the NRL believe it

 

[newtiger]

We don't need to get rid of him at all. I think the club is happy to persist with him, unless we can come out of this in a stronger position. If the situation was that toxic and we needed to get rid of him, we wouldn't be putting a price on his head. He'd get a release with no provisions, and he probably would have gotten it weeks ago. The fact we want compensation shows we're happy to use some leverage.

But I don't think we have any leverage at all because I don't think Penrith cares if they get Cleary now or later. Persisting with Cleary for a further two years is not in the best interests of the club, the fans or the players.

We must surely have leverage because no club signs a coach 2 years in advance. Has it ever happened in the history of rugby league? 1 season yes, but that is for top-field coaches, not 50% guys like Ivan.

So if Penrith don't care if they get Cleary now or later, why all the hullabaloo? Why sack the coach who got them to the finals? If they don't care about Ivan then don't sign him at all, sign up Ciraldo for the next 3 seasons.

Tigers are doing the right thing here. If you hand over Ivan and ask for nothing in return, you get nothing in return. If you demand something, you might not get $500K but you will likely negotiate something.

I think the only reason they went after Ivan in the first place was to secure Nathan. There are a lot of coaches out there better than Ivan they could have pursued just as hard. Do the Panthers have a better chance of winning the premiership with Ivan there over Ciraldo? I'm not so sure.

The difference in the situations is that Penrith can wait for 2 years. We can't. I just want him gone.

Then that will be Gus' 10 year plan!!!!!

 

[Balmainbred]

Des puts pen to paper at manly for 3 years today.

 

[magpiecol]

But I don't think we have any leverage at all because I don't think Penrith cares if they get Cleary now or later. Persisting with Cleary for a further two years is not in the best interests of the club, the fans or the players.

We must surely have leverage because no club signs a coach 2 years in advance. Has it ever happened in the history of rugby league? 1 season yes, but that is for top-field coaches, not 50% guys like Ivan.

So if Penrith don't care if they get Cleary now or later, why all the hullabaloo? Why sack the coach who got them to the finals? If they don't care about Ivan then don't sign him at all, sign up Ciraldo for the next 3 seasons.

Tigers are doing the right thing here. If you hand over Ivan and ask for nothing in return, you get nothing in return. If you demand something, you might not get $500K but you will likely negotiate something.

I think the only reason they went after Ivan in the first place was to secure Nathan. There are a lot of coaches out there better than Ivan they could have pursued just as hard. Do the Panthers have a better chance of winning the premiership with Ivan there over Ciraldo? I'm not so sure.

The difference in the situations is that Penrith can wait for 2 years. We can't. I just want him gone.

Then that will be Gus' 10 year plan!!!!!

You want him gone, so what. Some people may want him to stay.

He has a contract for the next two years. I personally think that he will fulfill that contract.

Let's all settle down and see what happens.

 

[innsaneink]

yeah…settle down every body

 

[The_Patriot]

Hopefully something a little more official this week. Our players deserve better than this.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

I haven't seen anything from a club official yet and am surprised how much traction this has with the media with no sources. I assume if its true Gus is getting the media to put the pressure on our club.

One thing I have wondered about during all this is the amount of times Gus has said when the truth comes out people will apologize. I wouldnt trust Gus as far as I could throw him.

 

[Roar_Power]

I haven't seen anything from a club official yet and am surprised how much traction this has with the media with no sources. I assume if its true Gus is getting the media to put the pressure on our club.

One thing I have wondered about during all this is the amount of times Gus has said when the truth comes out people will apologize. I wouldnt trust Gus as far as I could throw him.

There's no picking Gus up mate.

 

[Masterton]

We can’t have Madge ‘locked down’ CB as that implies he’s signed a contract. Cleary is legally our coach until 2020.

Well, Manly just signed Hasler without Barrett leaving. What's the difference?

 

[avocadoontoast]

We must surely have leverage because no club signs a coach 2 years in advance. Has it ever happened in the history of rugby league? 1 season yes, but that is for top-field coaches, not 50% guys like Ivan.

So if Penrith don't care if they get Cleary now or later, why all the hullabaloo? Why sack the coach who got them to the finals? If they don't care about Ivan then don't sign him at all, sign up Ciraldo for the next 3 seasons.

Tigers are doing the right thing here. If you hand over Ivan and ask for nothing in return, you get nothing in return. If you demand something, you might not get $500K but you will likely negotiate something.

I think the only reason they went after Ivan in the first place was to secure Nathan. There are a lot of coaches out there better than Ivan they could have pursued just as hard. Do the Panthers have a better chance of winning the premiership with Ivan there over Ciraldo? I'm not so sure.

The difference in the situations is that Penrith can wait for 2 years. We can't. I just want him gone.

Then that will be Gus' 10 year plan!!!!!

He has a contract for the next two years. I personally think that he will fulfill that contract.

Cool, thanks Col. Maybe you should call Pascoe and tell him to stop interviewing replacements then?

 

[Tigerdon]

I haven't seen anything from a club official yet and am surprised how much traction this has with the media with no sources. I assume if its true Gus is getting the media to put the pressure on our club.

One thing I have wondered about during all this is the amount of times Gus has said when the truth comes out people will apologize. I wouldnt trust Gus as far as I could throw him.

Apologise about what?

 

[newtiger]

We can’t have Madge ‘locked down’ CB as that implies he’s signed a contract. Cleary is legally our coach until 2020.

Well, Manly just signed Hasler without Barrett leaving. What's the difference?

Barrett had handed in his notice, therefore forfeiting any claim to being the Head coach.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Glad Manly signed Des thats one we don't have to worry about.

 

[Tigerdon]

I still think we should hold Ivan in a basement deep in the bowels of Concord for the next two years.