2019 Coaching saga -Thread

[Masterton]

The Stuart/Maguire/Hasler style coaches rely on anger/temper and gesticulation. To me, the shouting and anger may work initially but eventually it loses impact as we've seen at Souths with Maguire.

Seems to still be working for Bellamy.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

The Stuart/Maguire/Hasler style coaches rely on anger/temper and gesticulation. To me, the shouting and anger may work initially but eventually it loses impact as we've seen at Souths with Maguire.

Seems to still be working for Bellamy.

Maguire is no Bellamy.

 

[tigerap]

Can these people hurry up and choose a coach so I can pick a new username I’m sick of this guys name already. Hurry up for gods sake!

:roll :roll

 

[vlad]

The Stuart/Maguire/Hasler style coaches rely on anger/temper and gesticulation. To me, the shouting and anger may work initially but eventually it loses impact as we've seen at Souths with Maguire.

Seems to still be working for Bellamy.

Maguire is no Bellamy.

But he might be a Sheens

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

TPJ rumoured to be signing only one year with broncos

Maybe Bennett using him as a bargaining tool in negotiations with tiger's

You keep IC for 1 year and I will bring TPJ with me in 2020 as i just want 1 last year with broncos

Bennett is needed at our club. Maguire would be a disaster.

Paws I'm interested in your reasoning here, I agree Unca would be better but I'd say Maguire>Cleary.

Sorry if you've explained it already

Cleary brought excellent communication skills to the club. Despite what is happening, he cannot be accused of not being a polished performer in both dealings with players or the media. He was an asset to our club and most of all, our players like him and play for him.,

The Stuart/Maguire/Hasler style coaches rely on anger/temper and gesticulation. To me, the shouting and anger may work initially but eventually it loses impact as we've seen at Souths with Maguire. We also witnessed Maguire having no Plan B if Plan A didn't work. I'd like to believe we've outgrown this type of coach who will set us back years,
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Bennett has longevity in the NRL, is a polished performer despite what many believe (I think he actively cultivates this image and Lockyer etc are happy to play up to it) and we know the players like him very much, He will attract $ and players. We need him at the club and should do everything possible to get him here asap,

Yeah great communication. I intend to see out my contract.

 

[jirskyr]

It's no different to our club/fans not wanting Ivan around now we know he has eyes for another team.

I agree with most of what you said, except I don't think Wayne is so affected by signing a new contract w another club.

Bennett has massive currency at Broncos and Broncos themselves have decided to move him on. I can't see the fans turning on Bennett or suggesting his "heart is not in it" if he wants to extend his career.

The supporters would also expect Bennett was doing his best for 2019, under the conditions the club set for him.

That being said I also think the fans would let Bennett go early, but it would be subject to the new coach decision and Bennett not taking hakf their team with him.

 

[vlad]

It's no different to our club/fans not wanting Ivan around now we know he has eyes for another team.

I agree with most of what you said, except I don't think Wayne is so affected by signing a new contract w another club.

Bennett has massive currency at Broncos and Broncos themselves have decided to move him on. I can't see the fans turning on Bennett or suggesting his "heart is not in it" if he wants to extend his career.

The supporters would also expect Bennett was doing his best for 2019, under the conditions the club set for him.

That being said I also think the fans would let Bennett go early, but it would be subject to the new coach decision and Bennett not taking hakf their team with him.

The Bennett situation probably revolves around what Seibold does .

If Seibold commits to Broncos in 2020 the dominoes might start falling . Although that would bring Souths onto the market for Bennett .

 

[weststigers]

Although Maguire is the younger coach, I actually prefer Bennett as an option.

It's hard to see Bennett coaching after his next appointment, so I'd be comfortable he wasn't going to jump ship and use us as a stepping stone.

 

[coivtny]

Don't think the options are trimming down as time drags down. There just seem to be so many possible permutations it's hard to know which way it'll go. The one that I think is more likely than others (but only just) is we sign Bennett from 2020\. That leaves us needing a coach for 2019 but who? As much as I think Cleary is 'on the nose' at WT, I think we are likely to keep him for one year and then set him adrift. That will bring its own set of problems such as fan distemper with Cleary but it will be well nigh impossible to sign a quality coach for one year and, as much as I like Hodgson as a player and club legend, I can't see him stepping up to coach at NRL level even for one year.
So for me it's Cleary in 2019 and then it's goodbye and good riddance and then it's Bennett from 2020.

 

[gallagher]

At least it seems like it will be one or the other.
It's usually slim pickings.

 

[TYGA]

Bennett is the superior coach there is no question. He could turn us into a powerhouse in 4 years we already have the highest TV numbers, crowds of all Sydney teams. Sponsorship dollars would sky rocket and be the time he moves on we would have the COE and hopefully a perennial top 4 team.

Maguire is a safer long term option and could be a coach for 10 years. I think waiting a year for Wayne is a deal breaker he will be 70 by 2020\. It’s a big risk worth taking right now but he comes with red flags both media relationship and the short term win strategy he used in Newcastle.

Maguires drawback is he is notorious for over training players. Either is. Big upgrade I would be happy either way but I prefer Wayne. I think he’s the funniest coach in the game classic manager of the media.

 

[851]

Bennett is needed at our club. Maguire would be a disaster.

Paws I'm interested in your reasoning here, I agree Unca would be better but I'd say Maguire>Cleary.

Sorry if you've explained it already

Cleary brought excellent communication skills to the club. Despite what is happening, he cannot be accused of not being a polished performer in both dealings with players or the media. He was an asset to our club and most of all, our players like him and play for him.,

The Stuart/Maguire/Hasler style coaches rely on anger/temper and gesticulation. To me, the shouting and anger may work initially but eventually it loses impact as we've seen at Souths with Maguire. We also witnessed Maguire having no Plan B if Plan A didn't work. I'd like to believe we've outgrown this type of coach who will set us back years,
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Bennett has longevity in the NRL, is a polished performer despite what many believe (I think he actively cultivates this image and Lockyer etc are happy to play up to it) and we know the players like him very much, He will attract $ and players. We need him at the club and should do everything possible to get him here asap,

Yeah great communication. I intend to see out my contract.

Well played, funny and true

 

[coivtny]

Bennett is the superior coach there is no question. He could turn us into a powerhouse in 4 years we already have the highest TV numbers, crowds of all Sydney teams. Sponsorship dollars would sky rocket and be the time he moves on we would have the COE and hopefully a perennial top 4 team.

Maguire is a safer long term option and could be a coach for 10 years. I think waiting a year for Wayne is a deal breaker he will be 70 by 2020\. It’s a big risk worth taking right now but he comes with red flags both media relationship and the short term win strategy he used in Newcastle.

Maguires drawback is he is notorious for over training players. Either is. Big upgrade I would be happy either way but I prefer Wayne. I think he’s the funniest coach in the game classic manager of the media.

Agree on the media handling bit about Bennett. I've never seen a sporting identity in Australia who so consistently treats the media as the drongos they are and gets away with it. Sometimes he comes across as a bit of a drongo himself but mostly not.

 

[Tcat]

It's no different to our club/fans not wanting Ivan around now we know he has eyes for another team.

I agree with most of what you said, except I don't think Wayne is so affected by signing a new contract w another club.

Bennett has massive currency at Broncos and Broncos themselves have decided to move him on. I can't see the fans turning on Bennett or suggesting his "heart is not in it" if he wants to extend his career.

The supporters would also expect Bennett was doing his best for 2019, under the conditions the club set for him.

That being said I also think the fans would let Bennett go early, but it would be subject to the new coach decision and Bennett not taking hakf their team with him.

The Bennett situation probably revolves around what Seibold does .

If Seibold commits to Broncos in 2020 the dominoes might start falling . Although that would bring Souths onto the market for Bennett .

There's a lot of talk about what Seibold does, which surprises me a bit. The bunnies had a great year, but what if they slump next year. If they have an average year, Seibold wont be considered so highly.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Don't jump the gun too quickly on this one. Bennett is the preferred option and what is being reported isn't always true - we've seen enough nonsense printed by journos to know better.

Agree Willow, Bennett wants to coach past 2019, we are offering him a chance, that chance might not be there if we sign Madge for 2019\. It looks like Pascoe is playing this well, and Bennett might have to come for 2019, or risk not having a job to go to in 2020

Let's clear up the Pangai situation. He is quoted here

https://twitter.com/tennewsqld/status/1049627992186482688

No contract for 2019.

I think Pascoe would be crazy to try and pressure Bennett into coming earlier. You take him when you can get him. I also think announcing Wayne signing for 2020 increases the likelihood that Broncos release him straight away. It's no different to our club/fans not wanting Ivan around now we know he has eyes for another team.

Bennett is a game changer for WT. Maguire is not. Bennett brings sponsors, he brings players, he changes the whole fabric of the club as soon as he walks through the door. It is surely worth waiting until 2020 for him. We don't need a new coach "now" as some seem to be saying. Cleary has a contract and in a way it would be good to see him have to lead us through 2019\. The squad we have now is all his doing.

If I was Pascoe I would:
a) sign Bennett from 2020
b) Before the ink dries on that contract I'd get straight on the phone to Gus Gould and tell him "we're holding Ivan until next summer. If you want him earlier you get us Wayne straight away."

I can't find the article but I am sure I have read Bennett quoted as saying "The only way I won't be at the Broncos in 2019 is if they sack me." By that he is saying "I'm going to sign elsewhere for 2020, if you want to punt me before then that is your call."

No, if he asks for a release he blows his Mill+ for 2019 from the Donkeys.

If they sack him, they have to pay him out. Then he is free for another Mill+ from the Tigers. Win Win for Unca Wayne..
**Can't see him leaving early though. We need to have a fill in coach (obvious one is Cleary) if Unca is coming here.\
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If not it looks like Madge would be the choice unfortunately. Would prefer Neil Henry to him any day myself.

What do you think about my idea in the post above Russell? I think it could be arranged, so we can release Cleary (if he doesn't want to be here) and not miss out on Bennett when he's contract is up. The kicker is that Madge WANTS to coach the Broncos and I'd be happy for him to bide his time here for a season if it meant all the hoo ha around Cleary finally ceased and we could sign some damn players!

 

[TYGA]

Bennett is the superior coach there is no question. He could turn us into a powerhouse in 4 years we already have the highest TV numbers, crowds of all Sydney teams. Sponsorship dollars would sky rocket and be the time he moves on we would have the COE and hopefully a perennial top 4 team.

Maguire is a safer long term option and could be a coach for 10 years. I think waiting a year for Wayne is a deal breaker he will be 70 by 2020\. It’s a big risk worth taking right now but he comes with red flags both media relationship and the short term win strategy he used in Newcastle.

Maguires drawback is he is notorious for over training players. Either is. Big upgrade I would be happy either way but I prefer Wayne. I think he’s the funniest coach in the game classic manager of the media.

Agree on the media handling bit about Bennett. I've never seen a sporting identity in Australia who so consistently treats the media as the drongos they are and gets away with it. Sometimes he comes across as a bit of a drongo himself but mostly not.

What’s even funnier is Wayne nodding off after addressing the team after night games.
He’s a legend of a bloke does a lot of work with charities and sponsors. I’d be surprised if the Tigers don’t do everything they can to entice him out next year.

You can make the case for Madge NZ coach, premiership winner NRL and ESL 44 years old, Canberra Connection ala Sheens, family man lives in Maroubra, loved by players, worked for the NRL head office. Madge is a better fit with our management.

 

[Joel Helmes]

What about Andrew Webster as an interim coach for 19?

 

[Black_amp_Gold_69]

Gus Goulding the magician gets what he wants at the expense of the "Simple West Tigers"
He orchestrated this one very well "The Mafia Boss Of NRL"
One question What do the West Tigers GET???????????
Can anyone answer this mysterious dilemma :deadhorse:

:sign:

 

[coivtny]

What about Andrew Webster as an interim coach for 19?

I just don't know about this bloke. From memory, he coached NRL for a short time between Taylor and Cleary. I met him at Wests Ashfield around that time and spoke to him for a few minutes and wasn't very impressed, but those type of meetings are probably not good for gauging someone's worth. To be honest I was surprised Wests kept him on after Cleary signed on because he's a Moses' client and I thought Cleary would want his own people around him.

 

[diedpretty]

Don't think the options are trimming down as time drags down. There just seem to be so many possible permutations it's hard to know which way it'll go. The one that I think is more likely than others (but only just) is we sign Bennett from 2020\. That leaves us needing a coach for 2019 but who? As much as I think Cleary is 'on the nose' at WT, I think we are likely to keep him for one year and then set him adrift. That will bring its own set of problems such as fan distemper with Cleary but it will be well nigh impossible to sign a quality coach for one year and, as much as I like Hodgson as a player and club legend, I can't see him stepping up to coach at NRL level even for one year.
So for me it's Cleary in 2019 and then it's goodbye and good riddance and then it's Bennett from 2020.

If that scenario plays out any recruitment decisions have to be taken out of Clearys hands. Recruitment manager could run possible signings/retentions by Wayne during 2019\. Could work ok as players will know who the coach is in 2020\. It would be nice to know who is off contract end of 2019 that we can start negotiating with in November.