A crucial period for Madge...

[happy_tiger]

We as forum members have loaded crap on many sides below us

Well looking at the table , we are one win better off than the Saints and Titans and two wins better off than the Cows and Brisbane

We are equal on the table with the Warriors who have no home games and have spent the last 11 weeks from their loved ones

What's that saying about rocks and glasshouses ......

Our own backyard is as bad as anyone's ......

 

[JC99]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

 

[cochise]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

 

[Tigers_Tale]

Everyone should keep faith with Madge, he has had to cleanup the mess made by previous coaches, just think of all the players we lost over last 4-5 years, and these players we lost are now playing significant roles in other teams. Just think how much stronger out team would be with just a few of the players we lost. Also, how they could of assisted the development of our current young players. Then the over payment of players for long terms. Which again may of not been required, if we held on to the players we had. Madge has been able assemble some great young talent coming through, give these players some time. This is a particular hard year to judge a team, especially with lower grades not playing. We definitely need some stability in the coaching, i just hope they extend Madge's tenure.

 

[JC99]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

Maybe the forum is getting to me ? if we win again I’ll feel better

 

[hodgo]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

Maybe the forum is getting to me ? if we win again I’ll feel better

Stay strong bro. To many blokes looking for whats wrong instead of focusing on the positive dont leave me to join them

 

[Tim Sheens]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

Reality is settling into place.

 

[WT2K]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

Josh is one of us now ?

 

[cochise]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

Josh is one of us now ?

Turned him to the darkside 😛

 

[JC99]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

Maybe the forum is getting to me ? if we win again I’ll feel better

Stay strong bro. To many blokes looking for whats wrong instead of focusing on the positive dont leave me to join them

Don’t worry I’ll keep fighting the good fight ? if we beat the bulldogs next week that meant we are back on track and everything is good in the world ?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

Maybe the forum is getting to me ? if we win again I’ll feel better

Stay strong bro. To many blokes looking for whats wrong instead of focusing on the positive dont leave me to join them

Don’t worry I’ll keep fighting the good fight ? if we beat the bulldogs next week that meant we are back on track and everything is good in the world ?

Don't worry, after the flop of this past two weeks, half the forum will flip back to the "in Madge I trust" mantra and want to extend him for a decade on the back of a win.

 

[jirskyr]

Giving as much time as we can to Liddle…finding out what Madden offers now…dropping those senior players now and shifting the leadership roles to younger guys in the team…give them a month and a half of accountability and tell them its their team. These are all things that will need to be done at some point…why not now?

Because this isn't the NBA, you throw in kids before they are ready and it can have negative impact on their career long-term. Physical as much as anything.

Liddle is a prime example, not to say he wasn't ready to debut, but he hasn't been able to stay fit and on the field. You might put young Madden on there too soon and he gets hurt or we get mauled in a few games and it only serves to set his preparation back.

 

[cochise]

Been thinking about this ...I don't know if it is...Our own fans have already laid out the excuses ...not his roster ..we suck no one would do any better ..looks like 2021 is a write off before a ball is kicked as those same contacts holding us back are still in play..so why would we go any better..

The fact too that the media speak after the rumoured link to the Cowgirls both from Madge and the club via the chairman shows a commitment on the face of it..

So it's not really a crucial period at all..free pass til 2022 then probably 2025 cause by then he should have his team no dud contracts no dud signings no plodders no nuffies ..no reason not to be un defeated Minor Premiers and eventual Premiers for 11 consecutive years after that..

So you’re saying there’s no real current pressure to perform - there are excuses we all accept. I reckon there’s a trust in Madge (almost desperate) that he will enforce the standards that will bring success. I don’t think the club knows what success looks like but is trying to bring in people who do - Madge, Hartigan.
I listened to Nathan brown last week. He really spoke sense. He said at the end of the day, no matter what systems, coach, playing style you’ve got, you need the roster. Therefore roster management is the most important thing. Rings true to me.

Yes there is no pressure to perform in the short term..we just have to continue to live with that...

2019 not his roster
2020 not his roster
2021 not his roster
2022 His roster but they need time to gel
2023 refs are killing us
2024 start from 2019 again, repeat.

Nah, knowing our club halfway through next season he leaves or gets booted. New coach comes in, says all the same stuff, 2 years later gets booted. Wash rinse repeat for the rest of eternity or until we get moved to Perth

Mate your posts have become a lot more negative than usual in the last few hours, you are starting to sound like me.

Maybe the forum is getting to me ? if we win again I’ll feel better

Stay strong bro. To many blokes looking for whats wrong instead of focusing on the positive dont leave me to join them

Don’t worry I’ll keep fighting the good fight ? if we beat the bulldogs next week that meant we are back on track and everything is good in the world ?

Good to hear mate, if we agreed this place would be boring. I enjoy your posts.

 

[jirskyr]

Reality is we have beaten no one above us

Sharks

They were below us when we won

Ooh getting technical. I think you are just asking for me to go back and look for other examples. Were Dragons technically above us in Rd 1 because they start with D.

No need to be narky cause you’ve been found out !
I’m just stating facts !

Well actually the original quote was "Reality is we have beaten no one above us". There isn't a timestamp.

But we'll go your way then - we beat Cowboys Rd 6 and they were 1 spot above us at that time (8th vs 9th).

 

[jirskyr]

He can’t coach

His two premierships disagree

Anyone could of won with that Souths team then players turned on him which our players are now doing train hard play half asleep

The Souths team that he built? Yeah he won a premiership with them. Also won a premiership in Wigan their first in decades. He knows how to make a premiership winning team unfortunately it’s a lot harder and slower a process here than at other clubs

He did a great job at Souths but I’m not sure he built them. Burgess and Inglis we’re already there. Nice base to start from.

Souths were nearly there when he arrived. They just needed a push.

What rubbish. Souths haven't won squat before or after Madge.

Souths failed to make the 8 under Madges final 2 seasons with them .
GNR is correct

I don't get it.

Quote was that Souths were "nearly there" when Madge arrived. I said that Souths haven't won anything before or since Madge was coach.

In the 4 seasons prior to Madge Souths finished 14th, 10th, 9th, 10th (2008-2011); two years with JT and two with Johnny Lang. Madge began in 2012, first year with him they finished 3rd. Following 3 years they made the finals including the 2014 premiership. Last two years 12th.

Before Madge Souths made the finals once since 1989 (JT in 2007). That's a Tiger-esque run of failure to play finals football. Since Madge became head coach they've only missed the finals twice in 8 seasons.

So if you have a club that makes the finals once in their first 10 years of the NRL era, wins 3 wooden spoons, then a new coach gets them to four consecutive finals in his first 4 years, including a premiership, I think that's a pretty straightforward argument to tell you what an impact he had at that club. You can point at the roster or whatever, but if a coach is responsible for the performances, that includes wins and losses. And if someone is arguing that the reason Madge was successful with Souths was because they already had a decent roster, again that argument fits for Tigers, because we don't have much of a roster, and I'd be keen to see what Madge could do with a better set of players.

The fact that Souths now feature regularly in finals football still reflects well on the coach that first made them a premiership threat. And not a Souths fan alive that doesn't respect and love what Madge achieved for the club.

 

[jirskyr]

I recall the Dogs having a halves issue and Dessie had the forwards ball play through James Graham to great success (Grand Finalists). He had a problem and adapted.

Not the world's greatest example, Des being sacked within a few years and soundly blamed (rightly or not) for the spending quagmire the Dogs found themselves in, and haven't recovered from since.

 

[gallagher]

Bloke speaks with the passion we continually ask for and he gets slammed for being arrogant. Seriously?

I like him, I think his appointment was a great step forward. But I want to see change now, or at least a statement on where we are headed and what's happening to change things. I want to hear the plan.

 

[larry2005]

We still need bigger bodies.....its gonna take time

 

[bigsiro]

He can’t coach

His two premierships disagree

Anyone could of won with that Souths team then players turned on him which our players are now doing train hard play half asleep

The Souths team that he built? Yeah he won a premiership with them. Also won a premiership in Wigan their first in decades. He knows how to make a premiership winning team unfortunately it’s a lot harder and slower a process here than at other clubs

He did a great job at Souths but I’m not sure he built them. Burgess and Inglis we’re already there. Nice base to start from.

Souths were nearly there when he arrived. They just needed a push.

What rubbish. Souths haven't won squat before or after Madge.

Souths failed to make the 8 under Madges final 2 seasons with them .
GNR is correct

I don't get it.

Quote was that Souths were "nearly there" when Madge arrived. I said that Souths haven't won anything before or since Madge was coach.

In the 4 seasons prior to Madge Souths finished 14th, 10th, 9th, 10th (2008-2011); two years with JT and two with Johnny Lang. Madge began in 2012, first year with him they finished 3rd. Following 3 years they made the finals including the 2014 premiership. Last two years 12th.

Before Madge Souths made the finals once since 1989 (JT in 2007). That's a Tiger-esque run of failure to play finals football. Since Madge became head coach they've only missed the finals twice in 8 seasons.

So if you have a club that makes the finals once in their first 10 years of the NRL era, wins 3 wooden spoons, then a new coach gets them to four consecutive finals in his first 4 years, including a premiership, I think that's a pretty straightforward argument to tell you what an impact he had at that club. You can point at the roster or whatever, but if a coach is responsible for the performances, that includes wins and losses. And if someone is arguing that the reason Madge was successful with Souths was because they already had a decent roster, again that argument fits for Tigers, because we don't have much of a roster, and I'd be keen to see what Madge could do with a better set of players.

The fact that Souths now feature regularly in finals football still reflects well on the coach that first made them a premiership threat. And not a Souths fan alive that doesn't respect and love what Madge achieved for the club.

Could not agree more.
"a crucial period for Madge" is a load of crap. It ain't.
Like @Geo said there is no pressure on Madge (at least not for now...)

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I have never heard or read Lee speak without him mentioning that he’s the chairman of the club. He’s not a very modest man 😂

He seemed to enjoy making himself front and centre of the LM negotiations last year.