Adam Hartigan

[innsaneink]

I'm being completely serious ...can someone from the NRL give the WT's 3 years to stop this crap or the WT's are gone

This club is beyond embarassing .....

How about you just go and let the rest of us get on with it?

How about you sit on my face and rotate ....

Are you sure you got this saying correct?

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Yeah I remember the school yard insults.... Up there with calling kids with glasses 'hey,... 4 eyes' ?

*takes me back... Valiant chargers... The girls singing Abba songs...Dallas...Artie...*

 

[Geo]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Former Happy Tiger

I've posted this probably 50 times on here

I was going to call me self Happy Rock ( Gladstone ) Tiger .....

I haven't been a Happy Tigers fans since we won 4 of our 1st five when we Melbourne twice ,Roosters and Warriors from memory .....

And again for the 100th time ...if you don't like what I post ..put me on foe .....my posts are to amuse me 1st call ....and if someone agrees or thinks it's funny ...yay if not ....I couldn't care less to be brutally honest ......sorry but while I have got the honesty boots on 3/4 posters in this place know very little about this game and what does and doesn't work on a footy field .........and many probably think the same about my ideas .....

RUOK?

 

[TCL]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Technically Patient Tiger

 

[JC99]

Would've been good to keep him in some capacity... clearly knows talent when he sees it out of the lower grades. Guess we will have to wait and see if Madge has better luck recruiting now! November 1st is go time lol

 

[The_Patriot]

Seems a lot of posters knew about the issues with Hartigan. Knew he wasnt all he was cracked up to be. Not sure why all those who have known about him didnt step up before all this and try to counter the hyped opinion of him on here. Guess they didnt want to be seen as going against the common opinion.

Nothing ive read has surprised me. He may have been a good bloke who many had good interactions with but ive never liked him and considered him a myth. Call it body language, call it tea leaves whatever.For sure and certain we will not be worse off with him leaving the club.

 

[TigerWest]

How good would it be if for once we were told the truth about why Hartigan is leaving. We all know this will not happen. So it is left to the pro-Hartigan brigade to tell us he was the greatest recruiter ever and the anti-Hartigan brigade to tell us he was arrogant and didn’t return emails or follow up interviews. As usual opinion is 50/50 and that’s ok it is a forum and you can say what you like. But how good would the real truth be and not the garbage that the Tele rap and other dribblers will spew for the next two weeks.

PS on a different subject Demps I was one of the doubters about Hodgson but although it may or may not happen it appears that you and others were close to the money with this one. For that I was wro I mean to say I was wro what I am trying to admit was that I was wro. Dammit the computer won’t let me type the word. Cheers anyway!

PPS

Maybe happy tiger could change his name to “ the artist formerly known as happy tiger”. It worked for Prince.

Why do you need to know the truth? Whatever happened was done in confidence, as it should be.

 

[tig_prmz]

I don't think I've ever seen Hartigan in a presser or an interview. No idea how he talks or looks.

It's good that there is one person in-charge. It's good to have a clear hierarchy. However, a bit worried with that person being Tim Sheens. He is extremely knowledgeable and experienced, but his overall track record of wins is shocking. He's had 3 successful phases in his 40 years- 2 with us and 1 with Raiders. Tim isn't a winner and we need winners.

That said I'm still quite hopeful. It actually seemed like the back office was struggling but they all seemed on the right track in terms of recruitment and retention. Let's hope that Tim coming here doesn't mean we start from scratch again...

 

[The_Patriot]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Former Happy Tiger

**....I couldn't care less to be brutally honest ......sorry but while I have got the honesty boots on 3/4 posters in this place know very little about this game and what does and doesn't work on a footy field .........**


Im happy to be one the 3/4's that know very little about the game.

Im really liking the structure and hierarchy the club is putting in place and i really like the direction and decisions the recruitment team seem to be making.

I see only improvement coming.

 

[twentyforty]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed? The handling of Sheens appointment was an indication the club is either incapable of honest open communication or is a jungle where survival depends on the size of your clique?

 

[TigerWest]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed? The handling of Sheens appointment was an indication the club is either incapable of honest open communication or is a jungle where survival depends on the size of your clique?

But something had to change? We can’t keep going along the same path, junior development might take years and it’s already been far too long.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed? The handling of Sheens appointment was an indication the club is either incapable of honest open communication or is a jungle where survival depends on the size of your clique?

But something had to change? We can’t keep going along the same path, junior development might take years and it’s already been far too long.

Oh but these are the results under Maguire.

 

[TigerWest]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed? The handling of Sheens appointment was an indication the club is either incapable of honest open communication or is a jungle where survival depends on the size of your clique?

But something had to change? We can’t keep going along the same path, junior development might take years and it’s already been far too long.

Oh but these are the results under Maguire.

I thought Madge reported to Hartigan and recruitment was all on Hartigan.

 

[twentyforty]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed? The handling of Sheens appointment was an indication the club is either incapable of honest open communication or is a jungle where survival depends on the size of your clique?

But something had to change? We can’t keep going along the same path, junior development might take years and it’s already been far too long.

I would agree, if the premise is that people are inflexible , not open to change and one dimensional. No, there’s something not right in the way that we focus on people being either a good or bad fit, rather than the methods used to achieve goals?

 

[PJ_]

It was an ambush

 

[twentyforty]

I don’t understand how sacking someone is going to miraculously transform the organisation?
Hartigan joined us with a great reputation for cap management, which gave hope to the masses, considering how badly we needed help in that area. If you judge his performance on that alone then he’s got us to a much improved position.
The sacking of a football GM is not something to celebrate imo, it means there’s been a failure of some kind. I’m left wondering what that is? How has the club failed? The handling of Sheens appointment was an indication the club is either incapable of honest open communication or is a jungle where survival depends on the size of your clique?

But something had to change? We can’t keep going along the same path, junior development might take years and it’s already been far too long.

Oh but these are the results under Maguire.

But are they? I put it to you that they couldn’t justify sacking Maguire because he wasn’t responsible or accountable for the failings? I see Nofa’s re-signing, how it played out publicly, as an indication that friction was developing.

 

[cochise]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Former Happy Tiger

I've posted this probably 50 times on here

I was going to call me self Happy Rock ( Gladstone ) Tiger .....

I haven't been a Happy Tigers fans since we won 4 of our 1st five when we Melbourne twice ,Roosters and Warriors from memory .....

And again for the 100th time ...if you don't like what I post ..put me on foe .....my posts are to amuse me 1st call ....and if someone agrees or thinks it's funny ...yay if not ....I couldn't care less to be brutally honest ......sorry but while I have got the honesty boots on 3/4 posters in this place know very little about this game and what does and doesn't work on a footy field .........and many probably think the same about my ideas .....

You are actually one of the people who's post I value on here mate, you have a very good knowledge of football and can even occasionally change my point of view.

 

[TigerTownSFS]

I get the sense Lee has done a good job here, getting the right senior managers in the football department.

Pascoe next.?

Or pascoe ok if he stays away from the football department.?

Or is pascoe

I don't see Sheens stooping down and reporting to Pacsoe. He'd want to be talking straight to and managing the board directly.

Given that Lee thinks that the chair and ceo don't have an impact on football, whether Lee says to Pascoe you just run the business side. Sheens you report to us on the football side

Sheens does in fact report directly to Pascoe

As he should, as does the CFO.
**I think the difference in having Sheens as the head of the football division is that being a senior He has enough cred to become the spokesperson for recruitment etc.**
Since the Broncos signed Ben Ikin I don’t think the CEO or Chairman has commented once regarding signings.

This club has been in a submissive position for a long time and it's about time we have someone bold enough to call the shots.
It's a funny club to follow as we all know that the club's board (and politics) has had more ascendancy over the direction of the club, than the football department or coaching heirarchy.
He may not have been able to successfully navigate through it as a coach during his tenure but his ability of developing a competitive culture at this club - down to our junior systems, is no small feat.
He also knows what it takes to build premiership winning teams.

The salary cap stuff and deteriorated relationship with the playing group was mentioned in part one of the Chammas article. It basically revealed management stuffed up and Tim took the fall.
I don't care about the past anymore as we've basically disintegrated in every way possible since we sacked him. No one seems genuine or is able to withstand or overcome our major problems.
He's not coming as our coach and may have spent some time away and I know footy knowledge alone won't turn the tide but I believe he'll serve as a great intermediary, given his own history with the club.

Don't think anyone is expecting miracles but moreso we're taking another (small) step in the right direction, and sometimes you have to go backwards in order to move forward.
I believe he won't stand for certain crap or lower any standards, as it seems many do when they come to the club. But will be helpful in many areas.

I 100% agree with this.

As a club we always had (political) problems but there was some genuine football knowledge and residual football culture from the heritage clubs. It wasn’t perfect but there was a muscle memory and we had an identity in that team from 2005-2010. Results faded and egos outgrew the place and the underlying problems that success had papered over returned. With the collapse of Balmain the management consultants came in and gutted the historical frameworks of the club. Maybe this was needed in part but it came at a cost. The next decade have been a revolving door of people who have no connection to the club, mercenaries who have not had the interests of the club at heart. Maybe if we had another 5 years under Hartigan we could have achieved some success and built and new identity but that’s a big maybe because we could have just as easily lost the quality young players we had recruited because we couldn’t show them that they could achieve success with us. Sheens is a return to the only period of success and identity that the merged entity has ever enjoyed. Hopefully we can keep some of the corporate professionalism that the club now enjoys off the field and merge it with the culture and identity on the field that we created over that first decade. Here’s hoping

 

[mike]

Happy tiger will now be referred to as Fed up tiger for the foreseeable future due to the club being shithouse

Former Happy Tiger

I've posted this probably 50 times on here

I was going to call me self Happy Rock ( Gladstone ) Tiger .....

I haven't been a Happy Tigers fans since we won 4 of our 1st five when we Melbourne twice ,Roosters and Warriors from memory .....

And again for the 100th time ...if you don't like what I post ..put me on foe .....my posts are to amuse me 1st call ....and if someone agrees or thinks it's funny ...yay if not ....I couldn't care less to be brutally honest ......sorry but while I have got the honesty boots on 3/4 posters in this place know very little about this game and what does and doesn't work on a footy field .........and many probably think the same about my ideas .....

I always look forward to your posts @happy_tiger . I don’t always agree with them but always appreciate your input and perspective on the game.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

 

[cochise]

I actually think Hartigan was a smart recruit when we got him and the fruits of his work needed time - it was never a quick win. He was one I wanted to stay around for a while.

With Sheens coming, having a GM of football as well was never going to work. Sheens is hands on, he was always going to bring in his flavor to our setup and Hartigan role was always going to reduce.

With another NRL team joining the fold our method of not paying overs and sticking to our principles 100% of the time just isn’t smart business.

I just hope Sheens doesn’t blow our budget, he does like to throw money at recruits and just hope in 2-3yrs we aren’t looking at a bunch of wasted $$$ on the sideline or has been players.

That is my worry too, I'll back Sheens as he is here now and in control, but he did stuff our Cap on multiple occasions while he was here the 1st time.