OFFICIAL Adam Doueihi #227

Coach has a talented group ,young by a lot of standards
Its up to them to waste it, taste it. Mr. Churchill can finish that
 
Merlot said:
Coach has a talented group ,young by a lot of standards
Its up to them to waste it, taste it. Mr. Churchill can finish that
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Talent is one thing but mental toughness is what many players have lacked. A dominant 7 can cover for this but we haven’t had either over the years
 
I’m far from convinced about AD at 7. A few games at end of the season is one thing. Starting from round 1 and going an entire season is another.
 
Jolls said:
This is why we need a hybrid 7/13 as opposed to trying to change his natural talents in the short term. Let him develop naturally and move him as required. No need to stifle his development by shoehorning into the conventional 7 position. Put the 7 on his back but develop our play around the assets we have - imagine how dangerous our attack could be if we didn't try to play the way other teams do but play wohat works for us.
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I'm with you. Douehi at 13, ball-playing out to two very dangerous halves on either side and also giving us a booming kick when we need it. If they get the combinations right, it makes total sense, and as you said, Latu should naturally develop there with more time in the position (fingers crossed he can stay on the field).
 
Jolls said:
This is why we need a hybrid 7/13 as opposed to trying to change his natural talents in the short term. Let him develop naturally and move him as required. No need to stifle his development by shoehorning into the conventional 7 position. Put the 7 on his back but develop our play around the assets we have - imagine how dangerous our attack could be if we didn't try to play the way other teams do but play wohat works for us.
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Have zero issue us making and forming our own style but at some point someone needs to run the team & direct players to setup positions.

Our lack of structure and organization killed us last year and was a big reason we lost the close / low scoring games.

I don’t like AD at lock, I actually think that will cramp him and his effectiveness will be alot less compared to running wider on the right side.

Latu could eventually become a different style of 13 given his nugget frame, speed /zip, short ball play and defensive traits but he needs time and he also needs to get alot of games in a row under his belt. Latu running in the 30-30 zone would be more effective than AD would be.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Have zero issue us making and forming our own style but at some point someone needs to run the team & direct players to setup positions.

Our lack of structure and organization killed us last year and was a big reason we lost the close / low scoring games.

I don’t like AD at lock, I actually think that will cramp him and his effectiveness will be alot less compared to running wider on the right side.

Latu could eventually become a different style of 13 given his nugget frame, speed /zip, short ball play and defensive traits but he needs time and he also needs to get alot of games in a row under his belt. Latu running in the 30-30 zone would be more effective than AD would be.
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Our disorganisation was on show in our last game. Up 28 - 12 at the break, one team came out fired up with a tactical response, while we floundered and consequently lost the 2nd half 0 - 28.
Surely we must have known they would spread to the left at every opportunity.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Have zero issue us making and forming our own style but at some point someone needs to run the team & direct players to setup positions.

Our lack of structure and organization killed us last year and was a big reason we lost the close / low scoring games.

I don’t like AD at lock, I actually think that will cramp him and his effectiveness will be alot less compared to running wider on the right side.

Latu could eventually become a different style of 13 given his nugget frame, speed /zip, short ball play and defensive traits but he needs time and he also needs to get alot of games in a row under his belt. Latu running in the 30-30 zone would be more effective than AD would be.
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With what we have ot our disposal I think Benji needs to throw out the convention of the conventional 13 and 7, For us I think they are just numbers if our goal is to run a combination of Luai, AD and Latu. for this to wrok we need to develop a system that works for us; similar to the way Conulla developed it with Wade Graham.

I totally agree with you about our lack of structure but with the players we have I don't think we need to overcomplicate it. Latu would benefit from a bit more structre and Luai from a little less. What we require structure wise is players on their edges running lines that work for thir play maker so thay can be hit as required. It gives our playmakers options. Sure we can incorporate block plays etc, but not too much as it stifles natural playmakers.

Who drives the boat? That's where our problem lies; if AD is the leader he says he is - time to step up and show his football IQ. To me he needs significant development - he can play, and play well, in bursts; but he is a lazy player on both sides of the ball at times. If he wants to be in the halves mix he needs to step up in a big way - not just one or two games or in patches during games.

Benji has a lot to do over this off season to get us firing. He has made the decision not to recruit a specialist 13 so let's see what he makes of what we have. How this flows down into the lower grades is another big question mark that needs to be addressed at some point.
 
Jolls said:
With what we have ot our disposal I think Benji needs to throw out the convention of the conventional 13 and 7, For us I think they are just numbers if our goal is to run a combination of Luai, AD and Latu. for this to wrok we need to develop a system that works for us; similar to the way Conulla developed it with Wade Graham.

I totally agree with you about our lack of structure but with the players we have I don't think we need to overcomplicate it. Latu would benefit from a bit more structre and Luai from a little less. What we require structure wise is players on their edges running lines that work for thir play maker so thay can be hit as required. It gives our playmakers options. Sure we can incorporate block plays etc, but not too much as it stifles natural playmakers.

Who drives the boat? That's where our problem lies; if AD is the leader he says he is - time to step up and show his football IQ. To me he needs significant development - he can play, and play well, in bursts; but he is a lazy player on both sides of the ball at times. If he wants to be in the halves mix he needs to step up in a big way - not just one or two games or in patches during games.

Benji has a lot to do over this off season to get us firing. He has made the decision not to recruit a specialist 13 so let's see what he makes of what we have. How this flows down into the lower grades is another big question mark that needs to be addressed at some point.
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Keeping the roles simple but the location & commitment of the roles is 100% key.

Fundamentals are also important.

The challenge I have with our formation is the impact defensively. Because we don’t practice the setup and formations it then means we can’t defend it, as defensively we don’t train for it. It drives over commitment & over playing an individual hand.

The amount of times players over clock defensively or in attack forming congestion or looking lost that leads to opposition scoring / line break / easy field position was high - could pick it multiple times in most games. It impacts the scoreboard or even field positioning & workload.

Rugby League is actually a very simple game majority of time. We can do something different but we need to respect the fundamentals as well in doing so.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
I’m far from convinced about AD at 7. A few games at end of the season is one thing. Starting from round 1 and going an entire season is another.
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I remember the game against parramatta last year at combank, AD was ordinary at 7 that day, slow and bereft of ideas.
I fear if he is steering the ship at 7 we will be in trouble.
However we need him goalkicking and hopefully he can become a hybrid type of 13 role in the middle and let latu play a bit wider
 
twentyforty said:
Our disorganisation was on show in our last game. Up 28 - 12 at the break, one team came out fired up with a tactical response, while we floundered and consequently lost the 2nd half 0 - 28.
Surely we must have known they would spread to the left at every opportunity.
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Latu came off injured in that game & the cowboys one. Like to think if he stays on we close those games out, because as soon as Heath replaced him both teams knew he couldn’t tackle. Heath needs to stay in cup
 
I reckon his kicking game in those last few rounds was valuable to the attacking options. He has got a good bomb in him which all squads need to be able to utilise at different times. Defensively also showed good physicality at the backend of the season and is definitely less exposed than outwide. Did enough back end of the season to get first crack imo.
 
wstigers11 said:
Latu came off injured in that game & the cowboys one. Like to think if he stays on we close those games out, because as soon as Heath replaced him both teams knew he couldn’t tackle. Heath needs to stay in cup
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I dont disagree with that.
Even given Latu going off after 57min Titans scored 3 tries while he was on and 3 after he left the field.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Keeping the roles simple but the location & commitment of the roles is 100% key.

Fundamentals are also important.

The challenge I have with our formation is the impact defensively. Because we don’t practice the setup and formations it then means we can’t defend it, as defensively we don’t train for it. It drives over commitment & over playing an individual hand.

The amount of times players over clock defensively or in attack forming congestion or looking lost that leads to opposition scoring / line break / easy field position was high - could pick it multiple times in most games. It impacts the scoreboard or even field positioning & workload.

Rugby League is actually a very simple game majority of time. We can do something different but we need to respect the fundamentals as well in doing so.
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Totally agree, especially with our defensive structures. In attack I am willing to take a little risk - doing what everone else does won't win a premiership. Cutting edge might just get us enough of an edge to do that - proabaly nto this year but potentially witing the next few.
 
Jolls said:
Totally agree, especially with our defensive structures. In attack I am willing to take a little risk - doing what everone else does won't win a premiership. Cutting edge might just get us enough of an edge to do that - proabaly nto this year but potentially witing the next few.
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Agree Jolls funnily enough I suggested a few days back with our attack that a balance of structured and eyes up was the go, but it was met with speculation.

It's too easy for opposition defenses after they have studied the video to shut down the same boring plays.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Have watched Latu alot before he joined and just not convinced he is a 7. His best position is where Luai plays as a left edge controller. He doesn’t have a great kicking game and isn’t a big organizer whilst also struggles to rove around the park. Latu is one heck of a talent, will only grow and is a game changer but not as convinced as others are on him at halfback.
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Once Latu is fit AD will stay at 7 , Latu will come off the bench as a rover and fill in and out of the half's ,in attack AD one side Latu the other and Jerome dancing side to side gets the other teams guessing ..All of them have got a nice little grubber kick for our wingers and centre's to clean up.
TRY.☝️🐯
 
Rock Hopper Steve said:
Agree Jolls funnily enough I suggested a few days back with our attack that a balance of structured and eyes up was the go, but it was met with speculation.

It's too easy for opposition defenses after they have studied the video to shut down the same boring plays.
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You are on the money; this is the only way unstructured players are effective. They know that somewhere there is someone to hit once they finsh fart-arsing about with the ball.
 
Jolls said:
You are on the money; this is the only way unstructured players are effective. They know that somewhere there is someone to hit once they finsh fart-arsing about with the ball.
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Possibly finish off the play with an in-house signal practised at training to provide an overlap/gap run, as long as it doesn't get lost under fatigue.

If you're reading this Benji hope you're flogging the boys.
 
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