7 years ago today

[tiga4eva]

On this day in 2005, we became NRL Premiers, as I left ANZ Stadium that night, I thought how great the next 5-10 years would be with youngsters like Marshall, Farah, Halatau Gibbs and Fulton. I imagined in that time that it would be fair to assume I'd see another 1 or 2 titles in that time. Other than Prince leaving and Marshalls injury plagued 06 07 seasons. How didn't we capitalize on that success.
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[happy_tiger]

Different rules since 2005

Tigers lost the hunger

Bad recruitment

No halfback since 06

Defensively inadequate , no specialist defensive coach bar Folkes (If someone says Royce or Georgallis )

I can understand that until 2007 we would take some time adjusting our playing roster to suit the new rules in regards to dominance in the play the ball ,wrestle etc but we still are one of the worst clubs , our strength (If we had one ) was defensive line speed , but we threw that out once Gibbs was gone

2013 will be interesting , we haven't signed any players that will be helpful defensively , looks like we will try and win games 38-36 ,why is it this club always tries to take the easy option instead of signing some tough no nonsense blokes that will bolster us defensively

Mr Sheens you have a lot to answer for in my opinion

 

[cusschops]

We lost a lot of players with real heart like Mark Oneil, Scotty Prince, Ben Galea, Brett Hodgson, etc.
We also became over confident and cocky!
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[WSTigers]

• Rules changed
• The game has changed dramatically since 2005 with speed and grunt being the key factors of the present
• Using the same recipe year in after year
• No halfback
• Working out our forwards to be 80 minute players - forwards have to come on and make an impact in a series of bursts and minutes
• Laying around in a comfort zone - same tactics, same this and that
• Not playing conservative - razzle dazzle was used a fair bit or even all the time - the back end of 2011 we had a great mix of both attack and defence.
• Being soft in the sense that none of our players were rough and tough

Overall a change had to occur as I saw the Wests Tigers be a club which is stuck year in, year out. Times have changed and if you are not part of those changes you deserve to suffer!
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[tiga4eva]

My two major reasons were 1\. Inability to adapt to the wrestle and 2\. No recruitment of hard nosed players who whether they're playing Bulldogs on a Friday night in front of 30,000 or Panthers at 5:30 on a Saturday in front of 7,000, you know they're gonna be up for a contest.
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[TigersFan4Life]

Here is one thing that might bring some optimism, though…

2004: Bulldogs were champions
2012: Bulldogs made the grand final

2005: Tigers were champions
2013: ???

 

[Rambo2714]

Biggest factor is change Of Rules , in particular introduction of the " surrender tackle "

Wests won the 2005 comp by running to the line , then dropping , playing the ball quickly and then playing touch footy once we have a roll on
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[tigermaniac]

1\. Champion players became show ponys
2\. Poor/wrong recruitment
3\. Rule changes
4\. Players desire
5\. Players believed in the media and their own crap, that they where it
6\. Everything revolving around Benji
7\. No halfback
8\. We went from footballers to celebrities
9\. No mongrel
10\. You have to earn it
11\. You have to tackle
12\. Paid to much
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[softlaw]

tiga4eva - that original post is oh so true. How good was that time! How good did things look for the 'next ManU'! How bad has our time since been.

I disagree with everyone blaming external things like the changes of rules etc. etc.
What caused us to become uncompetitive was not those changes but our (read, our coach's) complete inability to see the need to adapt to those changes. Failure through arrogance.

& yes, our lack of any attempt to become a tough side. Aggression appeared to be actively coached out of our players and mental toughness is apparently viewed as something that we gain on the back of fancy flick passes.

 

[Wacko_Jacko]

I was there in 05', made up for the pain of 89'

 

[LaT]

GFs are extremely hard to win.

 

[TIGERS]

Ok well… misery loves company. Bulldogs win it in 2004... howd they go the next year?? What about Parra in 2001 & 2009?? How did the Penrith team that won it in 2003 wind up? Couple of decent seasons afterwards and then back to being very average. The only team to have lasting dynasty lately has been the Storm and to a much lesser extent Manly. The rest have blown hot and cold year in year out.

We won in 2005, we had our turn. Im greatful for the experience, (i was 19 and had been supporting wests since I was a kid). Our premiership was very special...

I think my biggest gripe about Sheens was that he never really seemed to care about winning a minor premiership. He was often dismissive about it and his coaching style reflected that. We've never topped the NRL Ladder with him at the club. I'm over the club having to come home with a wet sail every season to do anything. Its like our formula... Indifferent start...a few losses... a bit of soul seaching...we win some games around origin time.. then we all pull together for the attempted big finish at the end of the year.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Biggest factor is change Of Rules , in particular introduction of the " surrender tackle "
Wests won the 2005 comp by running to the line , then dropping , playing the ball quickly and then playing touch footy once we have a roll on
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No fullback after Hodgo left.

Ambiguous rules about markers, e.g Farah & others exploited this rule to perfection.

In the past seasons, if Galloway was out our forward pack could not make any meters.

Over reliance on Marshall & Farah, especially Marshall, if Marshall could not win us a game, we were clueless :frowning:
With culture 'leave it to Benji and Robbie, the rest of us are just here to observe' it was a big success how these two champions carried us through a number of seasons :frowning:
Of course if Benji or Robbie are injured or not at their brilliant best, we have a season like 2012 :frowning:

 

[TIGERS]

Biggest factor is change Of Rules , in particular introduction of the " surrender tackle "

Wests won the 2005 comp by running to the line , then dropping , playing the ball quickly and then playing touch footy once we have a roll on
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No. You're wrong.

Wests found success in 2005 because they bucked the trend of teams playing very flat and depending on quick advantage line play from big forwards. Everyone was expecting us to hit it up out of our own half as was the norm back then. We used Galea and Fulton as mobile ball playing back rowers as opposed to just having 2 hard men just to make big tackles. We'd push it wide within our own 20 with opposing teams rushing up on us, benji and hodgo would tear them to shreads. We also had Pat Richards' boot from kickoffs. We always got repeat sets. We scrapped the red zone. We used set plays from scrums. We'd kick on the 3rd if we had to. We brought dummy half running back from the dead. We alternated between a sliding defence and a rushing defence at different times in a game.

it was brilliant.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

GFs are extremely hard to win.

not for belly ache
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[LaT]

GFs are extremely hard to win.

not for belly ache
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Last I checked he had just 1 premiership in the bank.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

ok
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[innsaneink]

Biggest factor is change Of Rules , in particular introduction of the " surrender tackle "

Wests won the 2005 comp by running to the line , then dropping , playing the ball quickly and then playing touch footy once we have a roll on
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No. You're wrong.

Wests found success in 2005 because they bucked the trend of teams playing very flat and depending on quick advantage line play from big forwards. Everyone was expecting us to hit it up out of our own half as was the norm back then. We used Galea and Fulton as mobile ball playing back rowers as opposed to just having 2 hard men just to make big tackles. We'd push it wide within our own 20 with opposing teams rushing up on us, benji and hodgo would tear them to shreads. We also had Pat Richards' boot from kickoffs. We always got repeat sets. We scrapped the red zone. We used set plays from scrums. We'd kick on the 3rd if we had to. **We brought dummy half running back from the dead.** We alternated between a sliding defence and a rushing defence at different times in a game.

it was brilliant.

Which is what Rambo said, and imo the main reason for our success….its where all the other points you mention started from....quick ptb's

 

[LaT]

We also scrambled very well in 2005\. I think we averaged about 12 points per game against us in the last half of the season.

 

[tigersrule4life]

We will start fresh next year new coach and hopfully new staff. And will hopfully make the 8 and recruit big signings for 2014.